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Trying to identify the father of Annie Spencer whose marriage to Thomas Henry Sleath was registered at Basford in Q4 1897. Likely married in the Ilkeston/Cotmanhay/Shipley area. I can't find their marriage info on the free sites so would appreciate it if someone could see if there is a parish register entry for their marriage on ancestry. Thanks.
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I don't believe there is a parish register entry for this marriage on either Ancestry or FindMyPast. FindMyPast gives the location as Chapel, Babbington, Derbyshire.
Queenie :)
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1901
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XSN4-NXJ
Annie Sleath 21 born about 1880 Belper, Derbyshire
1881 Over Lane, Belper, Derbyshire
Reuben Spencer Head 25 1856 Colliers labourer Belper, Derbyshire, England
Elizabeth Spencer Wife 32 1849 - Leicester, Leicestershire, England
William Spencer Son 6 1875 Scholar Belper, Derbyshire, England
Ann Spencer Daughter 4 1877 Scholar Belper, Derbyshire, England
Two registrations 1878 on freebmd Basford & Belper might be worth a look.
Colin
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Belper is the likeliest. Basford RD did not include Belper
https://www.ukbmd.org.uk/reg/districts/basford.html
https://www.ukbmd.org.uk/reg/districts/belper.html
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1901
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XSN4-NXJ
Annie Sleath 21 born about 1880 Belper, Derbyshire
1881 Over Lane, Belper, Derbyshire
Reuben Spencer Head 25 1856 Colliers labourer Belper, Derbyshire, England
Elizabeth Spencer Wife 32 1849 - Leicester, Leicestershire, England
William Spencer Son 6 1875 Scholar Belper, Derbyshire, England
Ann Spencer Daughter 4 1877 Scholar Belper, Derbyshire, England
Two registrations 1878 on freebmd Basford & Belper might be worth a look.
Colin
Thanks but Ann(ie) daur of Reuben and Elizabeth Jane Spencer (née King) isn't her.
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I don't believe there is a parish register entry for this marriage on either Ancestry or FindMyPast. FindMyPast gives the location as Chapel, Babbington, Derbyshire.
Queenie :)
Thanks!
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UPDATED WRONG FAMILY
UNNAMED CHILD IS ALICE IN 1881
There is an unnamed female child registered Basford 1877 mother's maiden name Statham
This couple also had
Thirza 1873
James 1875 died 1878 age 2
unnamed female 1877*
Aaron 1880
Daisy 1882
Ruth 1884
Moses 1886
James 1888
Mabel 1889
Julia 1894
Esther 1895
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Just want to throw this into the mix.
Freebmd
Births Sep 1879
SPENCER Annie Beardsley Belper 7b 530
Cannot find on GRO
Baptism, 20th November 1879 Belper, Mother Mary Elizabeth Spencer- single woman
1939 reg records dob 29th June 1879 --would fit with sq registration.
John
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Just want to throw this into the mix.
Freebmd
Births Sep 1879
SPENCER Annie Beardsley Belper 7b 530
Cannot find on GRO
Baptism, 20th November 1879 Belper, Mother Mary Elizabeth Spencer- single woman
1939 reg records dob 29th June 1879 --would fit with sq registration.
John
I think that's the one! Thank you!
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Do you have Annies death details and her probate record, details of Daughter Mary Lucy, who she married, children and death
John
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Is this her in 1891?
1891 Census
Lodge Farm, Shipley Wharf
William Beardsley 68 Head Mar Farmer
Mary A Beardsley 71 Wife
George Beardsley 36 Son Unm
ANNIE Spencer 11 Granddaughter born Belper******
Joseph Grundy 62 Servant
Ernest Tym 19 Servant
Henry Linley 19 Servant
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1881 Census
Belper Dally, Duffield
Phillip Spencer 69 Head FWK born Belper
Eliza Spencer 71 Wife born Jersey, Channel Islands
Mary C. Spencer 19 Granddaughter born Stanley
Anne B. Spencer 1 Granddaughter no pob
Mary C may be Mary E as hard to make out and Anne B her Daug and their Great Grandchild
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IF I am right Mary married March 1891 Reg Basford to George Henry MORRALL under the name Mary BEARDSLEY
1891/1901/1911 she is born c 1864 Shottle
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Is this her in 1891?
