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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Limerick => Topic started by: leigh morgan on Thursday 27 April 23 13:17 BST (UK)
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Trying to find parents of Denis McGrath married Catherine Collins married on 15 February 1844 in Kilteely and Drumkeen Limerick Ireland. Sorry do not have any birth dates. Children: Patrick, Catherine, John, Denis, Honora, Terence, Maria, James and Timothy.
Know that Honora, Patrick and Denis went to NSW Australia. Any help would be appreciated.
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The first step is to establish when Denis died, so that you can find an estimated year of birth.
Civil registration of birth, marriage and death began for all of Ireland in 1864 (1844 for Protestant marriages). The Irish civil records can be viewed for free on irishgenealogy.ie (http://irishgenealogy.ie) .
This looks like the correct death for Denis:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1895/05927/4683108.pdf
He was approximately 80 years old in 1895, giving him an estimated birth year of 1815.
Catherine outlived him, dying in 1907:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1909/05465/4529614.pdf
She can be seen with their son Michael on the 1901 census:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Limerick/Kilteely/Kildromin/1491337/
Queenie :)
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In terms of a good second step, I would recommend going through the baptisms of all of Denis and Catherine's children to find the names of the godparents, as godparents were often relatives (usually siblings) of the couple.
The Kilteely and Drumkeen parish registers can be viewed for free here:
https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0271
From what I can see, their children were:
- Timothy Magrath baptised 17 Feb 1845
- Patrick Magrath baptised 27 Apr 1846
- Michael Magrath baptised 11 Jun 1848
- Catherine Magrath baptised 9 Apr 1850
- Denis Magrath baptised 3 May 1852 at St Michael's, Limerick city, Limerick
- John Magrath baptised 1 Mar 1854
- Denis McGrath baptised 11 Aug 1855
- Honora Magrath baptised 21 Feb 1856
- Terence Magrath baptised 20 Jul 1858
- Maria McGrath baptised 1 Apr 1861
- James Magrath baptised 10 Mar 1864
- Timothy Magrath baptised 24 Sep 1866
Apologies if I have missed any.
Queenie :)
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She can be seen with their son Michael on the 1901 census:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Limerick/Kilteely/Kildromin/1491337/
The townland of Kildromin in Kilteely civil parish.
https://www.townlands.ie/limerick/smallcounty/kilteely/kilteely/kildromin/
https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/6004880#map=12/52.5361/-8.4183
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If you look at the children’s baptisms for Sponsors’ names, they can often be helpful.
I looked earlier, and saw Timothy Collins was a sponsor for a child (can’t remember which sorry) but I also think he was a witness to the marriage.
He could be a brother maybe?
Tithe Applotment records http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/ shows a Timothy Collins in Kildromin in 1826. He may be Catherine’s father?
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There is a ‘Pat’? Collins baptised 1820 to Tim and Cath Collins
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632738#page/18/mode/1up
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Just for information and for you to consider.
Denis and Catherine had a daughter, Honora. That might be a family name.
There is a marriage in Kilteely parish https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632738#page/221/mode/1up
22nd February 1838
Thos Cahil to Honora Magrath at Ball…green..
(Difficult to find and read).
Tithe Applotment records show John Magrath at Ballinagreena, Kilteely - 1826
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Thank you so very much to everyone who has replied so very kind of you all. I will sift through all you have given me and find more info.
Once again many many thanks
Leigh
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It will be difficult to locate parents for Denis McGRATH and Catherine COLLINS, married 1844, with any certainty when little information is recorded.
Try to fill in the many gaps regarding later life of their children, beyond Patrick, Johanna and Denis who went to Australia. Along the way you might find reference to cousins, aunts etc in an era of chain migration.
What do you know about the lives of Patrick, Johanna and Denis in Australia.
Are you doing your own researching or using information that you find in online family trees?
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Using Ancestry family tree -
Grenfell Record and Lachlan District Advertiser 4 Jan 1932 p2
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/112835045?
...obituary for Patrick McGRATH...widower....86 years born Kilteely Limerick arrived at age 23 years......resided with brother Denis McGRATH...two brothers living in Ireland...
