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Title: Denis McGrath
Post by: leigh morgan on Thursday 27 April 23 13:17 BST (UK)
Trying to find parents of Denis McGrath married Catherine Collins married on 15 February 1844 in Kilteely and Drumkeen Limerick Ireland.  Sorry do not have any birth dates.  Children: Patrick, Catherine, John, Denis, Honora, Terence, Maria, James and Timothy.
Know that Honora, Patrick and Denis went to NSW Australia.  Any help would be appreciated.
Title: Re: Denis McGrath
Post by: QueenoftheWest on Thursday 27 April 23 14:14 BST (UK)
The first step is to establish when Denis died, so that you can find an estimated year of birth.

Civil registration of birth, marriage and death began for all of Ireland in 1864 (1844 for Protestant marriages). The Irish civil records can be viewed for free on irishgenealogy.ie (http://irishgenealogy.ie) .

This looks like the correct death for Denis:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1895/05927/4683108.pdf

He was approximately 80 years old in 1895, giving him an estimated birth year of 1815. 

Catherine outlived him, dying in 1907:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1909/05465/4529614.pdf

She can be seen with their son Michael on the 1901 census:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Limerick/Kilteely/Kildromin/1491337/

Queenie  :)
Title: Re: Denis McGrath
Post by: QueenoftheWest on Thursday 27 April 23 14:22 BST (UK)
In terms of a good second step, I would recommend going through the baptisms of all of Denis and Catherine's children to find the names of the godparents, as godparents were often relatives (usually siblings) of the couple.

The Kilteely and Drumkeen parish registers can be viewed for free here:
https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0271

From what I can see, their children were:
- Timothy Magrath baptised 17 Feb 1845
- Patrick Magrath baptised 27 Apr 1846
- Michael Magrath baptised 11 Jun 1848
- Catherine Magrath baptised 9 Apr 1850
- Denis Magrath baptised 3 May 1852 at St Michael's, Limerick city, Limerick
- John Magrath baptised 1 Mar 1854
- Denis McGrath baptised 11 Aug 1855
- Honora Magrath baptised 21 Feb 1856
- Terence Magrath baptised 20 Jul 1858
- Maria McGrath baptised 1 Apr 1861
- James Magrath baptised 10 Mar 1864
- Timothy Magrath baptised 24 Sep 1866

Apologies if I have missed any.

Queenie  :)
Title: Re: Denis McGrath
Post by: Kiltaglassan on Thursday 27 April 23 17:33 BST (UK)

Quote
She can be seen with their son Michael on the 1901 census:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Limerick/Kilteely/Kildromin/1491337/

The townland of Kildromin in Kilteely civil parish.
https://www.townlands.ie/limerick/smallcounty/kilteely/kilteely/kildromin/

https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/6004880#map=12/52.5361/-8.4183


Title: Re: Denis McGrath
Post by: heywood on Thursday 27 April 23 18:16 BST (UK)
If you look at the children’s baptisms for Sponsors’ names, they can often be helpful.

I looked earlier, and saw Timothy Collins was a sponsor for a child (can’t remember which sorry) but I also think he was a witness to the marriage.
He could be a brother maybe?
Tithe Applotment records http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/ shows a Timothy Collins in Kildromin in 1826. He may be Catherine’s father?

Title: Re: Denis McGrath
Post by: heywood on Thursday 27 April 23 18:38 BST (UK)
There is a ‘Pat’? Collins baptised 1820 to Tim and Cath Collins
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632738#page/18/mode/1up
Title: Re: Denis McGrath
Post by: heywood on Thursday 27 April 23 19:29 BST (UK)
Just for information and for you to consider.
Denis and Catherine had a daughter, Honora. That might be a family name.
There is a marriage in Kilteely parish https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632738#page/221/mode/1up
22nd February 1838
Thos Cahil to Honora Magrath at Ball…green..
(Difficult to find and read).
Tithe Applotment records show John Magrath at Ballinagreena, Kilteely - 1826
Title: Re: Denis McGrath
Post by: leigh morgan on Thursday 27 April 23 21:54 BST (UK)
Thank you so very much to everyone who has replied so very kind of you all.  I will sift through all you have given me and find more info.
Once again many many thanks

Leigh
Title: Re: Denis McGrath
Post by: wivenhoe on Thursday 27 April 23 23:46 BST (UK)


It will be difficult to locate parents for Denis McGRATH and Catherine COLLINS, married 1844, with any certainty when little information is recorded.

Try to fill in the many gaps regarding later life of their children, beyond Patrick, Johanna and Denis who went to Australia.  Along the way you might find reference to cousins, aunts etc in an era of chain migration.

What do you know about the lives of Patrick, Johanna and Denis in Australia.

Are you doing your own researching or using information that you find in online family trees?
Title: Re: Denis McGrath
Post by: wivenhoe on Friday 28 April 23 00:15 BST (UK)

Using Ancestry family tree -

Grenfell Record and Lachlan District Advertiser  4 Jan 1932 p2
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/112835045?

...obituary for Patrick McGRATH...widower....86 years born Kilteely Limerick arrived at age 23 years......resided with brother Denis McGRATH...two brothers living in Ireland...

Grenfell Record and Lachlan District Advertiser 8 Apr 1913 p8
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/112186044?
...obituary for Honora  wife of Charles BENNETT.....

