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Research in Other Countries => United States of America => Topic started by: Lisajb on Sunday 04 June 23 11:19 BST (UK)
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A ships list has a 25 year old Maurice Hyland leaving Queenstown in Ireland for New York in 1902, on board the Oceanic.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:68GW-KXY3
I can’t find him at the other end, having tried Ancestry and familysearch. The only likely candidate, age wise, in the USA 1910 and 1920 census, has an immigration year of 1882.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M58J-QWW
Can SKS see if they can locate him?
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What were his parents names ? Census and immigration dates are not always accurate so discount him in 1910 and 1920.
Here is an obituary for a Maurice J Hyland - born 1876 (seems to say he immigrated when he was 6 years old but again that depends on who knew him and who gave the information)
The Brooklyn Daily Eagle
Brooklyn, New York
Tue, 25 Apr 1939 Page 13
https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-brooklyn-daily-eagle/125829844/
Sandra
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Another document to help you with this Maurice Hyland
New York, U.S., Index to Death Certificates, 1862-1948
Maurice J Hyland - 20 November 1875 Ireland - married - aged 63 years
Residence Street Address 223-06 135 New York
Years in US 60 (take with a pinch of salt)
Death Date 23 Apr 1939 Death Street Address 223-06 135
Death Place New York City, Queens, New York, USA
Cause of Death Carcinoma of Stomach
Burial Date 26 Apr 1939 Holy Cross Cemetery
Father's Birth Place Ireland - Mother's Birth Place Ireland
Father - Maurice Hyland - Mother Catherine Hyland
Spouse Hyland Hyland
Informant Mrs Hyland - Informant Relationship Wife
Executor Margaret Hyland
Executor Relationship Wife
Certificate Number 3170
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2WL7-6S7
Sandra
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Pedigree resource tree - parents appear to be a Maurice Joseph Hyland and Catherine (Kate) Carson
(hence the name of the son born to Maurice and Margaret)
https://www.familysearch.org/tree/pedigree/landscape/9X2G-X8V
Sandra
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Maurice Hyland and Catherine Carson
https://www.genealogy.com/ftm/k/o/p/Ed-Koplos/WEBSITE-0001/UHP-0140.html
https://www.myheritage.com/names/margaret_gallogly
Sandra
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My chap is born 1877 in Robinstown, County Westmeath, Ireland, the son of Edward and Eliza nee Coghlan.
He’s a 25 year old servant in Irish 1901 census, not living with his parents. Not been able to track him down in 1911 census so far, but may be time for another look.
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So you can discount the 1910 and 1920 census - good to have more background info
Sandra
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Thanks for looking, Sandra - much appreciated.
Back to Ireland to see if I can find him.
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He does make it to New York aboard the Oceanic, indexed as Calli Hyland (with Morris pencilled in over Calli); aged 25, says he's from Mullingar and seems to be travelling with two others:
https://www.ancestry.ca/imageviewer/collections/7488/images/NYT715_270-0060?backlabel=ReturnSearchResults&queryId=07142885d84a342bd2cdb7aa1b9a9ee0&pId=4001582172
Bound for a Jos. Galen(?), address illegible in New York City; the woman above Jane Galt also from Mullingar says she is bound for the same place and it says "to brother" so perhaps Joseph's last name is Galt. In the outbound record, Jane's last name looks like Folk.
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He does make it to New York aboard the Oceanic, indexed as Calli Hyland (with Morris pencilled in over Calli); aged 25, says he's from Mullingar and seems to be travelling with two others:
https://www.ancestry.ca/imageviewer/collections/7488/images/NYT715_270-0060?backlabel=ReturnSearchResults&queryId=07142885d84a342bd2cdb7aa1b9a9ee0&pId=4001582172
Bound for a Jos. Galen(?), address illegible in New York City; the woman above Jane Galt also from Mullingar says she is bound for the same place and it says "to brother" so perhaps Joseph's last name is Galt. In the outbound record, Jane's last name looks like Folk.
Aha! Brilliant find. I have just been wondering what had happened to the chap who left Queenstown in 1902, just to rule him in or out.
Thank you.
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On the off chance he returned to Westmeath - have you checked the marriages in 1907 ?
Maurice Hyland
Date of Registration 1907, Jul-Aug-Sep Mullingar, Ireland
Volume 3 Page number 241
choices were :-
Michael Hope
Margaret Ryan
Anne Connell
Edward Gavagan
Maurice Hyland
Sandra
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Is this Maurice in 1901 ?
1901 census Robinstown, Carrick, Westmeath, Ireland.
Laurence Gavin 35 Head of Family (Head)
Mary Gavin 30 Wife
Mary J Gavin10 Daughter
Sarah Gavin 8 Daughter
Lissie Gavin 7 Daughter
Patrick Gavin 5 Son
Mark Antony Gavin Son
Mary Bunny 45 Servant
Maurice Hyland 25 Servant
Richard Corcoran 23 Servant
Joseph Gavin 14 Servant
Sandra
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Is this Maurice in 1901 ?
