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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Montgomeryshire => Topic started by: alan w jones on Sunday 12 February 23 08:33 GMT (UK)
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Hello , a bit of a long shot again. We know by the marriage cert of Mary Jones in 1893 that her father is given as a publican , the marriage took place at Machynlleth . I wondered if the was a list of pubs with landlords names or similar so we can pinpoint him ?
Any ideas would be very welcome
Regards
Alan
ps his name was John Jones
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Historical Directories
Slater's Directory of North & Mid Wales 1895
John Jones, Red Lion P.H, Maengwyn Street, Machynlleth
However, checking the 1891 Census the Innkeeper is a John Williams. I haven't checked the 1901 Census.
What was Mary's address on the cert?
Historical Directories are free to check - https://specialcollections.le.ac.uk/digital/search/advanced
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Hello , I just checked for addresses on cert but both just gave Machynlleth , they married at Christ Church there .
Regards
Alan
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Lion hotel, Bluebell hotel, Red Lion Hotel, Unicorn Hotel, White Horse Hotel, Skinners Arms, Goat Inn,Glyndwr Hotel. Some of them
https://newspapers.library.wales/search?range%5Bmin%5D=1892&range%5Bmax%5D=1894&query=%22inn+machynlleth%22
John Jones of the Red Lion Inn
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Welshnewspapers online
https://newspapers.library.wales/view/3312460/3312461/5/
See col 3 "Machynlleth, Transfer of Licences"
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Welshnewspapers https://newspapers.library.wales/view/3316454/3316461/45/
See top col 4 - "Edward Jones, tenant of Red Lion Inn, Maengwyn Street ...". Haven't read in full but think Edward is John Jones' son?
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Checked for Edward at the "Red Lion" 1901 Census. Could only see an Edward Jones at the White Horse Hotel, Maengwyn St.
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Is Lizzie Jones who living at the inn in 1901 a daughter?? I note that an Elizabeth Jones was a witness in 1893 when Mary Jones married
Lizzie Jones Head 24 Barmaid manageress Darowen, Montgomeryshire
Ada Adaline Davies Servant 14 Servant domestic` Liverpool, Lancashire
Kay
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Thanks Kay , certainly a possibility
Regards
Alan
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There was an Elizabeth Jones, age 14, born in Darowen on the 1891 census, daughter of John and Elizabeth, but he was a district surveyor.
I see that Mary Humphreys, wife of Edward in 1901, was also born in Darowen.
In 1891, there was a Mary Jones, b 1868, visiting the Red Lion in Darowen. She was also the daughter of John, the surveyor, on the 1881 census.
David
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The reference to "surveyor" is interesting. I recall seeing John Jones, Red lion, being proposed for "surveyor" in a newspaper item about 1895? Will check again.
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It appeared in the Montgomery County Times & Shropshire & Mid Wales Advertiser, 7 Sep 1895
Two items, col 2, under "The Surveyor" and "Claim".
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The Welsh language "Y Negesydd, 10 Apr 1902" carries the report of the marriage at Aberhosan of Miss T C Jones, dau of Griffith Jones, Tygwyn and Richard Jones, son of John Jones, Surveyor, Machynlleth.
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https://newspapers.library.wales/view/3864870/3864875/36/
Funeral of John Hughes, Surveyor - col 1.
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I see that one of his daughters in the notice was Mrs Humphreys.
Also trees on Ancestry have John the surveyor as Mary's father.
David
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Thanks everyone , we have come a long way this morning. I didnt know there were any trees on Ancestry for John Jones . I would be interested to know his wife maiden name if possible ?
regards
Alan
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This is one of the trees on Anc that I think David may have been referring to
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01s3p/
Kay
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Hello Kay , I just looked at that tree and the 1871 census given on that does not mention " publican " like the one I found ?
Regards
Alan
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Hello , ignore last post , senior moment :)
Regards
Alan
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Hello , ignore last post , senior moment :)
Regards
Alan
I have many of them :)
Kay
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That is a different tree, but looks more reliable, and has the mother as Elizabeth Rowlands, although not all of the children seem to have been registered with that mmm.
Some more newspaper references:-
Montgomeryshire Echo 11 March 1893
"...a months notice to be given Mr John Jones, Surveyor to the Board, to terminate his engagement.."
Montgomeryshire Echo 14 October 1893
"SURVEYOR'S REPORT - The surveyor's (Mr John Jones) estimates for the month..."
Montgomeryshire Express 10 September 1895
mentions "John Jones, late surveyor of the highway board"
David
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Hello , do you think that John Jones was a publican/innkeeper and surveyor ?
Regards
Alan
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There is supposed to be a family link to Penegoes Mill at some time , nothing pointing that way yet though
Regards
Alan
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The 1881 Census has him as "Surveyor", the 1891 as "District Surveyor, the 1901 Census as "Farmer, Surveyor, Inspector Nuisances"
He entered the licensing trade in 1891 and when the vacancy occurred in 1895 as "Surveyor" he returned to his old trade? His son Edward and daughter Jane carried on in the licensing trade.
Daughter Mary's marriage coincided with his "dabbling" in the licensing trade?
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Ah , thank you , wonderfully explained , I thought we had two contenders for a minute
Regards
Alan
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John Jones, of Nantyfilldir, near Penegoes, took up his duties as district surveyor on 27 April 1874. His salary was £1 13s a week (Aberystwyth Observer, 25 Apr 1874)
His address on the 1871 Census is "Nantyddwyfilltir, occpn. farmer of 14 acres and carpenter".