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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Kilkenny => Topic started by: Cathy_Aus on Sunday 23 April 23 00:32 BST (UK)
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Hi
Looking for aMarriage Please Of a Martin Nolan(Nowlan) And Ann Eliza Rossiter Circa 1870-1880
Family were From Freshford Kilkenny Thought Is
they May have Gone to USA and Married.There Then Returned To Freshford and Had their Children First Child Richard Was born 18 Jan.1880 • Newtown,Taghmon,Co.Wexford
Cant Find This Nolan/Rossiter Marriage Anywhere
Any Help Much Appreciated
Cheers
Cathy:)
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Looking for aMarriage Please Of a Martin Nolan(Nowlan) And Ann Eliza Rossiter Circa 1870-1880
Family were From Freshford Kilkenny Thought Is
they May have Gone to USA and Married.There Then Returned To Freshford and Had their Children First Child Richard Was born 18 Jan.1880 • Newtown,Taghmon,Co.Wexford
Cant Find This Nolan/Rossiter Marriage Anywhere
Link to 1880 birth of Richard for reference-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1880/02882/2056222.pdf
Newtown townland in the civil parish of Bannow (Bannow E. D.)
https://www.townlands.ie/wexford/bargy/bannow/bannow/newtown/
https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/3434300#map=11/52.2702/-6.5856
Can't see a pre-1880 marriage at the moment - can anyone?
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... First Child Richard Was born 18 Jan.1880 • Newtown,Taghmon,Co.Wexford
I can see the subsequent children to this couple but more importantly, as far as the timing of a marriage goes, the following looks like an earlier child, Catherine born at Newtown two years before Richard:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1878/02974/2089672.pdf
The baptismal record for Catherine has a later comment to say that she married an Edward Kavanagh in 1910 ... (top of left page):
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634130#page/32/mode/1up
... but the relevant 1910 civil marriage registration (below) shows a different father for the bride, so I'm thinking that the comment on Catherine's baptismal record is incorrect:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1910/09975/5626998.pdf
Instead, this might be her marrying a Michael Dooley in 1904:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1904/10218/5719774.pdf
Possibly Michael and Catherine Dooley and family in 1911?
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Kilkenny/Freshford/Bawntanameenagh/566768/
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A bit of an aside here - you may already have this:
There are various newspaper snippets, the Wexford People, - 1885 - 1888 re Martin Nolan, an evicted tenant of Newtown.
The person evicting him is named as Richard/ Grabber Wickham his brother in law.
The 1888 snippet mentions oats being auctioned by Martin Nolan, Newton and the earlier ones the eviction.
There is a marriage, 1867, Richard Wickham and Mary Nolan, father Richard Nolan of Newton.
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Looking for aMarriage Please Of a Martin Nolan(Nowlan) And Ann Eliza Rossiter Circa 1870-1880
Family were From Freshford Kilkenny
The records posted already are from Newtown, Wexford but you have Freshford, Kilkenny. Which records do you have for Freshford?
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Apologies - I see Catherine Nolan Dooley is in Freshford.
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... First Child Richard Was born 18 Jan.1880 • Newtown,Taghmon,Co.Wexford
I can see the subsequent children to this couple but more importantly, as far as the timing of a marriage goes, the following looks like an earlier child, Catherine born at Newtown two years before Richard:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1878/02974/2089672.pdf
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Instead, this might be her marrying a Michael Dooley in 1904:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1904/10218/5719774.pdf
Possibly Michael and Catherine Dooley and family in 1911?
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Kilkenny/Freshford/Bawntanameenagh/566768/
On the marriage certificate it shows that Katie Nolan's father, Martin is deceased. This is at 31/10/1904.
On the 1901 census there is a Martin Nolan, widower, aged 60 living with his sister in law at Outrath.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Kilkenny/Outrath/Outrath/1451503/
Perhaps the OP could give us the dates of death for Martin Nolan and Ann Eliza Nolan so that we have all the information and don't need to search to try to put togther the family. This will enable us to concentrate on finding the marriage.