1901 census Robinstown, Carrick, Westmeath, Ireland.
Laurence Gavin 35 Head of Family (Head)
Mary Gavin 30 Wife
Mary J Gavin10 Daughter
Sarah Gavin 8 Daughter
Lissie Gavin 7 Daughter
Patrick Gavin 5 Son
Mark Antony Gavin Son
Mary Bunny 45 Servant
Maurice Hyland 25 Servant
Richard Corcoran 23 Servant
Joseph Gavin 14 Servant
Sandra
That’s him, yes.
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On the off chance he returned to Westmeath - have you checked the marriages in 1907 ?
Maurice Hyland
Date of Registration 1907, Jul-Aug-Sep Mullingar, Ireland
Volume 3 Page number 241
choices were :-
Michael Hope
Margaret Ryan
Anne Connell
Edward Gavagan
Maurice Hyland
Sandra
I wish it was, but unless the registrar has made a mistake, my man’s father is Edward Hyland.
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That list does not include fathers - Those were the people that got married in 1907 - so the choice for Maurice would be Margaret Ryan, Anne Connell or the missing name ?
Sandra
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On the off chance he returned to Westmeath - have you checked the marriages in 1907 ?
Maurice Hyland
Date of Registration 1907, Jul-Aug-Sep Mullingar, Ireland
Volume 3 Page number 241
choices were :-
Michael Hope
Margaret Ryan
Anne Connell
Edward Gavagan
Maurice Hyland
Sandra
These marriages are online. Unfortunately this Maurice's father is noted as Maurice:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1907/10100/5674748.pdf
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Ok got you.
Sandra
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He does make it to New York aboard the Oceanic, indexed as Calli Hyland (with Morris pencilled in over Calli); aged 25, says he's from Mullingar and seems to be travelling with two others:
https://www.ancestry.ca/imageviewer/collections/7488/images/NYT715_270-0060?backlabel=ReturnSearchResults&queryId=07142885d84a342bd2cdb7aa1b9a9ee0&pId=4001582172
Bound for a Jos. Galen(?), address illegible in New York City; the woman above Jane Galt also from Mullingar says she is bound for the same place and it says "to brother" so perhaps Joseph's last name is Galt. In the outbound record, Jane's last name looks like Folk.
Jane is coming up as Talt on ancestry
Jane Talt - 1882 Queenstown Ireland
Age: 20
Arrival Date: 24 Apr 1902 - Arrival Port: New York, New York, USA
Ship Name: Oceanic
Sandra
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Jane Talt married on a 1908 trip ?
Jane Monaghan - 1881 Westmeath - married 27 years
[Jane Talt]
Other Birth Place: Westmeath New York, US
Departure Port: Londonderry - Arrival Date: 16 Nov 1908 New York
Height: 5 Feet, 5 Inches - Hair Colour: Dark
Eye Colour: Blue - Complexion: Fair
Money in Possession: 300
Person in Old Country: J. Talt
Person in Old Country Relationship: Father
Person in Old Country Residence: Co Westmeath
Person in US: Mick Mullaly
Person in US Relationship: Cousin
Father: J. Talt
Ship Name: Columbia
Sandra
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Not that it is helping - This could be Jane in 1910 W134 St Manhattan Ward 12, New York, New York.
John Leaman 60
Alice Talt 31
Jane Monahan 30 Imm 1908.
James Byrnes 30
Patrick Talt 28
James Morahan 27 Imm 1908. Mechanic.
John Bradley 18
Sandra
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I think the name is actually Folk as written on the UK outbound record. Doesn't help us find her altho' I did find his other traveling companion, Julie McCormick, as a servant in NY in the 1905 and 1910 census. The ticket numbers are sequential so the were bought together. Jane had been in the US before as well as Julie. Maurice's first trip.
https://www.ancestry.ca/discoveryui-content/view/44744741:2997?tid=&pid=&queryId=4722ba6bd8c1851354b397207ea36306&_phsrc=PDz46502&_phstart=successSource
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New York Passenger List for Joseph Tait born 1877 (brother of Jane ?)
Joseph Talt 1877 - aged 21 years - Mulligar and Westmeath - Queenstown Ireland to New York arriving 25 April 1898 on the Umbria. Going to cousin Mary (M)angan, 237 E 37 Street New York.
Joseph Talt - Birth Date 17 Apr 1877 Westmeath, Ireland
Father John Talt - Mother Jane Talt Donahoe
Best of luck will leave Eileen to sort it for you.
Sandra
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That list does not include fathers - Those were the people that got married in 1907 - so the choice for Maurice would be Margaret Ryan, Anne Connell or the missing name ?
Sandra
Yes, I know, have just looked on irishgeneslogy.ie to see the register image. That Maurice Hyland’s father is given as Maurice Hyland.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1907/10100/5674748.pdf
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I think the name is actually Folk as written on the UK outbound record. Doesn't help us find her altho' I did find his other traveling companion, Julie McCormick, as a servant in NY in the 1905 and 1910 census. The ticket numbers are sequential so the were bought together. Jane had been in the US before as well as Julie. Maurice's first trip.
https://www.ancestry.ca/discoveryui-content/view/44744741:2997?tid=&pid=&queryId=4722ba6bd8c1851354b397207ea36306&_phsrc=PDz46502&_phstart=successSource
I’ve found Jane on the Ellis Island website, but cannot turn up the record for Maurice/Morris/Calli.
