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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Dublin => Topic started by: AndrewG1958 on Thursday 06 April 23 21:02 BST (UK)
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Hi my name is Andrew Grimes and I'm trying to dig deeper into my family name i've only gotten back to my third great-grandfather John Grimes but I'm trying to go back even further than that. John Grimes born 1826 (Maybe)-1886 I don't know who he married as I can't find any record but he had a son Robert Grimes born 1854-1920. I know for a Fact that they came from irishtown but I also have sources that John came from skerries which is what I've been told that my name comes from there but I'm not quite sure as of now and as far as I can remember They have all been Sailors or Fishermen But If anyone can help me with this I would be so grateful
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Is this Robert in 1901?
Robert Grimes, 48 yrs, Fisherman
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/Pembroke_East___Donnybrook/Park_View_Place/1285624/
And marriage to Julia Shea 1876
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1876/11169/8091897.pdf
Death of John Grimes, Fisherman, Irishtown
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1886/06251/4789945.pdf
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Is this Robert in 1901?
Robert Grimes, 48 yrs, Fisherman
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/Pembroke_East___Donnybrook/Park_View_Place/1285624/
And marriage to Julia Shea 1876
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1876/11169/8091897.pdf
Death of John Grimes, Fisherman, Irishtown
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1886/06251/4789945.pdf
Yes that's them I'm trying go further back before John but can't seem to find anything about him
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Looking at baptisms, I can’t see one for Robert yet.
There are other possibilities but only that.
John was a widower on his death.
There is a death for Bridget Grimes, Fish woman, but sadly no address or family members given.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1877/020559/7214497.pdf
Baptism
Mary Ann Grimes - parents John and Bridget Walsh
https://www.rootschat.com/links/01s7t/
Marriage Bridget Grimes, Ringsend - Father John, a Sailor
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1876/11186/8098840.pdf
Marriage - John Grimes and Bridget Walsh - 1847
https://www.rootschat.com/links/01s7u/
These may/may not be relevant but you can take a look.
Where do you have the Skerries connection?
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Looking at baptisms, I can’t see one for Robert yet.
There are other possibilities but only that.
John was a widower on his death.
There is a death for Bridget Grimes, Fish woman, but sadly no address or family members given.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1877/020559/7214497.pdf
Baptism
Mary Ann Grimes - parents John and Bridget Walsh
https://www.rootschat.com/links/01s7t/
Marriage Bridget Grimes, Ringsend - Father John, a Sailor
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1876/11186/8098840.pdf
Marriage - John Grimes and Bridget Walsh - 1847
https://www.rootschat.com/links/01s7u/
These may/may not be relevant but you can take a look.
Where do you have the Skerries connection?
I have a master certificate for John Grimes and it says born Skerries but I don't know if it this John Grimes cause I it says born 1829
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I see a few Grimes of Skerries - some here
http://www.willcalendars.nationalarchives.ie/search/cwa/home.jsp
Several dates for John Grimes of Skerries too in Crew Lists as there are for Grimes, Ringsend.
Robert shows Ringsend as his residence on marriage, as did Bridget Grimes.
Irishtown and Ringsend are close.
There is a newspaper snippet November 1871, Midland Counties Advertiser
Re a James Slattery, who drowned.
“…two fishermen named John Grimes and James Mordaunt were rowing with deceased from the beach at Ringsend, opposite the coast guard station.”
Maybe you could find records - desth, marriages etc for John Grimes, Skerries which may help you decide.
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I see a few Grimes of Skerries - some here
http://www.willcalendars.nationalarchives.ie/search/cwa/home.jsp
Several dates for John Grimes of Skerries too in Crew Lists as there are for Grimes, Ringsend.
Robert shows Ringsend as his residence on marriage, as did Bridget Grimes.
Irishtown and Ringsend are close.
There is a newspaper snippet November 1871, Midland Counties Advertiser
Re a James Slattery, who drowned.
“…two fishermen named John Grimes and James Mordaunt were rowing with deceased from the beach at Ringsend, opposite the coast guard station.”
Maybe you could find records - desth, marriages etc for John Grimes, Skerries which may help you decide.
Would you mind sending me that newspaper snippet if you don’t mind and I’m going to through these links now
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Irishtown and Ringsend are close.
