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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Buckinghamshire => Topic started by: carol46 on Tuesday 07 February 23 12:23 GMT (UK)
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Looking for the parents of John Ayris Aris or Ayres various ways of spelling. He married Elizabeth Timms. They had a daughter in 1845 Called Eliza in Bicester. She married a Felix Parker.
Thanks for any help.
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According to the Census he was born c1811 in Bicester.
I can only find one birth/baptism
John Ayres baptised Bicester 19 September 1811 parents William and Ann.
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Is there any information to suggest John's parents being Gypsies or Travellers?
The reason I say that is because there were members of the community using Ayres and also Parker and I notice carol46 has Boswell, another Traveller surname, in her surname list so just to try rule them out in this instance.
Other spellings of John's surname to look for include Eyres, Airs, Aires, Aries and Hare
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When Eliza married in 1880 she married as Aris.
She had an illegitimate son George in 1867 & his birth was registered as Aris
Felix Parker jnr b 1880 - mmn Aris
1851 - surname is Aris. Daughter Emma died 1855 aged 5 - surname Aris
Felix & Eliza were living together in 1871
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Hello
The family are under Arias on the censuses
John Arias 1811-2 April 1883 burial Bicester
Elizabeth 1813- 30 Jan 1897 burial Bicester
1891 51 Chapel St Bicester
Elizabeth Aris 79 Bicester widow
Emily granddaughter 20? washer woman born Bicester
1881 Ereskirkwell ? Bicester
John 70 ag labourer Bicester
Elizabeth 68
1871 20 Crockwell
John 61 ag lab
Elizabeth 58
James 23 son
Hannah 18
Elinor 14
1861
John 51, ag lab
Elizabeth 49 lace maker
Eliza 16
James 14
Hannah 7
Elinor 4
1851 Backway
John 40 ag lab
Elizabeth 36
George 15
Thomas 15
Mary Anne 12
Richard 10
Eliza 5
James 3
Emma 7 months
1841 Backway
John 30 y ,Elizabeth 25 y ,George 7 ,Thomas 5 Mary 3,Robert 10 mths
The couple married at Bicester 31.3.1834 .He signed she made a mark
Their grave is on https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/237115917/john-aris
As emeltom saya he was baptised 1811
Siblings -Elizabeth 6.3.1809,Sarah 21.11.1813,William 27 .3.1814-3.5.1814,Thomas and William 29.6.1817,Hannah 9.11.1818 ,George 4.3.1821 ,David 21.12.1823
In 1802 William had been apprenticed to a saddler William Sirett
1851 census at Backway Bicester
William Avis 65 pauper Blacksmith Marsh Gibbon Oxfordshire
Ann 70 wife Bicester
William Avis 32 ag lab Bicester
1841 The couple are there alone.
William bapt Marsh Gibbon 29.4.1787 s of John and Rebecca Aris
He seems to have died in Bicester 11 Feb 1859
William married Anne Tanner at Launton 12.11.1810 .This time the groom made a mark and the bride signed.
Anne for some reason is buried at Hethe 22.5.1853 age 73 years
Not finding her family. Sorry
John Arias of Marsh Gibbon married by licence Rebecca Howkins 11.10.1786 at Stoke Lyne
She makes it to the 1841 census at Marsh Gibbon
Edward Arias 40 farmer y
Martha 40 y
Rebecca 74 y pauper
Hope that helps
Ciderdrinker
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Hi, I have done a lot of research on this family (John Ayris and Elizabeth Timms were my 4 x great grandparents!).
John was indeed bapt. in Bicester in 1811 - his parents were William Ayris (a blacksmith) and Ann Tanner.
William was bapt. 1787 in Marsh Gibbon - son of John Ayris and Rebecca Hawkins. John must have died before 1812, as that is when his widow Rebecca married a man called John Cater/Cator. The 1841 census threw me off a little, as she is recorded as an Ayris, but it is definitely the same woman. Rebecca died in Marsh Gibbon in 1854 (I have her death cert).
Rebecca was probably bapt. 1767 in Marsh Gibbon - daughter of John Hawkins and Ann Lambourne, although I am still in the process of verifying this.
John may have been bapt. 1763 in Ludgershall, but I am uncertain. I contacted Bucks FHS in search of a burial record, but none exists. Some trees have him as being bapt. in Ambrosden, but this was a different John.
Going back to William Ayris - he died in Bicester in 1859. His wife Ann died in Bicester in 1853. She wasn't actually the same Ann that was buried in Hethe - I found her actual burial record by purchasing the full transcripts of Bicester Parish Registers (she was buried in Bicester).
Ann Tanner was bapt. 1781 in Bicester (her surname has been mistranscribed as 'Tenner'). Her parents were Edward Tanner and Mary Hicks. Following Mary Hicks' death, Edward remarried to a Mary Heritage.
I am happy to send you certificates and more info etc. if we are allowed to exchange email addresses?
Hope this helps! 😊 I also have two photos of Eliza Ayris (daughter of John Ayris and Elizabeth Timms) and various other photos and certificates connected to the family, if you're interested.