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Can US censuses be searched by address?
I think the address written alongside the entry on the passenger list is 194 Lexington, Newport City, which seems to be in Brooklyn.
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Good eyes reading that. Not searchable by address I believe, but the Brooklyn directories are all available online. Browseable.
https://archive.org/details/brooklynpubliclibrary?&sort=date&page=2
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Can US censuses be searched by address?
I think the address written alongside the entry on the passenger list is 194 Lexington, Newport City, which seems to be in Brooklyn.
The last line of that address is definitely New York City, since the final destination is listed as New York. There is a Lexington Avenue in Brooklyn and one in Manhattan, but I think they would likely be referring to the one in Manhattan if Brooklyn wasn't specified.
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If it is New York, those directories are also available:
https://digitalcollections.nypl.org/collections/new-york-city-directories#/?tab=about&scroll=124
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Thank you all for your help with this - I now know that he did get to America.
However, he seemed to be determined not to be found after arrival, so I think I may have to file him in my “Too Difficult” bucket!
Everyone efforts are really appreciated.
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Sorry to intrude on your post - but a year earlier - the Oceanic was responsible for the death of my GG Grandfather from Garston,Liverpool - thought you might like to know what happened ?
copied and pasted
The steamship KINCORA Ss, Capt. Power, plying between Limerick and Liverpool, was run down off the Tuskar Rock in St. George's Channel by the White Star liner Oceanic, 17,274 tons, Capt. Cameron, at 1.15 a.m. on August 8th, 1901, in thick fog.
7 of the crew of the SS Kincora died - only one was found - my GG Grandfather and he is buried in Fethard on Sea close to Tuska Rock in Ireland - I have been to his grave to lay flowers
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if you want me to delete this post - let me know :)
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Can US censuses be searched by address?
I think the address written alongside the entry on the passenger list is 194 Lexington, Newport City, which seems to be in Brooklyn.
The last line of that address is definitely New York City, since the final destination is listed as New York. There is a Lexington Avenue in Brooklyn and one in Manhattan, but I think they would likely be referring to the one in Manhattan if Brooklyn wasn't specified.
I searched (Anc*try) for 1910 “194 Lexington” New York
Result: Francis Xavier Scott. Marriage Affidavit Date - 29 Aug 1910. Marriage Date and Place - 25 Sep 1910, Manhattan, New York, New York
Residence Street Address - 194 Lexington Ave
1910 Manhattan, NY Census
Francis X. Scott. Age 26. Born in NY, parents born in Ireland.
Address looks like 114 Lexington but listed directly underneath is 192 Lexington so it most likely is 194.
Others in household:
J? Jensen, Annie M. Jensen, Robert Schultz, Chas. M. McEniff?, Adolph Peetz?, and Herbert Lasker?
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Sorry to intrude on your post - but a year earlier - the Oceanic was responsible for the death of my GG Grandfather from Garston,Liverpool - thought you might like to know what happened ?
copied and pasted
The steamship KINCORA Ss, Capt. Power, plying between Limerick and Liverpool, was run down off the Tuskar Rock in St. George's Channel by the White Star liner Oceanic, 17,274 tons, Capt. Cameron, at 1.15 a.m. on August 8th, 1901, in thick fog.
7 of the crew of the SS Kincora died - only one was found - my GG Grandfather and he is buried in Fethard on Sea close to Tuska Rock in Ireland - I have been to his grave to lay flowers
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if you want me to delete this post - let me know :)
Happy for this to be left.
The White Star line do seem to have been a bit slapdash, the Oceanic had a few incidents before finally sinking. And we all know what happened to one of their other ships ....
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Can US censuses be searched by address?
I think the address written alongside the entry on the passenger list is 194 Lexington, Newport City, which seems to be in Brooklyn.
The last line of that address is definitely New York City, since the final destination is listed as New York. There is a Lexington Avenue in Brooklyn and one in Manhattan, but I think they would likely be referring to the one in Manhattan if Brooklyn wasn't specified.
I searched (Anc*try) for 1910 “194 Lexington” New York
Result: Francis Xavier Scott. Marriage Affidavit Date - 29 Aug 1910. Marriage Date and Place - 25 Sep 1910, Manhattan, New York, New York
Residence Street Address - 194 Lexington Ave
1910 Manhattan, NY Census
Francis X. Scott. Age 26. Born in NY, parents born in Ireland.
Address looks like 114 Lexington but listed directly underneath is 192 Lexington so it most likely is 194.
Others in household:
J? Jensen, Annie M. Jensen, Robert Schultz, Chas. M. McEniff?, Adolph Peetz?, and Herbert Lasker?
I’m wondering whether 194 Lexington might have been a lodging or boarding house?