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Hi,
I would be very grateful for any help in assisting my search for the parents of John Anthony Vickers born 19 March 1866 in Greenwich, Kent.
He was baptised on 27 May 1866. His parents were recorded as John Vickers a solicitors clerk and Caroline was his mother.
In 1871 John Anthony age 5 years is living with an uncle Alfred King a schoolmaster at Brereton School in Cheshire. By the census of 1881 John Anthony Vickers is still living with Alfred King at the school.
I cannot find any trace of his parents (limited access to Census) I believe they were married on 24 Sept 1865 in Paddington. Father of John being William Vickers a ‘coachman’ (no further info found on William at this stage)
Any help with this puzzle would be very welcome.
Thanks in advance
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VICKERS, JOHN ANTHONY
Mother's maiden surname: GRIMMETT
GRO Reference: 1866 J Quarter in GREENWICH Volume 01D Page 693
The father John was a parochial clerk when he married. Caroline's father was Anthony GRIMMETT.
Most census records are free to search on FamilySearch.
https://www.familysearch.org/search/
Debra :)
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VICKERS, JOHN ANTHONY
Mother's maiden surname: GRIMMETT
GRO Reference: 1866 J Quarter in GREENWICH Volume 01D Page 693
The father John was a parochial clerk when he married. Caroline's father was Anthony GRIMMETT.
Most census records are free to search on FamilySearch.
https://www.familysearch.org/search/
Debra :)
Thanks Debra, I’ve viewed Familysearch records but can’t seem to find John Anthony’s parents anywhere.. thanks
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Alfred William VICKERS bap 20 Jun 1868 St Alphege Greenwich
son of John VICKERS , solicitor's clerk, and Caroline of Greenwich
1871 census
Caroline VICKER 28 Head Wid b Oxfordshire
Alfred W VICKER 2 son b Greenwich
Eliza G VICKER 1 dau b Greenwich
RG10 22 58 21
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When John and Caroline married he was 24 and she was 23, so looking for births abt 1842 and 1843
possible in 1851
Piece number 1467, Folio 807, Page 52
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Alfred William VICKERS bap 20 Jun 1868 St Alphege Greenwich
son of John VICKERS , solicitor's clerk, and Caroline of Greenwich
1871 census
Caroline VICKER 28 Head Wid b Oxfordshire
Alfred W VICKER 2 son b Greenwich
Eliza G VICKER 1 dau b Greenwich
RG10 22 58 21
That’s great. So it looks like John has either died or left. That may explain why John Anthony was sent to live in Cheshire?.. yet his mother has two more children?..
Thank you
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Caroline was born before her mother married.
QUAINTON, CAROLINE
No mother's maiden surname
GRO Reference: 1842 D Quarter in WOODSTOCK UNION Volume 16 Page 143
Anthony GRIMMETT married Eliza QUAINTON in 1844 at Woodstock, Oxfordshire.
They are in Paddington in 1861
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7VJ-24Z
Debra :)
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A John Vickers death in Greenwich in 1870 aged 29
Greenwich 4Q 1870 1d 501
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Nov. 4, at his residence, Prior-street, Greenwich, Mr. John Vickers, aged 29, second son of William and Isabella Vickers, of 7, Cambridge-terrace, Hyde-park
Berkshire Chronicle 12 November 1870
London Evening Standard 9 November 1870
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A John Vickers died in Greenwich, Dec qtr 1870, aged 29.
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Nov. 4, at his residence, Prior-street, Greenwich, Mr. John Vickers, aged 29, second son of William and Isabella Vickers, of 7, Cambridge-terrace, Hyde-park
That’s great and may explain why John Anthony was sent to Cheshire for his education?.. Was it a sudden death I wonder for John. And a Hyde Park residence for his parents William and Isabella?.. not much info on them yet..
Many thanks for your help
Berkshire Chronicle 12 November 1870
London Evening Standard 9 November 1870
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baptism, Brixton on 29 Aug 1841, John Vickers s/o William and Isabella
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In 1851 the Vickers family are in Kensington
Piece number 1467, Folio 371, Page 38
William b Hertfordshire
Isabella b Scotland
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baptism, Brixton on 29 Aug 1841, John Vickers s/o William and Isabella
Thanks Lizzie. I wonder why John Anthony didn’t go and stay with William & Isabella when his father died?.. perhaps they had a large family. Don’t know much about them yet?..
