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Hi, I have been boggling my brain trying to find my COX family in the 1881 Census and was hoping some fresh eyes, and more expertise than I have, might help, please! :)
I have them in the 1871 census at 20 Compton Street, St James, Clerkenwell
John Cox 36 Fire wood cutter born St Lukes
Sarah Cox 30 St Lukes
Ann Cox 8 St Lukes
Jane Cox 6 St Lukes
John Cox 4 St Lukes
Thomas Cox 2 Cripplegate
Joseph D Cox 1m Clerkenwell
I have them in the 1891 census at 165 Skidmore Street, Mile End Old Town
John Cox 54 Fire Wood Cutter St Lukes, London
Sarah Cox 51 St Lukes, London
John Cox 24 Oilman St Lukes, London
Jane Cox 26 Tailoress Cripplegate, London
Martha Cox 18 Tailoress St Lukes, London
Fredk Cox 16 Wood Cutter Dalston, London
Robert Cox 13 Scholar Dalston, London
Arthur Cox 4 Stepney, London
I have tried all sorts of things to try and find even just one of them in the 1881 census but have failed miserably. I checked on Findmypast and it seemed to imply there was nothing major missing from the 1881 census but if anyone knows better, please do say..
I wondered if they might be in a workhouse or somewhere only under initials perhaps but wouldn't know where to start with that.
Robert was the last child to be born before 1881 and he was born in Dalston, apparently (Shoreditch Reg District on GRO). I don't have his Birth Cert but will get it if need be. I cannot find his baptism, or his brother Frederick's - also born Dalston.
I am having a tough time tracing the children Ann Cox and Thomas Cox after 1871 so confirmation of their 1881 whereabouts would be very useful.
Any help would be gratefully received - many thanks.
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I am having a tough time tracing the children Ann Cox and Thomas Cox after 1871 so confirmation of their 1881 whereabouts would be very useful.
Have you checked to see if they passed away before the 1881 census?
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COX, ELIZABETH JANE
Mother's Maiden Surname: WILLIS
GRO Reference: 1864 D Quarter in SAINT LUKE MIDDLESEX Volume 01B Page 670
COX, JOHN
Mother's Maiden Surname: WILLIS
GRO Reference: 1867 M Quarter in SAINT LUKE MIDDLESEX Volume 01B Page 743
School admissions for those two
Shap Street School Girls, 13 Sep 1875
Elizabeth Jane Cox
Born 15.11.64
Parent John Cox
Residence 15 Clarence Ter. Hag (Haggerston)
Last school All Saints
Shap Street School Boys, 11 Oct 1875
John Cox
Born 25.11.66
Parent John Cox
Residence 15 Clarence Terr.
Last school All Saints
Left 31.12.78
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Electoral registers, St. Leonard Shoreditch
1876, 1877, 1878, 1879
John Cox, 15 Clarence Terrace
Not on there with that address in 1880.
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Electoral registers, St. Leonard Shoreditch
1876, 1877, 1878, 1879
John Cox, 15 Clarence Terrace
Not on there with that address in 1880.
1881 census living at 15 Clarence Terrace, Shoreditch is Thomas WARD and family
Hi, I have been boggling my brain trying to find my COX family in the 1881 Census and was hoping some fresh eyes, and more expertise than I have, might help, please! :)
I have them in the 1891 census at 165 Skidmore Street, Mile End Old Town
John Cox 54 Fire Wood Cutter St Lukes, London
Sarah Cox 51 St Lukes, London
John Cox 24 Oilman St Lukes, London
Jane Cox 26 Tailoress Cripplegate, London
Martha Cox 18 Tailoress St Lukes, London
Fredk Cox 16 Wood Cutter Dalston, London
Robert Cox 13 Scholar Dalston, London
Arthur Cox 4 Stepney, London
I have tried all sorts of things to try and find even just one of them in the 1881 census but have failed miserably. I checked on Findmypast and it seemed to imply there was nothing major missing from the 1881 census but if anyone knows better, please do say..
I wondered if they might be in a workhouse or somewhere only under initials perhaps but wouldn't know where to start with that.
Pretty elusive in 1881 ???
1881 census living at 165 Skidmore Street, Mile End Old Town is George WARREN and family
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John Cox and Sarah Willis married 25 Jan 1858, Bethnal Green St Philip.
John was 21 and a wood cutter, and Sarah was 17.
First three children
COX, EDMUND
Mother's Maiden Surname: WILLIS
GRO Reference: 1859 M Quarter in SAINT LUKE MIDDLESEX Volume 01B Page 617
COX, SARAH ANN
Mother's Maiden Surname: WILLIS
GRO Reference: 1860 D Quarter in SAINT LUKE MIDDLESEX Volume 01B Page 604
COX, ANN
Mother's Maiden Surname: WILLIS
GRO Reference: 1862 D Quarter in SAINT LUKE MIDDLESEX Volume 01B Page 651
Baptisms at St Thomas, Charterhouse
Sarah Ann, 2 Dec 1860.
