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Would anyone know how i would find out if my great grandfather came to Ireland from scotland his name was Joseph Campbell his son Thomas Campbell was born around 1860 in Ballymccarott in east Belfast but cant find Josephs birth
My D N A says im 66% Sotch my Mothers side of the tree wnere all born in and around Belfast
Thankyou
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Would anyone know how i would find out if my great grandfather came to Ireland from scotland his name was Joseph Campbell his son Thomas Campbell was born around 1860 in Ballymccarott in east Belfast but cant find Josephs birth
My D N A says im 66% Sotch my Mothers side of the tree wnere all born in and around Belfast
Thankyou
Religion? When and where did Joseph marry? Do you have Joseph in any census records to determine approx. age and place of birth?
The DNA estimate of ethnicity is just that- an estimate- and depending on the company the results can be adjusted from time to time. There was a constant movement of people between Ulster and Scotland over the years so impossible to say that your 66% Scottish indicates that Joseph did or didn't come from Scotland.
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I think Joseph died in the 1880s there was no cencus records in Ireland before 1901 due to civil strife
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One of the sites calculates that I am 0% Irish even though all 16 of my gg grandparents were born in Ireland. As I understand it, it depends what snapshot they are using as a reference point. So if they're modelling the average DNA profile from 500 years ago then yes, probably most of my ancestors did come from outside Ireland at that time.
If your Joseph Campbell died before 1901 then you're unlikely to find a surviving record which explicitly says where he was born. I think your best bet is to find his marriage and work back from there. If Thomas was born in 1860, it is very likely his parents married after 1845, so if they were Protestants you should find their marriage in the Civil Registrations.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/civil-search.jsp
You may need some more background information to be sure you have the right couple though.
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Would anyone know how i would find out if my great grandfather came to Ireland from scotland his name was Joseph Campbell his son Thomas Campbell was born around 1860 in Ballymccarott in east Belfast but cant find Josephs birth
My D N A says im 66% Sotch my Mothers side of the tree wnere all born in and around Belfast
Thankyou
Where do you have the record which shows Ballymccarott?
There is this marriage for Joseph Campbell of Ballymacarett. His spouse is Margaret Watson. He is a Custom House Officer.
Does that match your records?
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1856/09504/5444689.pdf
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Here is an earlier thread
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=854629.0
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I think Joseph died in the 1880s there was no cencus records in Ireland before 1901 due to civil strife
Incorrect- you were given this link by Kiltaglassan in reply #19 in previous topic.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/help/history.html
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Possible death for Joseph? 1885 age 54 (born c1831) in Belfast Workhouse, occupation is clerk.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1885/06301/4806109.pdf
Several newspapers carried a death notice but no residence given although name given as Joseph W. Campbell.
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Ballymacarrett does not contain an O as in the root vegetable, can be spelt with one or two T's (2 is the norm on official maps from 1900 but one on 1840's maps).
https://townlandsofulster.com/2015/04/29/ballymacarrett/
https://www.belfastentries.com/places/ballymacarrett/
https://www.logainm.ie/en/66183
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Too bad OP hasn't relied to any of the posts here :-\
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Hello heywood
The marrage you gave me is the one i have and i think this is the right Joseph Campbell I am just stuck trying to locate any of my Campbell before him
Maybe i should throw thee towel in lol
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Thank you for replying. :) it helps.
From one of your earlier threads, this is the marriage of your ancestor, Thomas Campbell.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1883/10922/5990478.pdf
What makes you ‘think’ that Joseph, the Custom House Officer, is Joseph, a labourer?
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He could have hit hard times and lost his job
I am finding it very hard to find family before Thomas on the Campbell
Traced my mothers side the Morelands back to 1810 with help from Rootschat and Belfast fourm mybe the dont want to be found
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Something else to think about.
When Thomas married in January 1883 his address was 21 Danube Street.
There is a newspaper snippet, July 1883 regarding the death of Mary Jane Campbell, 81 Danube Street, youngest daughter of Joseph Campbell.
Belfast Telegraph.
This is that death
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1883/06355/4823431.pdf
That address is 31 Danube Street and the death reported by her brother Thomas.
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Trying to follow up the address 31 Danube St.
1880 directory lists 3 houses (numbered 1, 3, 5) and "Houses in course of erection"
https://www.lennonwylie.co.uk/dcomplete1880.htm
By 1890 lots more listed- Campbells not at #31-
https://www.lennonwylie.co.uk/dcomplete1890.htm
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Thomas is listed at 31 on PRONI's images of 1884 https://streetdirectories.proni.gov.uk/media/XFg-KemHpFh6w5_-gao40w..a but away by 1887.
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Can anyone find a birth for Mary Jane Campbell about 1866 - with father Joseph?
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Can anyone find a birth for Mary Jane Campbell about 1866 - with father Joseph?
I looked earlier using FamilySearch and another site to check for father named Joseph and this is the closest I could find-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1866/03545/2304813.pdf
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Hi haywood
Could you tell me the newspaper that you got mary campbells death in
Thankyou
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Could you tell me the newspaper that you got mary campbells death in
See reply #13 - Belfast Telegraph
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Thankyou
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Just wanted to add this thread from 2020 from the Belfast Forum www.belfastforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=79427.0
The birth reg for a Mary Jane, with mother Eliza could well fit from this, Aghadowey.
Joseph Jnr's marriage from 1888, for ease, is here https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1888/10764/5925488.pdf
Annie Campbell's marriage to James McCulloch has been mentioned. Not sure we have the link. From 1889 https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1889/10739/5915607.pdf
If these details are correct, then it looks like the early marriage for Joseph Snr to a Margaret Watson is not connected to this line.
Parents of Thomas, Annie, Mary Jane and Joseph would be Joseph Snr, a labourer, and Eliza Heathwood?
Monica
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Cant find a marrage between Joseph Campbell and Eliza Heathwood in the Irish civil records mybe this is my scottish connection
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Just adding this www.belfastforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=80669.0 as you also looked at this on the other forum. Heathwood is a stand out name. Not many occurances in Ireland.
Looking at BMD entries on https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/civil-search.jsp for the surname brings up a good number in Banbridge (where aghadowey found the birth reg for Mary Jane) so worth looking at that registration area for clues perhaps.
Maybe there are new links to be found for the surname :)
Monica
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Thankyou everyone for your help
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Can anybody know the place of birt of Mary Jane Campbell 1st Nov 1865 that Aghadowey posted on this thread in May 2023
Thankyou
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It looks like Loughans - https://www.townlands.ie/down/iveagh-lower-upper-half/tullylish/gilford-town/loughans/