Thank you
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In 1851 the Vickers family are in Kensington
Piece number 1467, Folio 371, Page 38
William b Hertfordshire
Isabella b Scotland
Very interesting. that scatters the family about!.. that information should be on Familysearch?
Many thanks
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A John Vickers died in Greenwich, Dec qtr 1870, aged 29.
Thanks for that information. I wonder if there was an inquest following his death?
Thank you
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The Vickers family were at 7 Cambridge Terrace in the 1861 and 1871 censuses. Lodging house keepers.
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In 1851 the Vickers family are in Kensington
Piece number 1467, Folio 371, Page 38
William b Hertfordshire
Isabella b Scotland
Very interesting. that scatters the family about!.. that information should be on Familysearch?
Many thanks
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SG55-VPJ
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The Vickers family were at 7 Cambridge Terrace in the 1861 and 1871 censuses. Lodging house keepers.
Is that William and Isabella?
Thank you
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The 2 other children, Alfred William 1867 & Eliza Isabel 1869 who appear in 1871 census were both born pre John's death. Both went on to marry
Alfred William 1889 to Marion Frances Copp
Eliza Isabel 1895 to Henry Joseph Webb
Both record father as John Vickers, occ Clerk
So both should appear somewhere in 1881?
John
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The 2 other children, Alfred William 1867 & Eliza Isabel 1869 who appear in 1871 census were both born pre John's death. Both went on to marry
Alfred William 1889 to Marion Frances Copp
Eliza Isabel 1895 to Henry Joseph Webb
Both record father as John Vickers, occ Clerk
So both should appear somewhere in 1881?
There's an Alfred Vickers, 13, born Greenwich, in the London Orphan Asylum in Watford in 1881
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For info.
Mary Ann Vickers minor married 25 Dec 1855 St James, Paddington, Westminster
Father: William Vickers, coachman
Spouse: Alfred King
Her address Cambridge Terrace
one of witnesses named Isabella Vickers
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Possibly Alfred William Vickers in 1881 census London Orphan Asylum
Piece 1439
Foloi 95
Page 22
John
Sorry shaun, no red box
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Can only find birth entry on GRO for Wm./Isabella's son Edward Thomas Vickers - mmn Forsyth.
So, William Vickers married Isabella Forsyth but can't find record of marriage.
Annette
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added John had already mentioned marriage
The 2 other children, Alfred William 1867 & Eliza Isabel 1869 who appear in 1871 census were both born pre John's death. Both went on to marry
Alfred William 1889 to Marion Frances Copp
Eliza Isabel 1895 to Henry Joseph Webb
Both record father as John Vickers, occ Clerk
So both should appear somewhere in 1881?
Eliza Isabel Vickers age 25 married 13 Apr 1895 Christ Church, Notting Hill, Kensington and Chelsea
Father: John Vickers, dec'd clerk
Spouse: Henry Joseph Webb
one of the witnesses named Alfred William Vickers
Caroline Vickers age 63 born Yarnton, Oxfordshire widow is living with her married daughter Eliza at 94 Edinburgh Rd, Walthamstow in 1911 (3 children born 3 alive)
1921
Caroline Vickers 1843 Yarnton, Oxfordshire Parish Walthamstow Reg. District West Ham
I think this might be her death entry
Caroline Vickers age 91 Jun 1935 West Ham Essex Volume: 4a Page: 286
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Can only find birth entry on GRO for Wm./Isabella's son Edward Thomas Vickers - mmn Forsyth.
So, William Vickers married Isabella Forsyth but can't find record of marriage.
Annette
Thanks very much for that information.
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added John had already mentioned marriage
The 2 other children, Alfred William 1867 & Eliza Isabel 1869 who appear in 1871 census were both born pre John's death. Both went on to marry
Alfred William 1889 to Marion Frances Copp
Eliza Isabel 1895 to Henry Joseph Webb
Both record father as John Vickers, occ Clerk
So both should appear somewhere in 1881?
Eliza Isabel Vickers age 25 married 13 Apr 1895 Christ Church, Notting Hill, Kensington and Chelsea
Father: John Vickers, dec'd clerk
Spouse: Henry Joseph Webb
one of the witnesses named Alfred William Vickers
Caroline Vickers age 63 born Yarnton, Oxfordshire widow is living with her married daughter Eliza at 94 Edinburgh Rd, Walthamstow in 1911 (3 children born 3 alive)
1921
Caroline Vickers 1843 Yarnton, Oxfordshire Parish Walthamstow Reg. District West Ham
I think this might be her death entry
Caroline Vickers age 91 Jun 1935 West Ham Essex Volume: 4a Page: 286
That’s great information, I’ll put all this into context.. Much appreciated
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Can only find birth entry on GRO for Wm./Isabella's son Edward Thomas Vickers - mmn Forsyth.
