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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Staffordshire => Topic started by: ASmithy on Tuesday 18 July 23 11:00 BST (UK)
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I have been trying to locate the Arblaster's that lived in the Brownshill Norton/Norton Canes area of Staffordshire however seem to be struggling when using FamilySearch.
I have got to a Henry Arblaster whose partner was Maria. He was born around 1805 in Brownshill.
I believe I have come across a baptism record for him, but not 100% sure. The baptism record I found was for Henry Allblaster who was baptized on 2 Nov 1806 - Norton Canes, Staffordshire. His mother is Violetta and his father is Charles.
Upon looking on FamilySearch nothing really shows for other potential siblings.
I see that there are trees on Genenet, however I have had bad experiences with following these sort of 'sources' so therefore decided to refuse to look at them.
I appreciate any help.
Thank you
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Charlotte
www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NG72-FRC
FindMyPast also has William 1803 and Ann 1809
Charlotte and Henry under Allblaster and Alblaster, mother of Ann is Violet and baptisms at St James the Great.
Images on FindMyPast.
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Could this be his marriage?
www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:V5V6-L8N
ADDED
This seems to be their first child
www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NGC8-RM9
There is a Tree attached if they are the correct pair, you may recognize some of the names. I can't say if it is accurate or not. Many more siblings on there.
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Trying using FreeReg
Searching for Arblaster, Norton Canes. (49 records in total)
Without putting a place, too many Arblaster's come up.
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Norton Canes, St James the Great
baptism date: 12 May 1816
Samuel
father: Charles (residence, Brownhills, occupation: Collier)
mother: Violette
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same church and parents and occupation of Charles
Mary Anne
baptism date: 9 June 1822
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On FreeREG using the surnames spelt ALBASTER
St James the Great, Norton Canes
baptism date: 13 April 1800
Charlotte ALBASTER
daughter of
Charles & Violetta
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30 Jan 1803
William
son of
Charles and Violette
Person abode: Brownhills
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Freereg, does have : Staffordshire, Pelsall
and referring to Henry's baptism on Family Search (previous Contributor)
Baptism date:
27 April 1827
Henry son of
Henry and Maria ALBLASTER
Person abode: Brownhills
father's occupation: Miner
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again the marriage is on Freereg
West Bromwich, All Saints
12 September 1825
Henry ALLBLESTER - bachelor
Maria THOMPSON - Spinster
(both of West Bromwich)
witnesses:
George THOMPSON and Sarah CLEDAN
Notes: Bride & Witness 2 sign X
also this record
same wedding couple same day
Henry ALLBLESTER and Maria THOMPSON
this record with NOTES: With consent of parents. Bride and witness 2 sign by mark.
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Thank you all.
I thought I had time to do a bit more research. On this. I will have to look back on it in the weekend. I just didn’t want you to think I’ve ignored the advice.
Thank you for the advice at the moment.
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Firstly, I want to apologize for not being able to get back to doing this sooner. I believe I have more than enough time now to focus my research on this line again. I want to say thank you to users Capetown and Comberton for your responses and patience.
Secondly, I have done a little bit more research from when I previously posted;
I have found that Charles Arblaster [Allblaster/Alblaster/Abaster] and Violetta [Violet/Violette/Viletty/Vioalette/Lettea/Letitia] had baptised AT LEAST 13 Children, 10 of whom were at the same Church in Norton Canes, Staffordshire.
- Charlotte Albaster - 13 Apr 1800 - St James the Great Church
- Mary (?) - [MISSING BAPTISM] - BURIED; 31 Jan 1802 - St James the Great Church
- William Albaster - 30 Jan 1803 - St James the Great Church
- Charles Albaster - 31 Mar 1805 - St James the Great Church
- Henry Alblaster - 02 Nov 1806 - St James the Great Church
- Ann Alblaster - 05 Mar 1809 - St James the Great Church
- Thomas Alblaster - 15 Mar 1812 - St James the Great Church
- Phineas Alblaster - 10 Apr 1814 - St James the Great Church - BURIED; 08 May 1814 - St James the Great Church
- Edward Alblaster - 10 Apr 1814 - St James the Great Church - BURIED; 25 Jun 1814 - St James the Great Church
- Vioaletta (?) - [MISSING BAPTISM] - BURIED; 09 Jun 1815 - St James the Great Church
- Samuel Arblaster - 12 May 1816 - St James the Great Church
- Vioalitte Alblaster - 29 Nov 1818 - St Michael and All Angels Church in Pelsall, Staffordshire
- Mary Anne Arblaster - 09 Jun 1822 - St James the Great Church
NOTE; There is another baptism record for a James Allblaster with a father Charles Allblaster and mother ELIZABETH on 03 Mar 1799 at St Matthews Church in Walsall, Staffordshire. A lot of 'Trees' seem to suggest this is a son of Charles. However, I am not sure if this is a child of the Charles that we are looking at though
NOTE; Henry Alblaster is the Henry Alblaster who married Maria Thompson on 12 Sep 1825 at All Saints Church in West Bromwich. The witnesses were George Thompson and Sarah Cledam, as posted by Capetown.
NOTE; There are family trees that support a claim to a John Arblaster in around 1810. I am, however, unable to find this on FreeReg.
