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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Topic started by: raggyroo on Sunday 07 May 23 13:38 BST (UK)
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hi im tracing my partners tree but i have reached a brick wall with his great grandfather and grandfather on his dads side. i have never had to research irish records before so this is all new to me. i think i found his grandfather on the 1911 census living in glasgow with his parents it says he was born in glasgow but i still cant find a birth for him but on the census also it says both parents born ireland and 2 of his siblings was born in ireland. so on speaking to people one of them said they think his g-grandfater was born at blackrock ireland.
what i have is this as on diffrent certs the mothers name changes but the one on the 1911 cen is this
Hugh McLaren and Susanna McLaren who i have no info on and then their son who at somepoint after marriage changes his last name
Hugh Mclaren B -------M 24 sep 1937 to Williamina Deans glasgow scotland D 24 oct 1976 inverness
scotland
when he died the spelling of his last name was maclennan
any help being pointed in the right direction would help and thank you for reading
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Bit confusing - please post the full 1911 entry with ages/birthplaces
The 1976 death you mention shows his mmn as Wilson
Have you found deaths for the parents on SP which will give their parents names?
What maiden name is shown for his mother on his marriage cert to Williamina
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Can you start by giving us the information from the 1937 marriage certificate. Parents' names, occupations, Hugh's age and address, as well as names of witnesses.
Debra :)
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There’s a Hugh McLennan birth in Blantyre in 1904 in the Scotlandspeople indexes. GROS ref: 624/681. Mother’s maiden name was Williamson. Could that be your Hugh? As CaroleW has said we need a bit more information.
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1901 Blantyre, Lanarkshire
Hugh Mclaren 25 yrs
Susan Mclaren 23 yrs
James Mclaren 4 yrs
Arthur Mclaren 2 yrs
All born Ireland
Marriage Hugh McLernon and Susanna Williamson
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1896/10497/5823006.pdf
Birth for Arthur
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1899/02044/1782818.pdf
Added - birth James
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1897/02132/1809991.pdf
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There’s a Hugh McLennan birth in Blantyre in 1904 in the Scotlandspeople indexes. GROS ref: 624/681. Mother’s maiden name was Williamson. Could that be your Hugh? As CaroleW has said we need a bit more information.
If the above couple are the correct parents then this looks like if might be their marriage in Co. Tyrone- groom's surname McLernon-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1896/10497/5823006.pdf
Son James born 1897-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1897/02132/1809991.pdf
Son Arthur Augustine born 1899-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1899/02044/1782818.pdf
Added- Didn't get notification that last reply was there but looks like we found the same family in Ireland and with heywood posting 1901 census looks like a very good possibility.
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Snap ;)
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hi everyone thank you so much for all the help you have given me and for the leads. here is the info that i have untill i look at the things mentioned.
Hugh McLaren/MacLennan B 24 nov 1904 i got from death cert and havent found the birth cert
M 24 sep 1937 to williamina deans glasgow his parents hugh McLaren coal mining contractor sarah Mclennan deceased no wittnesses it says warrant of sheriff dated 21st sep 1937
D 24 oct 1976 inverness parents on the death cert is hugh maclennan coal miner and sarah wilson informant j maclennan son
1911 census
Hugh McLaren head 36 coal miner ireland
susanna McLaren wife 34 ireland
james McLaren son 13 ireland
arthur McLaren son 12 ireland
Hugh McLaren son 5 lanark
joseph McLaren son 3 lanark
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This looks like it might be Hugh's birth registration-
MCLENNON
HUGH
mother's maiden name- WILLIAMSON
M
1904
624 / 683
BLANTYRE
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There’s a Hugh McLennan birth in Blantyre in 1904 in the Scotlandspeople indexes. GROS ref: 624/681. Mother’s maiden name was Williamson. Could that be your Hugh? As CaroleW has said we need a bit more information.