Born 7 Aug 1860.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G96G-GQD7
Edmund on the 16 Dec 1860.
Born 13 Jany 1859.
Seems to say his father was Job! Occupation Wood Cutter
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-996G-GQH4
Abode on those baptisms 3 Great Arthur Street?
Then Ann on the 7 Dec 1862
Born 10 Nov 1862
Abode 36 Arthur Street
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L96G-GQ7T
Have the Cox family been found in 1861? Bits of it are missing, they are not at 3 Great Arthur Street.
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Pretty elusive in 1881 ???
Indeed, but at least we know where they lived for about four years a little while before then!
Not really sure what happened to the first two children, Edmund and Sarah Ann.
Thomas might have died in 1873
March 1873 Holborn 1b 422
Cox, Thomas
Age 4
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Hi everyone, I have just seen all these replies - thank you.
I will reply properly in the morning as I am just off to bed - I have the delightful Covid and seem to be very tired all the time at the moment!
Briefly - I have burials for Edmund and Sarah (children) - I will look up the details and post here tomorrow.
I have attempted to look for deaths of Thomas and Ann prior to 1881 but the names are VERY common - I must try harder :) I have been trying to spend a bit of time on it today and found the 15 Clarence Terrace address but, as you have pointed out, they were not there in 1881.
I have them in 1861 census - I will add the details tomorrow.
I will see what I can find in terms of burials for the Thomas Cox died age 4 - that might be promising. They seemed to move around quite a bit and I find it hard to keep focused on all the different London Districts! Lots and lots of map referencing as I go.
Thank you all again, sorry that I am now popping off!
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Have the Cox family been found in 1861? Bits of it are missing, they are not at 3 Great Arthur Street.
I have them in 1861 census - I will add the details tomorrow.
I was wondering if this was them in 1861
9, Northampton Street, Pancras, St Pancras, London & Middlesex
John Cox Head 1832 occ Fire wood cutter St Luke's, Middlesex
Sally Cox Wife 1839 St Luke's, Middlesex
Edward Cox son 1859 St Luke's, Middlesex
Sally Cox Daughter 1861 St Pancras, Middlesex
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9, Northampton Street, Pancras, St Pancras, London & Middlesex
John Cox Head 1832 occ Fire wood cutter St Luke's, Middlesex
Sally Cox Wife 1839 St Luke's, Middlesex
Edward Cox son 1859 St Luke's, Middlesex
Sally Cox Daughter 1861 St Pancras, Middlesex
Yes, this is them, thanks
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Pretty elusive in 1881 ???
Indeed, but at least we know where they lived for about four years a little while before then!
Not really sure what happened to the first two children, Edmund and Sarah Ann.
Thomas might have died in 1873
March 1873 Holborn 1b 422
Cox, Thomas
Age 4
In the Burial Register for Victoria Park Cemetery, Hackney
Edmund COX age 2 years 10 months, Sidney St Caledonian Road, 25 Nov 1861
Sarah COX age 14 months, Sidney St Caledonian Road, 9 Dec 1961
Edmond COX 1861 Q4 Islington Vol 1b Page 135 (Age 3)
Sarah COX 1861 Q4 Islington Vol 1B Page 148 (Age 1)
So not a happy month for John and Sarah :(
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Just as another thought - might be nothing though.
I found an entry for an Ann COX in the Islington Workhouse Records 30 Jan 1881, this Ann is age 19 and had given birth to an illegitimate son William Percy COX. She is listed as a Servant. There are so many Ann COX, servant records in London in the 1881 census that I got a bit overwhelmed yesterday. I will revisit this, though.
I spent quite a bit of time looking at John COX (the father) in the Stepney Board of Guardians Records on Ancestry yesterday as he seems to have been in and out of the Mile End Old Town Workhouse between 1903 and 1907. He was moved to the infirmary a couple of times and in 1907 is moved to the Insane ward, for "Religious Mania". On one of the records he is suddenly described as Baptist where he had been CofE before - does anyone have any insight into whether just claiming to be a Baptist (possibly loudly) would have led authorities to say that someone had "religious mania"?? I am trying to "follow" his life to find the death/burial record. There is a John COX, similar age, in the Stepney Union Workhouse in 1911 but he is described as a General Labourer, rather than a Wood Cutter. I wondered if this might make sense if he had been in the Workhouse since 1907?
Apologies - I feel like I have gone off at a tangent here! My head is spinning with information...
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A+D register says John Cox discharged to Colney Hatch, 9 Oct 1907
Patients in the Lunatic Wards of the Workhouse, Bancroft Road
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/1557/images/31952_a015060-00065
Reception Order for John Cox, of 165 Skidmore Street, Mile End, Wood Chopper
Sent to Colney Hatch
Wife Sarah in Forest Gate
Gives a description of his symptoms
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/1557/images/31952_a013998-00391
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Lunacy Patients Admission Registers on ancestry
Jno Cox, admitted to Colney (Hatch), 9 Oct 1907
Died 8 April 1913
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/9051/images/42477_1831101456_11591-00204
Death
June 1913 Barnet 3a 349
Cox, John
Age 76
So a sad end for John. Sorry about that.
