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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Tipperary => Topic started by: aus*jen on Sunday 09 July 23 08:53 BST (UK)
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Would appreciate knowing the location of the place name which appears to be Rathlevane.
Tipperary in a lease deed in 1771.
Regards,
Jen.
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I agree it looks like Rathlevane - but although there are several similar place names on the Irish Townland website - I can't see one spelt exactly the same unfortunately.
No doubt you have looked, but just in case;
https://thecore.com/seanruad/
I input 'rath' as the start of the name in the townland search box. You may want to try other parts of the name, as the options are flexible.
Good Luck with it. Sorry not to have come up with anything for you.
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Hello -
There is a civil parish in Tipperary named Rathlynin.
craggagh.
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Hi Pennines, Thankyou for your interest and help, I was not aware of the website, great to have
for future reference. The document was signed at Thurles and the family remained
in that area for 150 years. Using the website I have located a place called Caplevane
which is a similar sounding name and close enough to Thurles to be considered.
I will note it as a possible location.
Craggagh, Thanks also for your suggestion :D
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Using the website I have located a place called Caplevane which is a similar sounding name and close enough to Thurles to be considered.
Caplevane in Co Offaly and about 65 km from Thurles.
https://www.townlands.ie/offaly/garrycastle/lusmagh/lusmagh/caplevane/
https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/4148597#map=10/52.9817/-7.7097 (showing Roscrea and Templemore with Thurles further south)
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Hi Jen -- I am so pleased that you are now aware of that Townland website, if you didn't know about it before. It can be really useful.
Irish research is often so frustrating, as I know, (I am allowed to say that, as my paternal grandmother was Irish!! By coincidence she also came from Tipperary.)
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Too difficult and too late to try and read now but here is Rathlevane again.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSNX-ZGZS?i=283&cat=185720
About half way down left hand page
And the memorial (the first one in the index)
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSH3-97YC-N?i=369&cat=185720
Starts on the left and continues on the right.
Hopefully there is a clue in that mess as to where it is.
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Kiltaglassan, Thankyou for the maps, very helpful :D :)
Pennines, Thanks for your guidance, couldn't agree more on Irish research, the place names
are very challenging ;D
Sinann, I greatly appreciate your help, your link to the family search site is a gem, I've been
visiting the library to read the deeds, I was unaware they were on FS. ??? ;D
Regards,
Jen.
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IF I’m reading this correctly Rathlevane is 93 acres and 1 rood and is in the Barony of Middlethird.
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Found another one
On the right hand page 4th line from top, is that an alias for Rathlevane
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSH3-338L-N?i=415&cat=185720
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Certainly does seem like it.
Read the line as 'part of -------scollop alias Rathlevane the town and lands of Banochstown and Co--'
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Yes, Sinann I see the Barony of Middle third but I can't read what comes before scollop, perhaps
there is a double 's' there. Using the website again there is a Bannixtown in South Riding
Tipperary Middle third, Cashel. Couldn't locate Banochstown. Where would I look on the
map for Middle third please?
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Where would I look on the map for Middle third please?
Use townlands.ie https://www.townlands.ie/
Here's the Barony of Middlethird in Co Tipperary
https://www.townlands.ie/tipperary/middlethird/
...and OpenStreetMap
https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/6394102
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Fantastic finds Sinann and Kiltaglassan!!
Presumably there must be a Top Third and Bottom Third as well! (Only joking).
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Presumably there must be a Top Third and Bottom Third as well! (Only joking).
Not in Tipperary there ain't, Pennines ;D ;D
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I think it says Crowscallop but it didn't help.
Now up to 1838, this one doesn't seem to help with where it is but at least it's still getting a mention.
Number 36, Rathlevane is mentioned on the next page
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSJW-C9KJ-F?i=444&cat=185720
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1849 and we have the alias again
Croomscallop right hand page
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSJ4-4V1L?i=55&cat=185720
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1852 Number 10
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSJW-JY35?i=10&cat=185720
Haven't read it yet, need a break.
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That is amazing work Sinann, thankyou.
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You have nailed this Shinann www.landedestates.ie/estate/3150 Bannockstown spelled
multiple ways. The map indicates the general area of Cashel. That is within reasonable
distance of Thurles.
Thankyou,
Jen.
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Not quite yet.
This one in 1873
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS54-WWRV?i=287&cat=185720
bottom of right hand page, gives the impression it's next to Fryars Grange.
There is a Friers Grange in the Civil Parish of Coolmudry which is in the Barony of Middlethird.
So I think Rathlevane is in Coolmudry or right next to it. Granted the spelling is slightly different so not 100% sure it the same place.
Up to 1894 and always Rathlevane is listed with lots of other places in big exchanges/leasing of land of 100s of acres.
It almost always appears with Downsallagh, another place I can't find.
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Finally something.
1924, I couldn't believe it was still being listed.
Rathlevane known on the OS as part of the lands of Brannoxtown and part of the lands of ?
Left hand side in the County Tipperary section
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSK3-9W73-Y?i=89&cat=185720
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Rathlevane known on the OS as part of the lands of Brannoxtown and part of the lands of ?
Looks like Crumpscastle, but there is a Crampscastle in the Barony of Middlethird.
https://www.townlands.ie/tipperary/middlethird/peppardstown/peppardstown/crampscastle/
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Thankyou Sinann and Kiltaglassan, that is a great result achieved only through your tenacity
in reading the deeds of lease and more importantly being able to interpret the results. Your help
is appreciated ;D
Regards,
Jen.
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Your welcome but the horrid wet day yesterday deserves all the thanks.
BTW came across this during the search, right hand page, maybe they were having a horrid wet day as well. :D
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSNX-ZGJB?i=288&cat=185720
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Someone has a sense of humour ;D