NOTE; I am yet to identify a marriage between Charles and Violetta. There appear to be multiple 'trees' on Ancestry, FS, and Genenet which give the date 25th March 1799. However there are no sources attached to this, and my extensive search for a marriage or any possibility of a marriage were not successful.
If anyone is able to help with the above notes or anything that may not look right or to even add anything, I would be very grateful for your time. Thank you
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Good Morning
You mention a Charles Allbaster and wife Elizabeth, Ithink this may well be Charles's father.
Charles Senior born 1750 was a farmer in the area.
He had a first wife Mary by whom he had
Elizabeth 17 Oct 1773 Rushall
Richard 21 Oct 1775 at Rushall -2 July 1849 Longdon of Brook House Lyswys (age 76) Will £3000 to sons Amos ,Richard and Stephen. Married Charlotte Craddock 24.3.1799 Cannock
Charles age 26 of Rushall widower then remarried to Elizabeth Salt age 26 a widow 0f Aldridge by licence 15 Oct 1777 again at Aldridge wit William Stinton The clerk? and Edward Winsor farmer of Rushall and the bondsman for the licence.
Further children followed
Charles 28.9.1778 at Stowe nr Lichfield
Sarah 4 Deb 1781 Aldridge
Alley daughter Walsall 27 May 1783
James 29 Jan 1786 Walsall
John 2 Nov 1788 Walsall
Margaret (married John Turner 4.10.1813 Longdon ) buried St Chad Lichfield 6.9.1860 age 75 died at Sutton Coldfield- census says born 1788 and 1793.
and William 31.8.1794 Walsall possible burial Norton canes 1792-6.4.1842 collier of Walsall Wood
James 3 March 1799 Walsall -26 April 1868 Ogley Hay of Clayhanger miner
Charles dies 21 Jan 1817 at Shenstone of Bloxwich age 67 years
His Will states he is a farmer of Walsall Foriegn mentions wife Elizabeth (personal property ),eldest son Richard 1 shilling and 5 surviving children Charles ,Sarah Kawford a widow,Peggy w of John Turner ,William and James. The residue of the estate to be split between them and his wife.
Executor nephew Daniel (the son of Brother Edmund/Edward and his wife Mary nee Turner bapt 5 Jan 1779 Walsall) Worth £40
Widow Elizabeth buried Shenstone 5 Aug 1829 age 81 of Clarigh or Bloxwich.
The family all fit together quite well
So we have Charles junior 1778-1858 Ogley Hay
Charles senior 1750-1817 and Elizabeth Salt 1748-1829
Richard his father and his mother Elizabeth Allen married 5.11.1747 Weeford . Richard's Will Baldhay Slade Rugeley 1798 (indexed 1796) buried 26 June 1798 .Farmer
Sons Charles 1750 ,Edward/Edmund 1753 ,James 1755 ,daughter Mary Turner 1751 and second wife Sarah Gorton married Rugeley 22.11.1769.Nephew Charles of Stone.
Bapt Rugeley 23 June 1723 s of Charles and Ann.
There's plenty more out there but it does seem to cover all the Arblaster's in the area.
Hopefully
Maybe that helps
ps I'm thinking
Violetta Smith bapt 5.11.1780 Pelsall d of William and Hannah Smith of Norton for the wife.
Ciderdrinker
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Good Morning
Thank you for all this information Ciderdrinker!
I believe you could be right with all this new information you have found! So James, who was baptism record I found between a Charles and Elizabeth was actually the brother of Charles who 'married' Violette?
Talking about that, you breifly mention that you believe Violetta being the Violetta baptised in 1780 in Pelsall, Staffordshire. May I ask why you believe that please? I am still struggling to find a marriage record for them and why people have the 25th March 1799 as the date of marriage.
Anyway, thank you, you have gave me a push to explore this line!
Thank you!
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Hi
Again
For Violetta ,I just looked for any Violetta baptised in the area with that name because it's so unusual.
She does have brothers Henry 26.3.1775 ,Thomas 4.12.1785 ,John 9.3.1783,Samuel 28.6.1772 which are all names of Charles and Violettas children.
I know its not much but maybe a clue
Ciderdrinker
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Hi Again Ciderdrinker.
I have placed that into my research because I am pretty sure it's all correct.
What I did find, which you might be able to help with, was that when looking at the baptism records between Charles Senior and his 2 wives; Mary Bird and Elizabeth Salt. I noticed that there is another Charles [Allblaster] baptised on 04 Feb 1781 at St Mary the Virgin within the Aldridge Parish of Staffordshire.
This is the same Church that baptised Sarah Allblaster on the same day. This would indicate that they are actually twins.
What I do not understand is, if Sarah was the brother to Charles who was baptised in Stowe, nr Lichfield, Staffordshire; on 28 Sep 1778. Then why would Charles Senior and Elizabeth name another child the same name?
Kindest Regards
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Hello
Good spot.
I'm assuming the older child died sometime after 1778 and before 1781.
If they liked the name parents often gave it to another born latter
Ciderdrinker
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Hello
Good spot.
I'm assuming the older child died sometime after 1778 and before 1781.
If they liked the name parents often gave it to another born latter
Ciderdrinker
The Charles that was born in 1778, is the Charles that died in 1858 in Walsall, Staffordshire. It is also the lineage that I descend from.
Maybe they did just like the name, I guess. Very unusual though, unless it is two different families?
Kindest Regards
ASmithy