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Is it possible, on some site or other, to look up people with exact dates of birth?
On Ancestry you can put in the exact date, but it only gives results for the actual year.
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No there is no such site
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You can search exact date of birth in the 1939 register on Findmypast.
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On FindMyPast you can do a lot of searching for free. On the 1939 Register you can put in a full or partial date of birth. Not all dates recorded are the correct dates but many are. You can add and remove other information to see if it is correct, also on the 1921 Census. For example on the 1939 Register I know my Granny has the correct date of birth so just now I filled in
birth year +/- 0 years, birthday, Location in 1939, sex and marital status and got 12 results including Granny. It also gives you the address.
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I know the 1939 Register search
But this person wants to find where the person was Born and Registered by using the Birth Date
I am sure someone asked the same question only a few days ago.
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I know the 1939 Register search
But this person wants to find where the person was Born and Registered by using the Birth Date
I am sure someone asked the same question only a few days ago.
The poster asked about looking up a person in the 1939 register using the birthdate, I see no mention of them wanting to know where the person was born and (presumably) their 'birth' was registered.
so the answers JenB and Comberton gave are correct.
Boo
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I know the 1939 Register search
But this person wants to find where the person was Born and Registered by using the Birth Date
Please read the subject line of the thread which specifically refers to the 1939 register.
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On Ancestry you can put in the exact date, but it only gives results for the actual year.
If you search the register on Ancestry using the exact date of birth and there are no results then you will get whatever the closest matches are which should be people with a similar name born in the same month/year. I am not sure if that is what you are asking about.
Debra :)
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I know the 1939 Register search
But this person wants to find where the person was Born and Registered by using the Birth Date
Please read the subject line of the thread which specifically refers to the 1939 register.
I Read the Question it Asked
Not the Heading
It was Asking about Some Site or Other Sites
Strange How we All Read the Same Question- Differently
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Thank you JenB, Comberton and Dundee.
I am struggling to find where to enter the full date of birth on FindmyPast.
My person is Alice Maud Rowland b 10 Feb 1887.
She was my great grandmother’s sister. I am trying to work out if she ever got married and when she died. She lived in the Tunbridge Wells area after being fostered by a family in Mayfield. I have all the info on the first few years of her life in Southwark until she relocated to Sussex but after 1911 I just can’t place her. I know she was around as I also managed to trace my great grandmother’s two brothers who moved to the US in about 1915 and I made contact with their descendants, some of whom sent me a photo of Alice aged about 40-50. Unfortunately none of them know if she ever married either or when she died!
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Alamo2008
I was hoping to narrow down my search in someway by being able to put in her exact date of birth.
On Ancestry, it gives you the option to enter that info, but then the reasukts come back for the whole year.
So I was putting in Alice Rowland 10 Feb 1887, but had a hundreds of results from 1887, not just February. I just went through all of them…pretty lengthy job
I know everything about this lady, just trying to find her in 1939 is proving difficult. So I thought that maybe she is married…so putting in just Alice 10Feb 1887, without a surname, then adding Kent or Sussex might help…and I had a few thousand to look through! 😬 That’s why I was hoping I could get a better result with less of the wading through all those Alices!
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Alamo2008
I am trying to find her on the 1939 register
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On FindMyPast, go to the 1939 search page itself and you can enter the exact birth date.
https://search.findmypast.co.uk/search-world-Records/1939-register
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You can also enter a DoB on FreeBMD (https://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl) for deaths from 1969 Q2.
Enter the DoB date (eg 10/02/1887) in the "Death age/DoB" field and check the "Match only recorded ages/DoB" option. FrreBMD's help page (https://www.freebmd.org.uk/search-help.shtml) has more info on using the DoB search field, and the supported date formats.
The results will include some non-exact DoB dates (eg About1887), where the person's exact DoB probably wasn't known but it can still narrow the results a lot.
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I think she must have entered a different date and/or name.
Add - have you checked for a marriage?
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Be aware that birth dates on the 1939 Register are not always correct. I have come across several where the date in the Register does not match the birth certificate.
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Be aware that birth dates on the 1939 Register are not always correct. I have come across several where the date in the Register does not match the birth certificate.
