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Title: place in Cumberland
Post by: nursey dumpling on Sunday 19 March 23 23:10 GMT (UK)
I have an ancestor listed in the 1921 census having been born in Arlean Hill, Cumberland but can't find where this is place is, can anyone help. She was born in 1873.
Title: Re: place in Cumberland
Post by: middlesbrough on Sunday 19 March 23 23:24 GMT (UK)
Can't find Arleon but there is a place called Arlecdon Hill?
Title: Re: place in Cumberland
Post by: Cas (stallc) on Sunday 19 March 23 23:35 GMT (UK)
It reads Arlean Hill?

Added: sorry I see you need to identify place on a map

Cas
Title: Re: place in Cumberland
Post by: Cas (stallc) on Sunday 19 March 23 23:56 GMT (UK)
Do you have her in any other census to narrow birthplace or area in Cumberland?

Cas
Title: Re: place in Cumberland
Post by: nursey dumpling on Monday 20 March 23 20:30 GMT (UK)
Apart from her death in Hartlepool this is the only information we have.
Title: Re: place in Cumberland
Post by: Cas (stallc) on Monday 20 March 23 20:34 GMT (UK)
Apart from her death in Hartlepool this is the only information we have.

A name would help, if you would like others to look. Did she marry? All info can sometimes help.

Cas
Title: Re: place in Cumberland
Post by: softly softly on Monday 20 March 23 20:58 GMT (UK)
Even her place of birth does not help from birth record.

EDMUONDS, MARY  ELLEN     EGGINGTON        (Should read Edmonds/Edmunds)
GRO Reference: 1871  J Quarter in DURHAM  Volume 10A  Page 400

Is this the death you have

Deaths Mar 1934   
Harland    Mary E    61    Hartlepool    10a   152


John
Title: Re: place in Cumberland
Post by: Cas (stallc) on Monday 20 March 23 21:18 GMT (UK)
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Title: Re: place in Cumberland
Post by: nursey dumpling on Monday 20 March 23 22:21 GMT (UK)
Thank you for the information, yes this is the death information I have.You have given me some positive leads to base further investigation.
Mary (Ellen/Eleanor) and Henry Harland were my father's adoptive parents but both died when he was in his teens. Apart from the 1921 census, both death certificates and that it was believed that Mary originated from Cumberland I had nothing to base my search.
Regards Glenda.
Title: Re: place in Cumberland
Post by: softly softly on Monday 20 March 23 22:46 GMT (UK)
Glenda, something does not feel right. Records show that Mary Ellen Edmonds married William Christopher Harland in 1893 Durham. They appear in 1911 with 4 children.

However it would appear that Mary Ellen died in 1913 as below

HARLAND, MARY  ELLEN     died aged 42  = 1871 as per birth of Mary Ellen Edmonds
GRO Reference: 1913  S Quarter in HARTLEPOOL  Volume 10A  Page 137

William Christopher Harland then remarries Ann D Stothart in 1914.

5 Harland/Stothart chijdren born between  1916=1924

William and Ann are together  on the 1939 war register.

This begs the question. Who is the Mary Harland born 1873 Cumberland on the 1921 census.

The Mary who died in 1934 was as below

HARLAND, MARY  ELEANOR     aged 61  = 1873
GRO Reference: 1934  M Quarter in HARTLEPOOL  Volume 10A  Page 152

Will look further tomorrow unless other's can find an answer

John
Title: Re: place in Cumberland
Post by: Ladyhawk on Monday 20 March 23 23:19 GMT (UK)
Could this be Mary in 1911?

Mary Green age 40
Birth Place:   Arlecdon Hill, Cumberland
Street Address:   Victoria Cottage Hospital Maryport
Marital status:   Married
Occupation:   Housemaid

Possible marriage entry

Mar 1918   
Green    Mary    Harland    Hartlepool    10a   239    
Harland    Henry    Green    Hartlepool    10a   239   

EDIT to add
   
Henry Harland
Marriage   11 Mar 1918 St. Paul, Hartlepool
Spouse:   Mary Green
England, Select Marriages, 1538-1973
No further details you would need to obtain the m/c to check fathers names occupation etc......
Title: Re: place in Cumberland
Post by: softly softly on Monday 20 March 23 23:21 GMT (UK)
Youv'e done it again to me.   ;D

John
Title: Re: place in Cumberland
Post by: softly softly on Monday 20 March 23 23:34 GMT (UK)
Possibly

