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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lancashire => Topic started by: JackyFirth on Thursday 17 August 23 13:51 BST (UK)
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Hello :)
I am looking for someone who lives in Bolton and would be kind enough to take pictures of the two headstones located in Heaton Cemetery. I am not sure if these tombstones still exist, but unfortunately there are no photos available on the internet. If someone would be kind enough to help me I would be grateful.
Greetings.
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If you type Heaton Cemetery Bolton Lancashire, you can click on Find a Grave.
You can make a request that the headstone if there is one be photographed. It doesn't cost anything.
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You could also contact the cemetary to check if those graves do still have headstones
Tel 01204 334499
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Thanks for the advice, but unfortunately I can't find any information about the graves on the given page. As for calling Heaton Cemetery in Bolton, unfortunately I don't live in the UK and don't speak perfect English so that would be a problem. But thanks for trying to help.
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Have you looked at deceased online as they have the records for that cemetery. It is a pay per view site though you can search the indexes if you register, that is free
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01slv/
Sometimes it is a good idea just to post the details of who you are looking for on here just in case someone is visiting some time in the future. You would need to know the location of the graves
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Burial registers and indexes on FamilySearch
No graves registers though
https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/736891
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Thank you very much for all the links, I already have all these things checked and found. I am registered on the Deceased website and found information about two people I am interested in, but unfortunately I cannot receive more information about the deceased in the free option. The people I am interested in are buried in places 3/N2/8 (Regina Raczka) and 3/Z1/98 (Jozef Raczka) in a place for Catholics. I just wanted to find possible photos of the tombstones, if they still exist, but thanks for all the advice and recommendations.
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For information if needed.
Regina Raczka died 22 December 1977 - she left a will Probate Manchester 10 May 1978
maiden name Wrzesinska they married 1950 registered Bolton Lancashire
Josef Raczka died 27 April 1982 buried 4 May 1982 he also left a will, probate Manchester 9 August 1982
Both were of Ivy Road Bolton.
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Thanks for the advice, but unfortunately I can't find any information about the graves on the given page.
Find a Grave only has full listings for a very few of its cemeteries. Mostly, it relies on people creating memorial pages as they find the information or to make requests. Log in or create an account if necessary (it's free). Click on Add a Memorial on the cemetery main page, and you'll get a form to create an entry for Regina. Fill in what information you have and leave the rest blank. Repeat for Jozef. Don't panic; there's an Edit option for additions or corrections. Click on Request Photo on the left of each memorial. Then be patient -- it all depends on how many volunteers there in the area and how easy it is to find the grave; for example, some cemeteries are heavily overgrown and they only cut it down once a year in autumn (if ever). You'll get an e-mail when the photo is taken or if someone reports a serious problem.
I see that Regina and Jozef are buried in different graves. This means it's possible they are in so-called "common" of "public" graves each with several unrelated people and less likely to be marked, or if marked at all, with headstone(s) for only some of the people. In such cases, Find a Grave volunteers should take a photo of the area of bare grass or the unrelated headstone(s), though some give up.
If you have any queries about the process, ask here or send me a PM.
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Thank you for the thorough explanation of the rules of conduct on this site, I created tombstones, so I hope that something can be done this way. And how were the dead buried in mass graves? I didn't know it was possible, especially when the name of the deceased was known. What did it depend on?
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If the family could not afford to pay for a grave then they would be buried in a plot with other people.
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Hi, If it is of any help to you. I have been in touch with my sister who lives in Bolton. She is on the committee of Halliwell History Society, which is a local history group in Bolton, and is willing to visit Heaton Cemetery to look for the graves.
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Hello, I am very grateful for your response and willingness to help. I'd be delighted if your sister could find anything.
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Well done on your first attempt at creating Find a Grave memorials, Jacky. I didn't want to give you too many instructions on my first message, but here's how you can show them linked as husband and wife:
Take a note of the Memorial ID for Regina, 258224040. Go to Jozef's memorial, select Edit and scroll down the form to Family Members. Put that number in the Spouse box and the marriage year next to it. Click on Save and you'll see the link on each memorial -- you only have to add it on one of them.
Sadly, most of our ancestors went to "common" graves, often shared with 10, 20, or more other people. Some cemeteries where I take photographs each have nearly 1000 requests since someone uploaded all the names from the early registers recently. I can tell fom section numbers that most are in areas which are bare grass, or now woodland, or has been relandscaped for modern burials on top, making it hard to find the spot to photograph. Let's hope that isn't the case for Regina and Jozef.
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Thank you for explaining the situation in detail. I was surprised by this mass burial, because in my country there was never such a custom, the family was always buried together, but never several strangers were buried in mass graves. I will also deal with the marriage connection on the site. Thank you for your valuable tips and sincere help.
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Bolton Council
Burial Records
https://www.bolton.gov.uk/certificates-searches/burial-record
Regina's burial on FamilySearch
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSNP-81P4
There is nothing on Deceased Online to indicate that anybody else is buried with her in the same grave.
If we take Alfred Joseph Melia on the same page on FS, buried 15 Dec, Deceased Online says there are two others in the grave.
Ditto Alan Fielding, 23 Dec, 5 others.
Also, Rachel Lean Margaret Hampson, the burial above Regina, same day, and various others on the page say PUBLIC in the grant column (Regina has a grant number, 19861)
There are 36 others in the same grave as Rachel, according to Deceased Online (is that really possible?)
Maybe Regina is just buried on her own in a non-public grave?
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Rather, according to family records, she was buried alone in a paid grave, but after so many years I don't know for sure if that was the case.
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That's the conclusion I have reached. Regina buried in a single plot grave.
Would there be a certain number of years it was purchased for? :-\
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Bolton Council
Burial Records
https://www.bolton.gov.uk/certificates-searches/burial-record
"If you have the grave number, deed or grant numbers, you can contact us to help locate the grave, or if you simply require more information about the plot.
There is a £5 charge per search."
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Unfortunately, I have no idea if the grave was paid for several decades.
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Hi Jacky, Good News! My sister Stefka, has been in touch. She has visited the graves in Heaton Cemetery. They are in the Catholic Section amongst other Polish graves. She has taken photographs and made a video of the surroundings. Have you any suggestions on how she can upload this information to you?
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Hello, thank you for your response, I am very grateful for your time and taking these photos. If it's not a problem, please send them to my email address. I will send you a PW message. Once again, thank you very much for your time and commitment. :)
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As I have reported the e-mail address to the moderators, who will remove it - not allowed on RootsChat to avoid spamming etc, I suggest that both of you exchange your e-mail addresses by private message. Good luck :-*
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Ok, thanks for information, I changed my answer.
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Great, and I hope that you will enjoy the photographs etc. Always good to get a result :)