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Likely John in Colney Hatch in 1911
J C, 74, Wood Chopper
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XW4F-JWT
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Great finds jonw65
For info. Sarah Cox is not living at 93, Strone Road, Town, East Ham, West Ham on 1911 census
I wonder if this is her death entry
Sarah Cox Age: 77 Mar 1911 West Ham, Essex Volume: 4a Page: 178
and burial
Sarah Cox Age 77 Burial 24 Jan 1911 Leyton, St Mary the Virgin, Essex
1911 John & Sarah Cox’s married dau Martha Felstead age 38 is living at
118 Strone Road Forest Gate, East Ham, London & Essex Forest Green with them is her brother Arthur Cox age 24 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWFH-HT5
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This is all fabulous - thank you. I had struggled to find his final discharge after being admitted in 1907 so I really appreciate all that information, I will have a good look through. That also answers his whereabouts in the 1911 census so I can bin the "possibles" I have been collecting!
Sarah Cox is living at 77 Strone Road in the 1911 Census (at least that is what I believe), as a visitor in a household of people I don't recognise. I had thought it was probably a way of being near to her children. I will have a closer look at those death/burials, thank you!
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A+D register says John Cox discharged to Colney Hatch, 9 Oct 1907
Patients in the Lunatic Wards of the Workhouse, Bancroft Road
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/1557/images/31952_a015060-00065
Reception Order for John Cox, of 165 Skidmore Street, Mile End, Wood Chopper
Sent to Colney Hatch
Wife Sarah in Forest Gate
Gives a description of his symptoms
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/1557/images/31952_a013998-00391
That reception order does make for sad reading but thank you so much for finding it - it really fills in the blanks and directly answers why "religious mania".
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Sarah Cox is living at 77 Strone Road in the 1911 Census (at least that is what I believe), as a visitor in a household of people I don't recognise. I had thought it was probably a way of being near to her children. I will have a closer look at those death/burials, thank you!
Yes she is at that address in 1911
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWF4-GG1
- added says Sarah married 53 years 12 children 7 living 5 died
Edit to add
Alice married Harry Diegel in 1902
Alice Matilda PENN age 19 father Edwin
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Sarah Cox is living at 77 Strone Road in the 1911 Census (at least that is what I believe), as a visitor in a household of people I don't recognise. I had thought it was probably a way of being near to her children. I will have a closer look at those death/burials, thank you!
Yes she is at that address in 1911
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWF4-GG1
- added says Sarah married 53 years 12 children 7 living 5 died
Edit to add
Alice married Harry Diegel in 1902
Alice Matilda PENN age 19 father Edwin
The 12 children part was interesting as I have only ever found 11.
As well as being for my own interest and family tree, I am currently focused on my 3 x GGP and family because I am trying to help a DNA cousin identify her unknown Grandfather. He is likely to be the son of one of John and Sarah's sons OR the son of the son of one of John and Sarah's children. I really want to be sure I know who was alive and when, and where they all were, and also that I have all the known children, before I recommend to her where she might need some targeted DNA testing to get some closer matches.
Thanks both for all your help - it is much appreciated.
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Two of the girls Martha & Elizabeth Jane Cox married and they can later be found living/died in Bath Somerset - do you have these details?
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Two of the girls Martha & Elizabeth Jane Cox married and they can later be found living/died in Bath Somerset - do you have these details?
Yes, Ladyhawk, thank you, I have those details. Elizabeth Jane is my 2 x GGM
For info, regarding the other children:
Son John COX (b 1867) married Clara STRAIN
Son Joseph Daniel COX (b 1870) married Bertha Mary OSMAN
Son Robert COX (b 1878) married (1) Edith Elizabeth CADGE & (2) Augusta FURBER
Son Arthur Herbert COX (b 1887) married (1) Ethel DANSIE & (2) Clarrie Moss FRANCIS
I have nothing for daughter Ann COX (b.1862) past the 1871 census
I have nothing for son Thomas COX (b 1869) past the 1871 census
I have nothing for son Frederick William COX (b 1875) past the 1891 census
With the early deaths of Edmund and Sarah, perhaps these three make up the five children that have apparently died by 1911 but where is the 12th child? Given that they have turned up on no records so far, I would be inclined to say that "missing" child might be one of the five dead??
I definitely need to spend some more time on the deaths and burials to try and confirm.
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Did their son Joseph die before 1911 census?
Joseph Daniel Cox age 37 Jun 1908 Wandsworth, London
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Did their son Joseph die before 1911 census?
Joseph Daniel Cox age 37 Jun 1908 Wandsworth, London
Yes, that is him.
I have deaths for Edmund, Sarah, Elizabeth Jane, Martha & Arthur. I haven't identified any yet for Ann, John jnr, Frederick William or Robert. I now have a likely death for John sen and Sarah sen thanks to you both, and also the possible death for Thomas age 4.