SHIELDS, MARY  ELLEN     FITZSIMMONS 
GRO Reference: 1872  J Quarter in WHITEHAVEN  Volume 10B  Page 587

Reg district covers Arlecdon



Marriages Dec 1899 

GREEN    Thomas        Cockermouth    10b   1051     Scan available - click to view
SHIELD    Mary Ellen        Cockermouth    10b   105

1901 census

Piece:   4887
Folio:   33
Page number:   5
Household schedule number:   32
Household Members (Name)   Age   Relationship
Thomas Green
41   Head
Mary E Green   28   Wife

John
Title: Re: place in Cumberland
Post by: Ladyhawk on Monday 20 March 23 23:50 GMT (UK)
Here we go

SHIELDS, MARY  ELLEN     FITZSIMMONS 
GRO Reference: 1872  J Quarter in WHITEHAVEN  Volume 10B  Page 587

Reg district covers Arlecdon



Marriages Dec 1899 

GREEN    Thomas        Cockermouth    10b   1051     Scan available - click to view
SHIELD    Mary Ellen        Cockermouth    10b   105

1901 census

Piece:   4887
Folio:   33
Page number:   5
Household schedule number:   32
Household Members (Name)   Age   Relationship
Thomas Green
41   Head
Mary E Green   28   Wife

John

 :) Was looking at the same census and wondered if she maybe the same person
Title: Re: place in Cumberland
Post by: softly softly on Tuesday 21 March 23 08:23 GMT (UK)
Following my last post, a tree on Ancestry tells a very different story for Mary Ellen Shields!

John
Title: Re: place in Cumberland
Post by: Ladyhawk on Tuesday 21 March 23 16:20 GMT (UK)


Is this the death you have

Deaths Mar 1934   
Harland    Mary E    61    Hartlepool    10a   152


Thank you for the information, yes this is the death information I have.You have given me some positive leads to base further investigation.

Mary (Ellen/Eleanor) and Henry Harland were my father's adoptive parents but both died when he was in his teens.

Apart from the 1921 census, both death certificates and that it was believed that Mary originated from Cumberland I had nothing to base my search.


Possible marriage entry

Mar 1918   
Green    Mary    Harland    Hartlepool    10a   239    
Harland    Henry    Green    Hartlepool    10a   239   


For info. this looks to relate the details posted above from Durham online  https://www.durhamrecordsonline.com/NewSearch.php

Marriages   Hartlepool   1918   Henry Harland   abt 1863   Abode 13 Stephen St.
Marriages   Hartlepool   1918   Mary   Green   abt 1874   Abode Cameron Hospital

Cemetery Registers   Hartlepool   1931   Henry Harland   abt 1864   Abode Stephen Street
Cemetery Registers   Hartlepool   1934   Mary Ellen Harland abt 1873 Abode 13 Stephen Street

It says if you want to see any of the records, you will need to set up an account, log in, and purchase access to records, Marriages cost £3.00, Cemetery Registers cost £1.50)

Living on her own at 13 Stephenson Street Hartlepool in 1911 was widow Alice Harland
born c 1834 - perhaps she’s a relative of Henry’s

Cemetery Registers   Hartlepool   1918   Alice Harlandabt 1833 Abode Stephen Street
Title: Re: place in Cumberland
Post by: hanes teulu on Tuesday 21 March 23 17:07 GMT (UK)
Hartlepool Northern Daily Mail, 29 Mar 1934
HARLAND - On the 28th of March, at Howbeck Infirmary, Mary Ellen, aged 61, dearly beloved wife of the late Henry Harland - Cortege leaves 13 Stephen Street on Saturday, at 2.30 p.m. for service in Salvation Army Citadel.,
Title: Re: place in Cumberland
Post by: softly softly on Wednesday 22 March 23 11:59 GMT (UK)
nursey dumpling, My searching along with other's has probably hit a wall. If finance allows I believe the marriage certificate of Henry & Mary in 1918 will hold answers, ie who her father was, his surname and occupation. I also think Mary had been previously married to a Mr Green but which one I have no idea. Please let us know your thoughts on what has been posted so far.

Regards

John
Title: Re: place in Cumberland
Post by: nursey dumpling on Wednesday 22 March 23 13:30 GMT (UK)
Hi John,
I am grateful for all the effort in supplying some useful information, all of which I will investigate further. I had come across some of the names in my own search but didnt have anything to confirm any links. I agree that getting the marriage certificate is the way forward.
Thank you all again.
Glenda