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Research in Other Countries => New Zealand => New Zealand Completed Requests => Topic started by: haney on Saturday 12 August 23 21:49 BST (UK)
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Hi Everyone
I am at the moment trying to find any relevant details of the above (death in particular). I have looked on the NZ BDM and could not find her under BEATTIE.
Firstly Grace Alice LORD was born in Tasmania 1879 and married Percy Thomas FATCHEN in 1899 in Tasmania (they have also been listed with surname THOMAS).
Graces parents are WILLIAM HENRY LORD and JANE LILLIAN ROBINSON. Nothing is known of this couple but I believe that Jane LORD could have been in Dunedin for a while! William Henry deceased between 1890 and 1899. No death found for him as yet.
2 sons 1) Claude Henry (Thomas) Fatchen b 1900, died in NZ 1985 2) Roy William 1902-1915 buried in Wellington NZ.
Grace deserted Thomas P Fatchen "a fortnight after their arrival" in New Zealand and he divorced her in 1917.
It seems she may have married a William BEATTIE in 1918.
I am at the moment unable to check any possible deaths/remarriages in NSW as there the BDM is not working here as they are doing maintenance apparently.
So that is where I am with Grace Alice LORD-FATCHEN.
Her siblings are LILA EVELYN LORD b 22/9/1888, LILLY b 14/7/1886, ARTHUR ELGIE b 13/8/1890.
Also can anyone tell me how to find out what details would be on NZ certificates please.
Many thanks Dianna from Sydney
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Dianna
There is a marriage on the NZ BDM for a Grace Alice LORD to a William BEATTIE in 1918.
If you go to this page on the NZ BDM website you will be able to see what is on the NZ certs. If you do order from there you should obtain the "printout", which is a scan of the original register.
https://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/dataCollected
Ian C
Edit
There is also this item in the newpapers about the divorce
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/NZH19171208.2.55.3
You might find other mentions of them on the Papers Past website as well.
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Also can anyone tell me how to find out what details would be on NZ certificates
From the website.
https://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/dataCollected/death
Also…. Thinking she could have “married” yet again, if you put a “full stop” in the surname field, and Grace Alice in the forename field you get a long list of potentials. You will need your calculator out to see which of them was born c1879
Added… sorry Eyesee 😀
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In 1919 William Beattie is a Grocer in Wellington.
But in 1945 trustees for his mother are trying to find him
https://www.rootschat.com/links/01sl1/
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Looks like Thomas did not wait around either. He married again in 1918 to a Lottie NEWBERRY and they had two daughters. He left a will which is online at
https://ndhadeliver.natlib.govt.nz/delivery/DeliveryManagerServlet?dps_pid=IE58574876
His son Claude left a will also.
Ian C
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Hi thank you for the information on the family. I had seen yesterday the newspaper report re the Divorce, very interesting! Thanks for the probate record and the information on the Missing Beattie, could be he and Grace left for (wherever).
Anyway I will do some more checking in the other states as these people are all over the place.
Will read everything you have sent with interest. Many thanks Dianna
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There is one other possible match for a GRACD LORD who marries a MOCKBRIDGE IN 1940. No death of a MOCKBRIDGE though in NZ. Dianna
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There is one other possible match for a GRACD LORD who marries a MOCKBRIDGE IN 1940. No death of a MOCKBRIDGE though in NZ. Dianna
MOCKRIDGE not Mockbridge
She died 2000. Dob 1902
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There is one other possible match for a GRACD LORD who marries a MOCKBRIDGE IN 1940. No death of a MOCKBRIDGE though in NZ. Dianna
Hi Dianna
Unfortunately this Grace is not the one you seek.
[She was the daughter of Margaret and Ira Spencer LORD of Wellington, and born in 1902.
NZ Death : Grace MOCKRIDGE (not Mockbridge) - died 2000 - d.o.b. 21 September 1902. ]
~ Lu
Edit : oooops mckha ... simultaneous posting ;D
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Hi That's great I can scratch this Grace Mockridge off the list. Very helpful. Thanks. Dianna
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"(they have also been listed with surname THOMAS)."
Where and when are you seeing this use of THOMAS as family name?
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William and Grace BEATTIE only appear in the 1919 NZ Electoral Rolls, after that nothing.
They are at the New Commercial Hotel in Lambton Quay, Wellington. He is a grocer and she is married.
Ian C
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Grace and Thomas FATCHEN show up in the electoral rolls for Dunedin, Otago in 1905-6 and 1908. There is a Thomas in Wellington in 1908 and 1911, but no Grace. Thomas then next appears in 1922 in Auckland with second wife, and son Claude.