So, William Vickers married Isabella Forsyth but can't find record of marriage.
Annette
She was b Scotland so they might have married there. William was a coachman so could have travelled a lot
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Can only find birth entry on GRO for Wm./Isabella's son Edward Thomas Vickers - mmn Forsyth.
So, William Vickers married Isabella Forsyth but can't find record of marriage.
Annette
No not Scotland. i834 in St George hanover Square. Image on Ancestry
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Can only find birth entry on GRO for Wm./Isabella's son Edward Thomas Vickers - mmn Forsyth.
So, William Vickers married Isabella Forsyth but can't find record of marriage.
She was b Scotland so they might have married there. William was a coachman so could have travelled a lot
Apologies if this 1851 census has already been post
Albion Mews North, Paddington, Kensington, London & Middlesex
William Vickers 1809 Coachman Hardham, Hertfordshire
Isabella Vickers 1811 Scotland
Mary Ann Vickers 1836 Brixton, Surrey
Isabella Vickers 1838 Brixton, Surrey
William Vickers 1840 Brixton, Surrey
John Vickers Son 1842 Brixton, Surrey
Elenor Jane Vickers 1844 Brixton, Surrey
Edward Thos Vickers 1846 Brixton, Surrey
If Mary Ann was their first child you could be looking for a marriage around c1835
posting whilst red writing - well found LizzieL :) I didn't spot that on Ancestry
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See my above post 1834 St Geo Hanover sq
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On his marriage record William signs his name Vickess and there is a baptism in Little Hadham Herts of a William Vickess born 18 Aug 1809 bapt 27 Aug 1809, parents william and Ann. Age and place match with 1851 census
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Alfred William Vickers, with wife Marion and children Gladys & Ernest William entered Niagra Falls 25.10.1906. Son Henry Baden Vickers born 1900 died 1901.
Alfred died 1963 Ontario
Marion died 1917 Ontario
Ernest William died 1973 Florida.
John
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On his marriage record William signs his name Vickess and there is a baptism in Little Hadham Herts of a William Vickess born 18 Aug 1809 bapt 27 Aug 1809, parents william and Ann. Age and place match with 1851 census
William Vickess m Ann Mott 26 Oct 1805 at Lt Hadham.
How many generations back shall we go? ;D
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On his marriage record William signs his name Vickess and there is a baptism in Little Hadham Herts of a William Vickess born 18 Aug 1809 bapt 27 Aug 1809, parents william and Ann. Age and place match with 1851 census
William Vickess m Ann Mott 26 Oct 1805 at Lt Hadham.
How many generations back shall we go? ;D
Well done finding both marriages :) - just adding the marriage date & source for Jayhen6
20 Apr 1834 St George, Hanover Square, London, Westminster
Westminster, London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1935
Added - same source
Banns 30th Mar 1834
Wm Vickess Isabella Forsyth} Bond Street
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For info.
Mary Ann Vickers minor married 25 Dec 1855 St James, Paddington, Westminster
Father: William Vickers, coachman
Spouse: Alfred King
Her address Cambridge Terrace
one of witnesses named Isabella Vickers
That information fits nicely as John Anthony Vickers is living with Alfred King & Mary Ann in 1871 & 181
Thank you once again
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William and Ann's marriage has one witness who looks like Milley Vickess. Might be sister.A Millie Vickess married in 1811 to William Goodson in Lt hadham
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Caroline and Eliza are at 70 Southam Street, Kensington in the 1881 census. Transcribed as Viskers on Ancestry, FindMyPast, and TheGenealogist.
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In 1891 Caroline and Eliza are at 8 Inverness Terrace, Paddington, and there is a niece with them: Mabel J Grimatt, age 16 born Bermondsey.
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Have we got William/Isabella in 1871, on An* as Virkus. Isabella aged 65, possible death
sq 1871 Vickers Isabella 65 Kensington 1a 33
John
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Have we got William/Isabella in 1871, on An* as Virkus. Isabella aged 65, possible death
sq 1871 Vickers Isabella 65 Kensington 1a 33
Isabella Vickers age 65
address 7 Cambridge Terrace Hyde Park
Burial 10 Jul 1871 All Souls, Kensal Green, Kensington and Chelsea
added - Isabella was at that address 1861 with her children John, Isabella, Jane & Edward
Shaun posted this earlier
The Vickers family were at 7 Cambridge Terrace in the 1861 and 1871 censuses. Lodging house keepers.
