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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Staffordshire => Topic started by: AngieR on Friday 21 April 23 19:03 BST (UK)
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Hello. So after years dabbling I still find myself hitting my head against a brick wall! ???
I am trying to find out where my 3 x great grandfather came from.....
He lived in St Neots, Huntingdonshire early 1800s, whereafter his son Thomas moved to London and the rest I know!
I know the majority of Salts originate in Staffs and got a few clues today purely based on finding what I think was the death record of a Henry Salt at Burma in WW2, who my dad used to refer to as an uncle or cousin. Henry was born in Staffordshire, so I'm thinking there must have been contact between the Staffordshire and London Salts but there is nobody left to ask on my side.
If you are still with me.......Does anyone have a Thomas Salt born late 1700s in their tree who disappeared?
Hope someone can put me out of my misery :) Angie
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This is a duplicate post. I have asked the moderator to lock it as duplicate posts result in a lot of wasted time & effort
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=872301.msg7436358#msg7436358
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I can see from your other thread:
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=872276.0
That you are descended from Thomas Salt, who married Emma Richards in 1853. From their marriage certificate, I can see that Thomas' father, Thomas Sr., whose background you are researching, was described as carrier. If you wouldn't mind including relevant information such as this on your future posts, then that would make it easier to research for you :)
I found this interesting little snippet in the Huntingdon, Bedford & Peterborough Gazette from 04 February 1837. It mentions the late Thomas Salt who operated a carrier business from St. Neots to London.
This must relate to the Thomas Salt who was buried on 5th February 1837 in St. Neots. He was age 50, so born c.1787.
I can see another article, which I believe relates to the same man (although he is described as waggoner in this one), that mentions a daughter called Sarah Salt.
Could be a coincidence, but how many carriers called Thomas Salt could have lived in St. Neots at this time? However, I am unsure how the 70-year-old Thomas Salt who died in 1845 in St. Neots fits into the equation...
In terms of marriages, I can see a marriage between a Thomas Salt, widower, and Mary Lambert in St. Neots in 1818. Can't view the parish register, unfortunately.
Queenie :)
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I can see that someone posted this exact same thing on your other thread.
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Are the 4 orphans, Sarah, Thomas, Miriam & Mary??
Where did the 3 daughters end up?
(If those are the wrong names, who were the three others and same question re whereabouts)
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Thomas Salt who died 28 September 1837 left a will written 1835
Index of wills - Diocese of Litchfield and Coventry has the will.
Contents might prove useful he may name brothers etc.
ADDED This one died in Baswich/Berkswich buried 2 October 1837
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I can see that someone posted this exact same thing on your other thread.
Yes, QoW, that's me. But you have provided the full details, and newspaper images, which is better :)
Carole is right though, duplicate threads do result in wasted time and effort. Perhaps a mod can merge the two threads (and not include my superseded replies)
Are the 4 orphans, Sarah, Thomas, Miriam & Mary??
Where did the 3 daughters end up?
Carole has found Sarah in 1841, and she is still in St Neots, and single in 1851. Possible marriage for her there later?
Thomas Salt who died 28 September 1837 left a will written 1835
It can't be the St Neots Thomas if he died 28 September, because that one was buried in February.
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Miriam and Mary are in St Neots in 1841. But I didn’t know if they were the other two children or not. Hence my question to OP. I am assuming that they have baptisms from their visit to the record office?? And want to confirm before chasing them around.
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Good thinking, mckha.
I'm not even chasing Sarah around.
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Okay now I'm confused.
On the other thread the OP says Thomas Salt the whitesmith apprentice was the correct ancestor.
Then says Thomas married Emma Richards 8 May 1853 at St John Clerkenwell. (His father was a Carrier)
I traced the children of Thomas and Emma nee Richards using the GRO Index and parish baptism records. This Thomas was a Farrier not a Whitesmith.
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Thanks for your efforts everyone. Didn't realise a duplicate would cause such a problem! Sorry!
QOFTW the newspaper cuttings are really helpful because one of the signatories - Thomas Chapman - was the guardian of the young Thomas Salt, so clearly it was his father who died in 1837.
Similarly the burial of one of the Thomas's in Everton cum Tetworth allows me to delete that particular marriage record I have.
I attach all the info I gathered when I visited Huntingdon FHS so you don't waste any more time searching for what I know. This the link to my tree on ancestry: https://www.ancestry.co.uk/family-tree/tree/189614548/family?cfpid=262464486228
My original question regarding where he came from however still remains!
Angie
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don't waste any more time searching
Too right.
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don't waste any more time searching
Too right.
Thanks for that! My original question was to ask if anyone had a missing Thomas from a Staffordshire family tree......
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Fair point, Angie.
Of course what I posted on your other thread was vastly improved upon by the wonderful QueenoftheWest.
I expected that, but not for it to be put on this one! So I was rather disappointed that the moderators didn't merge the two threads.
I think finding Thomas's origins would have flowed on from the other info anyway, i.e. establishing the right death/burial, with an age given, and thus getting an approximate year of birth for him. That's always a useful start!
Of course we want to assist you, we love helping people.
John
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Using Google Books and searching for
William Salt St Neots
The Poll for Two Knights of the Shire, May 1831
County of HUNTINGDON
OUT VOTERS
Freeholders and Place of Residence:
EATON
HALL John
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Place of Freehold
St Neots
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Of what the Freehold consist
H and L
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Occupiers' Names
SALT
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Bury and Norwich Post, Wednesday 24 January 1844
'We very much regret to have to record a third fire on the premises of Mr JOHN HALL of EATON FORD, near St Neots.
The flames were discovered from a large barley barn, and quickly consumed all the buildings, except a house formerly occupied by Mr Gorham, which was saved by pulling down a porition of a barn.
The builds were the property of Mr Carrington, of St Neots. Mr Hall was in London.
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Thanks all. After swearing I was going to leave it for a couple of weeks and do the things I should be doing, I got a bit hooked today again :D
I haven't got the full picture by any means but have been looking Warwickshire/Shropshire way having found census and marriage records for an Edward Hobday and Ann Salt and links to a Sarah/Catherine Salt via the census. Could be that Thomas came from the Ludlow area or London.
As a Londoner, my geographical knowledge of the Midlands is much improved ;)