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Hi wivenhoe. I saw these records for the use of the Thomas surname on the tassie data base. Must have been an error or mistranscribed.
That is great the finding of the 1919 NZ Electoral Rolls, maybe they emigrated. Thank you.
So it looks like Grace and Thomas were in Dunedin from 1905. Interesting. I think the mum may have been there too! Jane Lillian LORD. Then they could have all come to Sydney possibly. Will keep looking and thanks so much for the information. Really helps track their movements. Regards Dianna
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Family search has the surname THOMAS for two of the births. The marriage is correct for Grace and Percy Thomas FATCHEN on the record
The below is for Claude Henry
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q244-NWQ2. Dianna
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NAA WW1
LORD Arthur Albert : Service Number - 53474
P.O.B - Devonport TAS
P.O.E - Sydney NSW
Next of Kin - (Mother) LORD Lillian
This Arthur Albert LORD has birth date 13 Aug 1891.
Next of kin, mother Lillian LORD, 147 Wigram St Forest Lodge
Ancestry Sands Directory has Lillian LORD at this address for 1920, 1921, 1922.
BDM NSW website is not accessible at the moment, but it would be useful to see if there is a death for Lillian LORD.
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Hi wivenhoe! That is very interesting. Yes it is a shame that the NSW BDM is down at the moment. Would love to check this out. Will have a quick look at the WW1 records. Could be a clue. Great thanks Dianna
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Hi Everyone
Can add a little more now. Re GRACE ALICE LORD/FATCHEN/BEATTIE she seems to end up in Australia as MRS HENRY.
GRACE ALICE LORD/FATCHEN/BEATTIE/HENRY
B: 30/8/1879 Bothwell, Tasmania
D: 1948 AS GRACE HENRY
HENRY GRACE ALICE
7998/1948
WILLIAM HENRY
LILLIAN JANE
PADDINGTON
and
ARTHUR ALBERT (ALGIE) LORD (Served in WW1)
B: 1890 Tasmania Devonport
D: 6/6/1947 Townsville Qld
(Buried Botany - Eastern Suburbs) with mother
Thought it would be good to share this update. You have all been most helpful. Regards Dianna
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Yes wivenhoe. I do have a death now for LILLIAN LORD.
It will be interesting to see her death certificate, hopefully her birth place will be given.
* LILLIAN JANE ROBINSON/LORD died as LILLIAN GRAVES in Sydney 26/5/1945. Buried at Botany with son Arthur Albert (Algie) LORD. * NEED TO PURCHASE THIS DEATH CERTIFICATE
NSW BDM
GRAVES LILIAN JANE
6906/1945
JOHN
MARGARET
SYDNEY
Many thanks Dianna
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Have you seen the item about the accident involving Lillian GRAVES and family in May 1945
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/248015452
and death notices:
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/27936012
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Hi maddy. Thanks I had seen the death notice for Lilian GRAVES in 1945 BUT not the one about the accident. That is great with names and address's. Hope they found the dog. Regards Dianna
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I see! It looks like Lilian may have died from those injuries by the looks of it! I have just ordered her death certificate may confirm. Thanks Dianna
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NSW BDM search
marriage
14923/1921 MALLON Lilian GRAVES Francis @ Glebe
death
GRAVES Francis Spencer parents James Joseph / Elizabeth @ Randwick 15445/1940
GRAVES Lilian Jane parents John / Margaret @ Sydney 6906/1945
Ancestry Electoral Roll 1930 at 123 Wigram Rd Forest Lodge
GRAVES Francis Spencer tram conductor
GRAVES Lilian Jane
(at reply #14...see Wigram St Forest Lodge)
https://www.smcnsw.org.au/eastern/find-a-loved-one
GRAVES Lillian Jane buried 26/05/1945
GA - General FM A, GA - General FM A, Position 0800
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NSW BDM death
HENRY Grace Alice parents William Henry / Lillian Jane @ Paddington 7998/1948
NSW BDM marriage
LORD Ruby M marr. COLLINS John W @ Sydney 5329/1921
CAREY Lila Evelyn marr. SKENE James Lumsden @ Randwick 12079/1944
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NSW BDM death
NILSSON Lila Evelyn parents William / Lilian @ Penrith 66348/1971
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To avoid duplication of research, Dianna already has some info re Lila Evelyn LORD, eg her 7 marriages in reply#12 here:
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=875314