Edit to add - 1871 census
7 Cambridge Terrace, Paddington, Kensington, London & Middlesex
William Vickers Head 1806 Hertfordshire, lodging house keeper
Isabella Vickers Wife 1806 Scotland
Elener J Vickers Daughter 1844 Surrey
Caroline Vickers Head 'W' 1843 Oxfordshire
Alfred W Vickers Son 2 1869 - Kent
Eliza J Vickers Daughter 1 1870 Kent
1 servant
VICKESS, ELENOR JANE mmn FORSYTH
GRO Reference: 1843 S Quarter in LAMBETH Volume 04 Page 203
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Info only.
VICKESS, ISABELLA mmn FORSYTH
GRO Reference: 1838 M Quarter in LAMBETH Volume 04 Page 216
John
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Info only.
VICKESS, ISABELLA mmn FORSYTH
GRO Reference: 1838 M Quarter in LAMBETH Volume 04 Page 216
This might be her marriage
27 Aug 1861 St James, Paddington, Westminster,
Isabella Vickers f/a, Sussex Terrace
father William occ Lodging House Keeper
William Davison f/a, accountant
father William Stanley Davison, bookmaker
On 1861 census Isabella Vickers pob Dulwich
1871 census
Piece: 6
Folio: 21
Page number: 33
William Davison40 Head
Isabella Davison 33 Wife Dulwich
Isabella F Davison 8 Daughter
Alfred W Davison 5 Son
Elina I Davison 4 Daughter
Infant Son Unbaptized 1 mth
Esther Davis 50 Visitor
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A John Vickers death in Greenwich in 1870 aged 29
Greenwich 4Q 1870 1d 501
Nov. 4, at his residence, Prior-street, Greenwich, Mr. John Vickers, aged 29, second son of William and Isabella Vickers, of 7, Cambridge-terrace, Hyde-park
Berkshire Chronicle 12 November 1870
London Evening Standard 9 November 1870
Not sure if details of his burial were posted - apologies if it was and I missed it.....but just in case
John Vickers Age: 29, abode Prior Street
Burial 9 Nov 1870 All Souls, Kensal Green, Kensington and Chelsea
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Again info only
VICKESS, JOHN FORSYTH
GRO Reference: 1841 S Quarter in LAMBETH Volume 04 Page 196
VICKESS, WILLIAM FORSYTH
GRO Reference: 1840 M Quarter in LAMBETH Volume 04 Page 189
John
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Has a death been found for Isabella's husband William Vickers/Vickess?
Not found a burial entry at All Souls, Kensal Green, Kensington and Chelsea
I wonder if this might be his death entry :-\
William Vickers Age: 73
Jun 1880 Lambeth 1d Page: 220
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William & Isabella's Daughter Eleanor Jane on 1901/1911/21 census in Eastbourne Sussex.
Death
VICKERS, ELEANOR JANE 85
GRO Reference: 1929 M Quarter in EASTBOURNE Volume 02B Page 179
John
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Alfred William Vickers, with wife Marion and children Gladys & Ernest William entered Niagra Falls 25.10.1906. Son Henry Baden Vickers born 1900 died 1901.
Alfred died 1963 Ontario
Marion died 1917 Ontario
Ernest William died 1973 Florida.
John
Many thanks for this information.
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See my above post 1834 St Geo Hanover sq
I can’t access those details. Looking on Familysearch
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See my above post 1834 St Geo Hanover sq
I can’t access those details. Looking on Familysearch
I think that one is only on Ancestry
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See my above post 1834 St Geo Hanover sq
I can’t access those details. Looking on Familysearch
I think that one is only on Ancestry
It's also on Find My Past.
Annette
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Many thanks to everyone for your research and assistance. It is much appreciated. I’m still wondering if there was an inquest into the sudden death of John Vickers in 1870 age 29.
Thank you all once again.
John
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I’m still wondering if there was an inquest into the sudden death of John Vickers in 1870 age 29.
Who said it was sudden?
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I’m still wondering if there was an inquest into the sudden death of John Vickers in 1870 age 29.
Who said it was sudden?
My sincere apologies, I’ll rephrase that as an early death at 29 years.
Thank you