Grenfell Record and Lachlan District Advertiser 8 Apr 1913 p8
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/112186044?
...obituary for Honora wife of Charles BENNETT.....
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Thank you so much for your help. I have followed the three children in Australia and was working back to Ireland.
I am doing my own research with some help from others.
Thank you again for your help
Leigh
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What documentation do you have for BDM events in the lives of Honora, Patrick and Denis ....in Australia?
When/where/what ship....for arrival in Australia for Honora, Patrick and Denis?
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I have all documents for her arrival to NSW Australia on the ship "Corona" her marriage and births of all her children.
It is the other children Terence, James, Timothy, John and Mary I do not have any information on
Many thanks
Leigh
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Using Ancestry records this is what I see for Honora McGRATH, arriving "Corona", 1879, Sydney -
All New South Wales, Australia, Assisted Immigrant Passenger Lists, 1828-1896
https://www.ancestry.com.au/search/collections/1204/
Name: MACGRATH Honora 20 years
Native Place: Limerick
Parents names, and , if alive, their residence: Limerick **** WILSON (might be Eliza)
Religious denomination: RC
Read Write: both
Relations in the Colony: none
Name: ENGLISH Johanna 20 years
Native Place: Limerick
Parents names, and , if alive, their residence: Michael & **** Limerick
Religious denomination: RC
Read Write: both
Relations in the Colony: John CONWAY cousin
New South Wales, Australia, Immigration Deposit Journals, 1853-1900
https://www.ancestry.com.au/search/collections/2000/
Name of Depositor: John CONWAY
Deposit paid: 3 Dec 1878
Person for whom remittance is made:
Residence Name & address of referee
ENGLISH Johanna 19 years Ballinagrana Thomas FITZGERALD
McGRATH Honora 21 years Kaldronin
Ireland
At 1879 and arriving "Corona" Honora McGRATH has no relatives in the colony.
From the obituary for Patrick McGRATH, died 1932...he is 86 years old and arrived at age 23 years ......arrived ~ 1869.
New South Wales, Australia, Immigration Deposit Journals, 1853-1900
Apart from finding names on the NSW BDM index what documents do you have for BDM?
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Maybe Terence
Marriage - 1895 to Margaret Corbett
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1895/10530/5835705.pdf
1911 census
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Limerick/Knockainy/Rathanny/618588/
Death 1947 - informant, nephew William English
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1947/04581/4211604.pdf
William English - the nephew
1901 and 1911 census with mother Catherine Lundon
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Limerick/Kilteely/Ballinlough/1491232/
Marriage
Catherine Magrath and William English 1882
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1882/10963/8007179.pdf
Marriage Catherine English (McGrath) and Michael Lundon
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1895/10539/5839046.pdf
Does that fit with your records for Catherine?
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New South Wales, Australia, Immigration Deposit Journals, 1853-1900
https://www.ancestry.com.au/search/collections/2000/
Arrived "Smyrna" 1 Feb 1883
Name of Depositor: John CONWAY Mitchells Rd Alexandria
Deposit paid: Feby
Person for whom remittance is made:
Residence Name & address of referee
McGRATH Terence 25 years Kaldronin PO Michael FITZGERALD
McGRATH Mary 22 years Kileely Limerick Thomas ELLIGOTT
BRADSHAW John 18 years Ballybroad PO " "
Limerick
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Thank you, thank you the information on Mary, Terence, and Catherine. Terence came to Australia on Smyma in 1883 but I could not find any information on death etc. so he must have gone back home to Ireland.
I cannot thank you enough thank you for your time and effort
Leigh
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You have James baptised 1864.
There is a death in 1865 for a 1yr old James but details are not yet available.
It might be your James.
https://www.rootschat.com/links/01s97/
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Thank you for the information on James I also found that John Conway was reimbursed for Mary's voyage as she did not come to Australia.
Many thanks
Leigh
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The McGrath's are buried in Kilteely
https://historicgraves.com/kilteely/li-ktly-0139/grave
PM me and I will put you in touch with somebody who has researched this family
P J
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Thank you for putting me in touch with the two gentleman I got wonderful information from them and truly appreciate you passing my query onto them
Many many thanks
Leigh