1891 Census
Lodge Farm, Shipley Wharf
William Beardsley 68 Head Mar Farmer
Mary A Beardsley 71 Wife
George Beardsley 36 Son Unm
ANNIE Spencer 11 Granddaughter born Belper******
Joseph Grundy 62 Servant
Ernest Tym 19 Servant
Henry Linley 19 Servant
Hi Trish1120, my taking on that census is that Annie is the daughter of George Beardsley. In brackets it says occupation farmers assistant "son", Annie Spencer farmers assistant "grand daughter".
George Beardsley baptised 15.3.1857, born 6.10.1856, son of Mary Anne & William of Handley Shottle
He appears in 1939 with same dob and dies 1944, leaving a probate record.
George went on to marry a Hannah Sims 22nd March 1899. Hannah Beardsley died 18.12.1918. left a probate record mentioning husband George. No children according to 1911 census to George and Hannah
1891/1911/1921 records Georges birthplace as Shottle
John
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Just adding that in 1901 census Thomas H Sleath, Annie Sleath and Mary L(Lucy) Sleath are living next door to George H Morral and Mary Morral (Mary died aged 74 in 1938)
John
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Is this her in 1891?
1891 Census
Lodge Farm, Shipley Wharf
William Beardsley 68 Head Mar Farmer
Mary A Beardsley 71 Wife
George Beardsley 36 Son Unm
ANNIE Spencer 11 Granddaughter born Belper******
Joseph Grundy 62 Servant
Ernest Tym 19 Servant
Henry Linley 19 Servant
Hi Trish1120, my taking on that census is that Annie is the daughter of George Beardsley. In brackets it says occupation farmers assistant "son", Annie Spencer farmers assistant "grand daughter".
George Beardsley baptised 15.3.1857, born 6.10.1856, son of Mary Anne & William of Handley Shottle
He appears in 1939 with same dob and dies 1944, leaving a probate record.
George went on to marry a Hannah Sims 22nd March 1899. Hannah Beardsley died 18.12.1918. left a probate record mentioning husband George. No children according to 1911 census to George and Hannah
1891/1911/1921 records Georges birthplace as Shottle
John
This is my conclusion too - Annie was the illegitimate daughter of George Beardsley and Mary Elizabeth Spencer - Mary Elizabeth Spencer being the daughter of William[typo] John, son of Philip and Eliza who she is with on the 1881 census and correctly described as their g-daur (Annie being their great-g-daur). Mary Morrel was George's brother, living together in 1921, so the family was close.
Thanks for your help.
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What evidence have you found that Mary Elizabeth Spencer c 1864 is the daughter of William Spencer son of Philip. William married Emma Shipley in 1867
John
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Mary Elizabeth Spencer is the daughter of John Spencer (jq 1839 Belper) & Hannah Greatorex.
They married 15th November 1858
SPENCER, MARY ELIZABETH mmn GREATOREX
GRO Reference: 1863 D Quarter in CHESTERFIELD UNION IN THE COUNTY OF DERBY Volume 07B Page 518
1871 census on anc as surname Spenser ref Piece 3609 Folio 68 Page number 3
1881 census ref Piece 4609 Folio 56 Page number 43
SPENCER, SAM GREATRIX
GRO Reference: 1874 M Quarter in BARNSLEY UNION Volume 09C Page 222
John and Hannah can be found in 1900 US census
John Spencer's death
Name John Spencer
Gender Male
Race White
Death Age 66
Birth Date 5 Apr 1840
Birth Place Drbyshire England
Death Date 25 Jan 1907
Death Place Hazle, Luzerne, Pennsylvania, USA
Father
Philip Spencer
Mother
Elizabeth Mosson
John's birth
SPENCER, JOHN MUSSON
GRO Reference: 1839 J Quarter in BELPER UNION Volume 19 Page 392
Lots of John & Hannah's children stayed in the United States. Enjoy the search, really interesting
John
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Just bookmarking as no time to read this all yet :)