hi i just looked at this birth cert and yes the date of birth that i got off of the death cert matches the birth cert father Hugh McLennon coal miner susan williamson parents marriage july 1896 Ireland
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This looks like it might be Hugh's birth registration-
MCLENNON
HUGH
mother's maiden name- WILLIAMSON
M
1904
624 / 683
BLANTYRE
yes i think your right i have neen searching with the wrong surname for the mother and some times the wrong name thank you so much for your help
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Other births in Blantyre district- (mother Williamson)
MCLENNAN SARAH JANE WILLIAMSON F 1900 624 / 566
MCLENNON MARY AGNES WILLIAMSON F 1903 624 / 373
MCLENNON HUGH WILLIAMSON M 1904 624 / 683
MCLENNON JOSEPH WILLIAMSON M 1907 624 / 537
MCLENNON ----- WILLIAMSON M 1909 624 / 536
Deaths-
MCLENNAN SARAH JANE 0 WILLIAMSON F 1900 624 / 271
MCLENNAN MARY AGNES 0 WILLIAMSON F 1903 624 / 215
MCLENNON ----- 0 WILLIAMSON M 1909 624 / 187
Sometime less is better- I searched for surnames starting with 'mcle' and then narrowed down by mother's maiden name beginning with 'will'
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Other births in Blantyre district- (mother Williamson)
MCLENNAN SARAH JANE WILLIAMSON F 1900 624 / 566
MCLENNON MARY AGNES WILLIAMSON F 1903 624 / 373
MCLENNON HUGH WILLIAMSON M 1904 624 / 683
MCLENNON JOSEPH WILLIAMSON M 1907 624 / 537
MCLENNON ----- WILLIAMSON M 1909 624 / 536
Deaths-
MCLENNAN SARAH JANE 0 WILLIAMSON F 1900 624 / 271
MCLENNAN MARY AGNES 0 WILLIAMSON F 1903 624 / 215
MCLENNON ----- 0 WILLIAMSON M 1909 624 / 187
Sometime less is better- I searched for surnames starting with 'mcle' and then narrowed down by mother's maiden name beginning with 'will'
Thank you so much wish I had thought on than I was looking all the wrong ways. I can't thank you enough
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There's a couple called James McLernon and Sarah O'Neill who had a run of children from 1865 to 1883 in County Tyrone, an address that crops up in birth records is what I believe to be the townland of Annaghnaboe, which borders the Derrytresk mentioned in that 1896 Hugh McLernon - Susanna Williamson marriage record, their children included a son Hugh in 1873:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1873/03177/2165156.pdf
https://www.townlands.ie/tyrone/dungannon-middle/clonoe/meenagh/annaghnaboe/
Just a possibility to consider.
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There's a couple called Arthur Williamson and Bridget Toal who had a run of children from the 1850s to 1870s in County Tyrone, an address that crops up in birth records is the townland of Lisboy, which is in the vicinity of Carland and Drumconor mentioned in that 1896 Hugh McLernon - Susanna Williamson marriage record, their children included a daughter Susanna born in 1872:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1872/03240/2187108.pdf
https://www.townlands.ie/tyrone/dungannon-middle/donaghmore/donaghmore/lisboy/
Again, just a possibility to consider.
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In the marriage registration posted at reply #4, when Hugh McLernon married Susanna Williamson of 'Drumconnor Carland', daughter of Arthur Williamson (dead), in Donaghmore RC Church in 1896, the two witnesses were Hugh and Mary McMahon.
Just over 4 years earlier in the same church, Hugh McMahon married Mary Williamson of 'Drumconnor Carland', daughter of Arthur Wiliamson (alive):
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1892/10632/5873507.pdf
A Mary Williamson was born at Lisboy to Arthur Williamson and Bridget Toal in July 1867:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1867/03478/2277955.pdf
Note the following folk in the 1901 Ireland Census, I suspect the mother-in-law's age may be understated:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Tyrone/Crossdernot/Drumconor/1735773/
Searching for a death registration for Arthur Williamson between those 1892 and 1896 marriages mentioned above, brings back the following one, it took place at 'Drumconnor' at a reported age of 65 in 1894, he was a married man, the informant who registered the death was his son Arthur:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1894/05960/4694217.pdf
An Arthur Williamson was born at Lisnagowan to Arthur Williamson and Bridget Toal in May 1869:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1869/03400/2246948.pdf
Lisnagowan borders Lisboy:
https://www.townlands.ie/tyrone/dungannon-middle/donaghmore/donaghmore/lisnagowan/
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Just a maybe for the death of Hugh McLernon's mother at Derrytresk in May 1900:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1900/05764/4628775.pdf
Just as an aside, in the Dungannon News of 30 July 1896, under a report about the Dungannon Petty Sessions on 27 July, there is a story about Hugh McLernon being arrested for larceny from his employer, alleged to have happened on 1 July. It mentions how Hugh was seen in a draper's shop on 4 July spending money (on a coat and a vest and a hat), how he borrowed a pound from a witness on the morning of 7 July because he said he was going to get married and was short of money. There was also an issue about a five pound note known to be in his possession which was subsequently found to be spent on wedding cars and so forth. At midnight on 7 July - his wedding night - Hugh was arrested by a police sergeant. The report also includes mention of his father James McLernon of Derrytresk giving evidence to support Hugh.
Anyway, to cut a long story short, Hugh was discharged. I can't imagine that he was too well pleased being arrested on his wedding night.