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That’s sensible, shanreagh. :)
However, may I just post this (possible) death for Ann Eliza - residence Harpurstown/Harperstown
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1887/06211/4777173.pdf
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However, may I just post this (possible) death for Ann Eliza - residence Harpurstown/Harperstown
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1887/06211/4777173.pdf
...and here's the location of the townland of Harperstown in Taghmon civil parish
https://www.townlands.ie/wexford/bargy/taghmon/harperstown/harperstown/
https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/3473974#map=12/52.3099/-6.5801
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There is also this marriage but as shanreagh points out we need more information from Cathy.
Martin Nolan - widower.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1889/10744/5918043.pdf
I have some reservations about it but I thought I would offer it anyway. ;)
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There is also this marriage but as shanreagh points out we need more information from Cathy.
Martin Nolan - widower.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1889/10744/5918043.pdf
I have some reservations about it but I thought I would offer it anyway. ;)
That looks interesting. I can see a run of children born to Martin and Catherine, culminating in:
- Johanna born on 21 August 1899, father recorded as Martin Nolan of 'Clonskeagh':
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1899/02030/1778483.pdf
- Christopher born on Christmas Day 1900 at '25 Clonskea', father Martin Nolan described as deceased:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1901/01966/1758236.pdf
A married labourer called Martin Nolan from 'Clonskeagh' drowned between Clonskeagh and Milltown on 16 November 1900:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1900/05746/4622578.pdf
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There is also this marriage but as shanreagh points out we need more information from Cathy.
Martin Nolan - widower.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1889/10744/5918043.pdf
I have some reservations about it but I thought I would offer it anyway. ;)
Is that where the mix up has happened with the wrong notation on the baptism?
The baptismal record for Catherine has a later comment to say that she married an Edward Kavanagh in 1910 ... (top of left page):
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634130#page/32/mode/1up
... but the relevant 1910 civil marriage registration (below) shows a different father for the bride, so I'm thinking that the comment on Catherine's baptismal record is incorrect:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1910/09975/5626998.pdf
This Kathleen NOLAN was a widow and her father was also John REILLY.
Debra :)
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... Is that where the mix up has happened with the wrong notation on the baptism?
... This Kathleen NOLAN was a widow and her father was also John REILLY.
Debra :)
Oooh, also very interesting.
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I agree - very interesting ;)
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Kate Nolan and children in 1901
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/Pembroke_West/Byrne_s_Cottages_Clonskeagh/1286906/
And the Kavanagh/Nolans in 1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Pembroke_West/Byrne_s_Cottages/11737/
We still haven’t found the first marriage though.
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So let me get this straight in my head. Martin Nolan married Ann Elizabeth Rossiter, date unknown, but a reasonable assumption is before daughter Catherine's birth in 1878 (hers being the earliest birth known thus far). They had further children, then Ann Elizabeth Nolan died in 1887. Widower Martin Nolan remarried in 1889 - to Catherine Reilly, they had a run of children, then Martin Nolan drowned in the Dodder in 1900, and widow Catherine Nolan remarried in 1910 to Edward Kavanagh.
So the comment in the baptismal record for Catherine born in 1878 is actually referring to her stepmother's marriage in 1910, isn't that it?
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I can’t understand that baptism reference.
I agree with the previous records to Ann Eliza’s death and then a bit unsure but it looks plausible.
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But as you say, we still haven't found the first marriage. ;D I've checked Britain and Ireland, nothing so far, 'Ancestry' isn't producing any hits for me in the USA either.
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Hi
Looking for aMarriage Please Of a Martin Nolan(Nowlan) And Ann Eliza Rossiter Circa 1870-1880
Family were From Freshford Kilkenny Thought Is
they May have Gone to USA and Married.There Then Returned To Freshford and Had their Children First Child Richard Was born 18 Jan.1880 • Newtown,Taghmon,Co.Wexford
Cant Find This Nolan/Rossiter Marriage Anywhere
Any Help Much Appreciated
Cheers
Cathy:)
Since posting in April, OP has made no response to any of the many posts here.
If she were to show some interest, I might respond further. With some considerable insights.
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This whole thread - so far - is posted under the wrong county. Should be in Co. Wexford forum.