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Title: Ellen Smith, Co. Monaghan
Post by: ab196 on Monday 29 May 23 15:47 BST (UK)

I was wondering if anyone might be able to help break down a brick wall in a family tree please.
I have an Ellen Smith born about 1851. According to an old photograph and family tales she was born in Co. Monaghan, married a John McCaughley from Lurgan, Co. Armagh area about 1882, lived in Lurgan area and died and was buried there in March 1925.
I am trying to discover who her parents and siblings, if any, were and where in Co. Monaghan she was from. Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks.

Title: Re: Ellen Smith, Co. Monaghan
Post by: Elwyn Soutter on Monday 29 May 23 16:08 BST (UK)

Couple of children born in Derrytrasna:

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1886/02596/1958989.pdf

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1888/02520/1933992.pdf


Family in 1901 census which gives a place of birth of Co. Armagh for Ellen.

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Armagh/Montiaghs/Derrytrasna/1027503/

1911 census gives Co Cavan as her birthplace:

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Armagh/Lurgan_Urban/North_Street/296466/

Note that they married c 1881 according to the 1911 census and only 2 children still alive. Can’t see  a marriage for the couple.

Title: Re: Ellen Smith, Co. Monaghan
Post by: heywood on Monday 29 May 23 16:13 BST (UK)

I can see this marriage but the bride is Ellen McAtamney  ???
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1883/10948/8001239.pdf

Title: Re: Ellen Smith, Co. Monaghan
Post by: ab196 on Monday 29 May 23 20:00 BST (UK)

Hi Elwyn Soutter. I have come across some of these details before but thanks for those I didn't have.
Derrytrasna/Montiaghs are close to Lurgan where she is buried. It may be that the area she was born was born in Co. Cavan although the old photo states Co. Monaghan, Perhaps they are close by.

Title: Re: Ellen Smith, Co. Monaghan
Post by: ab196 on Monday 29 May 23 20:04 BST (UK)

Thanks heywood for that marriage detail.
I have come across the name Ellen McAtamney in the past but it would appear she and her family are from Northern Ireland and that is what has been causing the confusion.

Title: Re: Ellen Smith, Co. Monaghan
Post by: heywood on Monday 29 May 23 20:12 BST (UK)

Yes, I saw in at least one tree, those censuses details with the marriage - strange is ‘t it.
The tree also had the death and headstone.

Title: Re: Ellen Smith, Co. Monaghan
Post by: Kiltaglassan on Tuesday 30 May 23 07:41 BST (UK)

From FindaGrave-

Birth: unknown
Death: Mar 1925
Burial: Dougher Cemetery, Lurgan, Co Armagh

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/138497298/ellen-mccaughley

GRONI Online - https://geni.nidirect.gov.uk/

Ellen McCaughley   28th March 1925      74      Female      Lurgan

Title: Re: Ellen Smith, Co. Monaghan
Post by: Kiltaglassan on Tuesday 30 May 23 07:55 BST (UK)

Dougher Cemetery, Victoria Street, Lurgan

https://www.rootschat.com/links/01scf/

https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/12355835#map=17/54.46980/-6.33114

Title: Re: Ellen Smith, Co. Monaghan
Post by: heywood on Tuesday 30 May 23 08:28 BST (UK)

Ellen from that marriage has a different age to the one in the censuses and death.

What do you know about John?

Title: Re: Ellen Smith, Co. Monaghan
Post by: ab196 on Wednesday 31 May 23 19:53 BST (UK)

Thanks Kiltaglassan and heywood

I know very little about John. I'm not even sure that the date of birth is correct as I now have 1841 and 1856 for that and either could be wrong. I know about his children and that only two survived to adulthood. The son stayed in the Lurgan area and the daughter went to America. I don't know who his parents were either.