The townlands are adjacent to eachother.
https://www.townlands.ie/dublin/dublin/donnybrook/pembroke-east-ed-1901/irishtown/
https://www.townlands.ie/dublin/dublin/donnybrook/pembroke-east/ringsend/
https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/5475771#map=13/53.3454/-6.2227
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With regard to the newspaper snippet, you can see it on Find My Past, Irish newspapers. I do not have full access, although, I doubt there would be more information than quoted.
There are Grimes family members with your first names in both Ringsend and Skerries. As your records are Ringsend/ Irishtown, I would favour that area but I do understand the difficulty.
If you search this site https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/, Skerries entries are in Balrothery district and Ringsend entries are Dublin/Dublin South.
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There is a Ringsend/Irishtown group on Facebook. Perhaps you could get some help there.
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Hi thank you for your response could you send the link onto the page so I can find it
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James Grimes of Thorncastle Street, Ringsend, Fisherman. 1911 Irish Census. http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Pembroke_East/Thorncastle_St_/6285/
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Hi thank you for your response could you send the link onto the page so I can find it
https://www.facebook.com/groups/ringsenders
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Joannes Grimes was born on 9 August 1878 Cambridge Road Ringsend to Robert Grimes and Julia Shea https://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/display-pdf.jsp?pdfName=haddington_road_mf_1849-1907_ba_0145
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John Grimes born on 3 Mar 1830 to John Grimes and Mary Grimes at 71 Townsend Street Dublin. Townsend Street is about a mile from Ringsend. https://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/display-pdf.jsp?pdfName=d-30-2-1-029
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Robert Grimes and Julia Shea had at least five children
Michael born 15 Mar 1880 married Catherina (Kate) Vesey 17 June 1906 Ringsend
Patrick born 1887 married Margaret Redmond 10 Apr 1918 Ringsend
Bridget born 1888 married Matthew Deane 19 June 1910 Ringsend
John born 1890
Mary born 1892 married William Byrne 8 June 1913 Ringsend
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Patrick born 1887 married Margaret Redmond 10 Apr 1918 Ringsend
Patrick Grimes born 30 May 1886 at Ringsend. MMN Shea
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1886/02604/1961772.pdf
Marriage 1918 at Ringsend RC Church.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1918/09711/5523191.pdf
Children up to 1922-
Robert Grimes born 26 April 1920
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1920/01217/1506104.pdf
Patrick Grimes born 17 March 1922
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1922/01156/1483004.pdf
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Michael born 15 Mar 1880 married Catherina (Kate) Vesey 17 June 1906 Ringsend
Children of Grimes/Vesey marriage-
John Joseph 1907, Julia 1909, Robert 1910, Sarah 1913, Michael 1915, Patrick 1918, Bridget 1920.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/civil-perform-search.jsp?namefm=&namel=Grimes+Vesey&location=&yyfrom=1906&yyto=&type=B&submit=Search
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Bridget born 1888 married Matthew Deane 19 June 1910 Ringsend
Marriage 1910. Her sister Mary Grimes was a witness.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1910/09983/5630376.pdf
Children born to Deane/Grimes marriage (after 1910 the surname changes to Deans)-
James 1910, Julia 1912, Robert 1914, Ellen 1916, Matthew 1918, Patrick 1919, Mary 1920, John 1922.
https://www.rootschat.com/links/01sgq/
1911 census as Deans
House 13.3 in Sir John Rogerson's Quay (South Dock, Dublin)
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/South_Dock/Sir_John_Rogerson_s_Quay/81658/
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James 1910, Julia 1912, Robert 1914, Ellen 1916, Matthew 1918, Patrick 1919, Mary 1920, John 1922.
https://www.rootschat.com/links/01sgq/
Robert Deans, born 10 June 1914, married Martha Conlon on 8 February 1934 at St Andrew's RC Church, Dublin. One of the witnesses was his sister Ellen Deans.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1934/08955/5241209.pdf
Robert living at Thorncastle Street.
https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/5475771#map=17/53.34431/-6.22718
Running north-south in the image.
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Matthew Deans born 20 February 1918, married Mary O'Connor on 5 August 1946 at St Andrew's RC Church, Dublin. His younger brother John Deans was a witness.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1946/08723/5151782.pdf
John Deans born 30 October 1922, married Kathleen Fagan on 16 August 1942 at Our Lady of Lourdes RC Church, Dublin. His sister Ellen Deans was a witness.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1942/08804/5182983.pdf