I have found loads where the date is wrong compared to the birth certificate: some are right day and month but wrong year, others a few days out, and a few are quite different (though definitely the person i want).
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Cheers Jebber and Deirdre784
at Last someone who agrees with me about 1939 Register Birth Dates Accuracy
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There is an Alice Maud record with that date of birth on the 1939 register..... Alice Maud Hill (married to Joseph). Also one other but she's single. Several Alice M records too.
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Have you tried Rowlands as well? Or Maud Alice, or just Maud or Alice. Name variations / spellings are common, and people who change their Christian names are a nightmare :(
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No marriage to Joseph Hill found.
Re dates on the 1939 - my father subtract 2 years and 1 day from his birth date.I'm not sure why as he knew his DofB !
Add - Deidre - I used * in various places for surname
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No marriage to Joseph Hill found.
Re dates on the 1939 - my father subtract 2 years and 1 day from his birth date.I'm not sure why as he knew his DofB !
Deidre - I used * in various places
Agreed, i just did a few marriage checks and for the son on freeBMD (as the GRO site still seems to be down :()
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Has anyone checked for deaths or is Nellie sure that she was alive then? I've only done a skim read of the thread.
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Has anyone checked for deaths or is Nellie sure that she was alive then? I've only done a skim read of the thread.
not one with same names and recorded DoB on freeBMD, but of course she might have died before actual dates were included
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Has anyone checked for deaths or is Nellie sure that she was alive then? I've only done a skim read of the thread.
last known in a photo aged 40-50
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Gadget…what Deirdre784 says is correct.
Her brothers from the US visited in 1955 and she is a photograph with one of them outside her house in Tunbridge Wells and with my great grandparents and her brother on the sea front somewhere!
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There's an odd entry on a passenger list
Minnedosa, leaving Liverpool 18 March 1921
Destination St John, New Brunswich, Canada
Alice Rowland, aged 34 (dob circa 1887) but recorded as a labourer
The transcript classifies her/he as a male but no indication of gender on the actual listing.
It would be good to see the photo. The photo board shows many ? age errors over the years.
Nellie - just seen the pic. will have a look - first glance is that she could be younger.
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Deirdre and Jebber re inaccuracy of birth dates on 1939 register….I was hoping that I might find her that way. I have tried all permutations of her name and with and without Rowland and also all the Alice Rowland marriages and married name in Sussex and Kent from 1911 to 1939
Argghhh….I don’t think I will ever find her then!
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Are you sure she was still in Tunbridge Wells when the photo was taken (you say outside her home). Electoral registers might help if you can track down her address.
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Gadget
I am placing it at 1955(ish) as there is a picture of the brother with his daughter in Brighton and his grandson who was born in 1953. George is wearing the same hat and coat as in the previous picture
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Are you sure she was still in Tunbridge Wells when the photo was taken (you say outside her home). Electoral registers might help if you can track down her address.
This was in the back of the photo
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I tried to bring up her hand in the first pic using some of my photoshop rountines . There could be a ring but it pixelates, so not sure :-\
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amazing number of Alice Maud's in Tunbridge Wells - tried looking at the papers! No Rowland(s) but a number of others (seeking claims on an estate etc)
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I tried to bring up her hand in the first pic using some of my photoshop rountines . There could be a ring but it pixelates, so not sure :-\
Brilliant idea. I have just messaged the cousin in the States that sent me the picture. She’llhave to get out her magnifying glass
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amazing number of Alice Maud's in Tunbridge Wells - tried looking at the papers! No Rowland(s) but a number of others (seeking claims on an estate etc)
I am going to have to pay up for Find My Past aren’t I? There’s just so much on there that I am missing out on!
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I tried to bring up her hand in the first pic using some of my photoshop rountines . There could be a ring but it pixelates, so not sure :-\
Brilliant idea. I have just messaged the cousin in the States that sent me the picture. She’llhave to get out her magnifying glass
Could you ask her to do a really large scan - lots of pixels and send.