 
Title: Re: Denis McGrath
Post by: leigh morgan on Friday 28 April 23 06:09 BST (UK)
Thank you so much for your help.  I have followed the three children in Australia and was working back to Ireland.
I am doing my own research with some help from others.
Thank you again for your help

Leigh
Title: Re: Denis McGrath
Post by: wivenhoe on Friday 28 April 23 07:05 BST (UK)

What documentation do you have for BDM events in the lives of Honora, Patrick and Denis ....in Australia?

When/where/what ship....for arrival in Australia for  Honora, Patrick and Denis?
Title: Re: Denis McGrath
Post by: leigh morgan on Friday 28 April 23 08:36 BST (UK)
I have all documents for her arrival to NSW Australia on the ship "Corona" her marriage and births of all her children.
It is the other children Terence, James, Timothy, John and Mary I do not have any information on
Many thanks

Leigh
Title: Re: Denis McGrath
Post by: wivenhoe on Friday 28 April 23 09:14 BST (UK)


Using Ancestry records this is what I see for Honora McGRATH, arriving "Corona", 1879, Sydney -

All New South Wales, Australia, Assisted Immigrant Passenger Lists, 1828-1896

https://www.ancestry.com.au/search/collections/1204/

Name:                           MACGRATH Honora   20 years
Native Place:                  Limerick
Parents names, and , if alive, their residence:   Limerick  **** WILSON   (might be Eliza)
Religious denomination:  RC
Read Write:                    both
Relations in the Colony:   none 

Name:                           ENGLISH Johanna   20 years
Native Place:                  Limerick
Parents names, and , if alive, their residence:   Michael & **** Limerick
Religious denomination:  RC
Read Write:                    both
Relations in the Colony:   John CONWAY   cousin     



New South Wales, Australia, Immigration Deposit Journals, 1853-1900
https://www.ancestry.com.au/search/collections/2000/

Name of Depositor:  John CONWAY
Deposit paid:           3 Dec 1878
Person for whom remittance is made:
                                             Residence             Name & address of referee
ENGLISH Johanna   19 years    Ballinagrana           Thomas FITZGERALD
McGRATH Honora    21 years    Kaldronin
                                              Ireland   

At 1879 and arriving "Corona"    Honora McGRATH has no relatives in the colony.

From the obituary for Patrick McGRATH, died 1932...he is 86 years old and arrived at age 23 years  ......arrived ~ 1869.   

New South Wales, Australia, Immigration Deposit Journals, 1853-1900



Apart from finding names on the NSW BDM index what documents do you have for BDM?                                       



Title: Re: Denis McGrath
Post by: heywood on Friday 28 April 23 09:17 BST (UK)
Maybe Terence

Marriage - 1895 to Margaret Corbett
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1895/10530/5835705.pdf

1911 census

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Limerick/Knockainy/Rathanny/618588/

Death 1947 - informant, nephew William English
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1947/04581/4211604.pdf

William English - the nephew

1901 and 1911 census with mother Catherine Lundon
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Limerick/Kilteely/Ballinlough/1491232/

Marriage
Catherine Magrath and William English 1882
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1882/10963/8007179.pdf

Marriage Catherine English (McGrath) and Michael Lundon
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1895/10539/5839046.pdf

Does that fit with your records for Catherine?
Title: Re: Denis McGrath
Post by: wivenhoe on Friday 28 April 23 09:30 BST (UK)

New South Wales, Australia, Immigration Deposit Journals, 1853-1900
https://www.ancestry.com.au/search/collections/2000/

Arrived  "Smyrna"   1 Feb 1883

Name of Depositor:  John CONWAY Mitchells Rd Alexandria
Deposit paid:           Feby
Person for whom remittance is made:
                                             Residence             Name & address of referee
McGRATH Terence   25 years    Kaldronin PO         Michael FITZGERALD
McGRATH Mary       22 years    Kileely Limerick     Thomas ELLIGOTT

BRADSHAW John    18 years    Ballybroad PO              "         "
                                             Limerick

                                                 
Title: Re: Denis McGrath
Post by: leigh morgan on Friday 28 April 23 11:18 BST (UK)
Thank you, thank you the information on Mary, Terence, and Catherine.  Terence came to Australia on Smyma in 1883 but I could not find any information on death etc.  so he must have gone back home to Ireland.
I cannot thank you enough thank you for your time and effort

Leigh
Title: Re: Denis McGrath
Post by: heywood on Friday 28 April 23 12:32 BST (UK)
You have James baptised 1864.
There is a death in 1865 for a 1yr old James but details are not yet available.
It might be your James.

https://www.rootschat.com/links/01s97/
Title: Re: Denis McGrath
Post by: leigh morgan on Friday 28 April 23 21:22 BST (UK)
Thank you for the information on James I also found that John Conway was reimbursed for Mary's voyage as she did not come to Australia.

Many thanks

Leigh
Title: Re: Denis McGrath
Post by: merrick7 on Thursday 04 May 23 00:29 BST (UK)
The McGrath's are buried in Kilteely

https://historicgraves.com/kilteely/li-ktly-0139/grave

PM me and I will put you in touch with somebody who has researched this family

P J
Title: Re: Denis McGrath
Post by: leigh morgan on Saturday 17 June 23 17:50 BST (UK)
Thank you for putting me in touch with the two gentleman I got wonderful information from them and truly appreciate you passing my query onto them
Many many thanks

Leigh