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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Hampshire & Isle of Wight => Topic started by: AncestryPete on Friday 25 August 23 15:17 BST (UK)
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Any help much appreciated in unravelling the birth and early years of Albert and the birth of Kate.
On 11th Nov 1918 at Ebenezer Chapel, Lyndhurst the Rev T Webb Scammell married Albert Hnry Bird (aged 37) and Caroline Kate Peckham (aged 38). Albert was a local groom about to be discharged from the Army (no service papers survive) his bride, known to all as Kate was an established local logding house keeper at Oak Lodge, Ashurst. Both stated their residences as Ashurst, Colbury.
Albert Henry has me stumped, he died in April 1962 in Lyndhurst Road less than a stones throw from where he'd lived with Kate all of their married life. The 1921 Census says he is 39 and was born in Ashurst. The 1939 Register records his DOB as 26 June 1881 but I can find no birth registration. The marriage certificate says his father was Alfred Henry Bird (deceased) a jockey. I cant find Albert Henry or his father Alfred Henry at all, nothing prior to the marriage.
Kate was from a local family (George and Caroline Peckham) and had possibly romanced her age for the day (38 = birth 1879) because I believe she was baptised 4 years earlier 16th Sept 1875 in Southampton although I can find no appropriate birth registery. The 1921 Census says she was born in Southampton and gave her age as 40. On the 1939 Register she gave her DOB as 16th May 1879. I do however have a solid track on her/family in Census returns etc right up to her marriage to Albert and consistently together afterwards, she died July Quarter 1954 and was aged 79 (born 1875).
Please can anybody help with Kate's birth registry and the 33 years pre-1914 of Albert's life ?
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Hi AncestryPete,
I know that you have looked at the 1921 census, but did you notice that Albert's birth place was Ashurst Kent not Hampshire? It just seems an odd thing to be born in an Ashurst in one county and live in an Ashurst in a separate county about 100 miles away!
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Following a lead on AHB born Ashurst Kent, not Hampshire, there is a baptism for an ALbert Henry Bird on 24 Aug 1879 at St Martin of Tours, Ashurst, Kent.
Parents Albert Henry Bird, colt breaker and Catherine Drusilla Bird.
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1881 - 5 Ashurst Bank, Ashurst, Kent
Albert Bird 34 Mar Colt Trainer bn Wolverhampton
Catherine Bird 29 Mar bn Dane Hill? Sussex
Albert Bird 2 Son bn Ashurst, Kent
Richard Davey 18 Brother Ag Lab bn Kent Brenchley
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1891 The Mews, Southborough
Albert Bird Head Mar 43 Coachman bn London
Catherine Bird Wife Mar 37 bn Sussex Dane Hill
Albert Bird Son unm 11 Scholar Ashurst
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Please can anybody help with Kate's birth registry
Birth
WARD, CAROLINE KATE PECKHAM - (No mothers maiden surname on index)
GRO Reference: 1875 June Quarter in SOUTHAMPTON Volume 02C Page 40
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Albert Henry Bird senior died Mar qtr 1909, Tonbridge 2a 580
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Thank you all, I was blind-sided by that ASHURST and his home address of record at the time being Lyndhurst Road, Ashurst, Colbury, she was at Oak Lodge, Ashurst, Colbury. I just didnt see Kent.
His father on the wedding certificate is clearly given as Alfred Henry Bird but I suppose the Registrar must have made an error because that chap does fit so well unless of course it was mis-stated along with his age, in an intent to deceive ??
I'd assumed................. say no more ::) hang my head in shame !
Rosie, that is a stunning find, thank you.
THANK you all
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I think there is still some mystery surrounding the couple though! I can't find Albert on the 1901 or 1911 censuses as yet.
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Catharine D Bird seems to have died 1899.
Albert (senior) had started out well from the looks of things as a licenced victualler running a Hemel Hempstead pub when they married in 1875. They appear to have hit hard times.
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There is a marriage in Sept qtr 1901(Tunbridge 2a 1603) between an Albert Henry Bird and Mary Martindale (using freebmd, there are two other people on the page but I have managed to marry the other couple off so I know that AHB married MM).
Question is - was this AHB father or son? It could fit either way - senior is recently widowed, junior is 21ish.
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Albert Bird age 28 occ Domestic Groom bn Ashurst, Kent is living with the Norgate family in Ockham, Surrey in 1911
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XW84-9TY
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That's an interesting find Rosie, thank you
Thanks Spindermonkey, I'll follow her and see if she was in an age-group for junior or senior although the 1911 census Rosie found shows AHB junior as Single.
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I kept on going as you'd expect and I believe I have eventually found him on the 1901 Census in the period where he was missing. There is a Henry Bird, stable lad, aged 22, born at Ashurst, Kent lodging with the village bootmaker at Alfriston, Sussex along with 3 other stable lads. It appears that the village employment revolved around Wingrove Racing stables (until it closed in 1920) and there are so many equestrian folks around to service the stables and race course. Thanks to all.
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That 1901 looks good for Albert / Henry. ;D