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I tried to bring up her hand in the first pic using some of my photoshop rountines . There could be a ring but it pixelates, so not sure :-\
I'm pretty sure her ring finger is tucked away behind the handle of the pram and what we're seeing is part of the plant behind. Compare her grip with the right hand. In any case, even if we can see her finger, the lightish blob doesn't look like a wedding ring, more like some round stone on a ring setting or a signet ring.
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Andy J2022
It’s an early picture we are discussing
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Yes, it was the first picture.
Nellie - I see that there's a photo of a wedding party - attached to her name in some of the trees. Which one is she. There is one child and many ladies in white dresses - Edwardian period, maybe.
I think I've exhausted the two sites that I tend to use - and Kent/East Sussex!
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Just realised i'm confused :(
Nellie - you said Alice's date of birth was 10 Feb 1887, and you had a photo of her around 40-50 - but the one you posted was taken in 1954, so was she actually 66-67 by then? Or am I missing something?
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Can you give names of Alice Maud s parents and brothers please
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Just realised i'm confused :(
Nellie - you said Alice's date of birth was 10 Feb 1887, and you had a photo of her around 40-50 - but the one you posted was taken in 1954, so was she actually 66-67 by then? Or am I missing something?
It’s me Deirdre….I am sure I am ADHD and sometimes I get all excited about something and don’t really check what I have written before I post it…sorry
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Yes, it was the first picture.
Nellie - I see that there's a photo of a wedding party - attached to her name in some of the trees. Which one is she. There is one child and many ladies in white dresses - Edwardian period, maybe.
I think I've exhausted the two sites that I tend to use - and Kent/East Sussex!
Alice is the 2nd in the left, next to her brother George, who is on the end of the row. The old chap is Edward Stride and next to him, his wife Sarah. This is the couple that fostered all 4 children when their parents died. The man with the bowler hat is Thomas Colgate, the groom to the bride, Kate Stride, daughter of Edward and Sarah. The girl next to Kate is my great grandmother Margaret Helen Rowland. Then comes her brother, William Rowland and the chap with the boater is, I think, Kate Stride’s brother, Albert. I haven’t worked out, yet, who the baby might be!
The wedding was July 1906, not 1900
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Can you give names of Alice Maud s parents and brothers please
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Her parents were William John Rowland b1860 and Margaret Ellen Emmett b1857
Siblings were George Edward b1892, William George b1889 and Margaret Helen (my gt granny) b1884
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Thank you for looking Gadget x
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Nellie, there is an entry for a William Rowland, aged 65 (born c.1889) arriving into Southampton from New York on 17 Aug 1954.
He gave the address in the UK as 2 Western Road, Tunbridge Wells, Kent. If this is the right brother William, could this have been Alice Maud's address?
Monica
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Nellie, there is an entry 8 for a William Rowland, aged 65 (born c.1889) arriving into Southampton from New York on 17 Aug 1954.
He gave the address in the UK as 2 Western Road, Tunbridge Wells, Kent. If this is the right brother William, could this have been Alice Maud's address?
Monica
That’s him…thank you MonicaL…you total,star 8)
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:P Must be him! Brother George on the same crossing on the following line.
George, aged 62 and a janitor, gave a different address at this time, 19 Lennox Road, Hove Sussex.
Monica
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Sorry, deleted.
Double posted your post. Fingers and thumbs me!
Monica
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:P Must be him! Brother George on the same crossing on the following line.
George, aged 62 and a janitor, gave a different address at this time, 19 Lennox Road, Hove Sussex.
Monica
Yes, George probably stayed with his daughter, Alice, married to Kenneth Tate
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Well, we now have the address for 1954…thank you MonicaL
Here’s a google street view of the house today, compared to the original photo.
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Brill i had been searching for an address but not found one in the electoral registers
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Brill i had been searching for an address but not found one in the electoral registers
Thank you for looking Deirdre x
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So I have found Alice M and Herbert Cuthbert at 2 Western Road, Tunbridge Wells in the 1939 Register. Year of birth is a couple if years out, but it looks promising
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Thank you everyone. I now know she was married and died in 1958 ;D
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Only problem now, is finding a marriage for Alice Maud Rowlabd and Herbert Cuthbert. It’s not looking very promising ::)
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When you mentioned the name Herbert C, I looked also for a marriage and failed to find it. Can't see children from the union either (searching with both surnames).
Monica
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:-\ Sad end to Alice's life.
From the Kent & Sussex Courier, 1 August 1958:
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Not helped by Ancestry transcribing them as Buthbert in 1939!
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Only problem now, is finding a marriage for Alice Maud Rowlabd and Herbert Cuthbert. It’s not looking very promising ::)
Yes, i saw that 1939 register this afternoon but couldn’t find a marriage. Of course, maybe Alice was previously married so wouldn’t have been Rowland then
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:-\ Sad end to Alice's life.
From the Kent & Sussex Courier, 1 August 1958:
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I've been looking for a Cuthbert marrying an Alice but none of the few that came up seem likely. I gave a wide date range because they might have married after the 1939. This happened to an Uncle of mine because his common law wife was already married so they waited until her husband had died.
Are you gong to obtain the death cert, Nellie?
Ref - if you've not got it:
Alice M Cuthbert, Sep Q, Tonbridge, 5b, 808
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I've been looking for a Cuthbert marrying an Alice but none of the few that came up seem likely. I gave a wide date range because they might have married after the 1939. This happened to an Uncle of mine because his common law wife was already married so they waited until her husband had died.
Are you gong to obtain the death cert, Nellie?
Ref - if you've not got it:
Alice M Cuthbert, Sep Q, Tonbridge, 5b, 808
Yes, I will now I have a date Gadget
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Found them in Canterbury in 1921, boarders, but already listed as married.
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Found them in Canterbury in 1921, boarders, but already listed as married.
Thankyou Deirdre.
I was going to the library today to look at that, as I don’t have Find my Past membership. So that’s useful.
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Herbert was with his parents and brother at 2 Western Rd in 1891, 1901 and 1911
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Deirdre…the only thing lissing is a marriage date,and there’s nothing…anywhere. I am going to send off for her desth cert today.
At least I finally know that she was married!
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Herbert was Herbert William Cuthbert, mother Theobald, registered Sep 1885, brother Percy Frederick, Jun 1888, both in Tonbridge / Tunbridge.
Added: baptised at Holy Trinity, Tunbridge Wells, on 29 Nov 1885, son of William, labourer, and Louisa. Of 17 Dukes Rd
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Herbert was Herbert William Cuthbert, mother Theobald, registered Sep 1885, brother Percy Frederick, Jun 1888, both in Tonbridge / Tunbridge.
Added: baptised at Holy Trinity, Tunbridge Wells, on 29 Nov 1885, son of William, labourer, and Louisa. Of 17 Dukes Rd
Aw, bless you Deirdre…I have ensnared you haven’t I 😂
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I have searched everywhere…even down to Herberts marrying Alices…nothing. Maybe they neverbgot married, but atnleast I know what happened to her now. Iam pretty much sure that the oral family history doesn’t mention children.
Thank you all for you assistance. I couldn’t have got where I have without you! X
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Maybe the death certificate will give a clue 🤔 do update us when you get it.
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Maybe the death certificate will give a clue 🤔 do update us when you get it.
I will do…🤞🏻
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You can search exact date of birth in the 1939 register on Findmypast.
Thanks for this answer, Ive often been annoyed you cant do this on Ancestry and have just spent 'a while' searching with a first name and birth year as I have the dob and got to about page 3 of over a thousand names before I decided to look for an answer here....
This did work to a degree but one of the two that a had found the hardway were not on the FindMyPast list of 16, so it is not conclusive.
Wish Ancestry would spend time on worthwhile additions to their site instead of the rubbish they have added recently...imo.
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But be wary that 1939 dates are often a year out
People knew their birth dates but sometimes grew up thinking they were a year younger or older or previously had altered years to be eligible to enter army or certain schools
People often take 1939 date as most accurate because it includes month and day but baptisms are often more accurate
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Agreed believe the Priest
Not the 1939 Register transcription
Nor even the Birth Certificate with Date declared to Registrar
I have Several Relatives where the Birth Certificate date is weeks after the Priest Recorded their Baptism weeks earlier