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Title: CHRISTINE ATWII/CURTIS/LOTERY
Post by: seeds ltd on Monday 04 September 23 09:57 BST (UK)
Hi All, I have a problem? A Christine Atwii/Curtis b July 1932 may be Kent England. On Ancestry it say family name is Grime, she m 1963? (may be 1953) a James Curtis family name Chase (i take it these are mother's surnames) In Sept 1964 she m a Edward Lotery in Westminster London, she died Aug 2016 in LA USA. She is 30 years Edwards junior.
I can see no Chase or Grime on any UK history site, any help please, i thank you.
Title: Re: CHRISTINE ATWII/CURTIS/LOTERY
Post by: amondg on Monday 04 September 23 10:31 BST (UK)
Does she have an obituary?

Edward went back and forth to France quite a lot, but the immigration on ancestry stops at 1962.

Edited -2002 Christine Lotery is living at 10750 Wilshire Blvd. Apartment 306 Los Angeles.

If you get a copy of her death certificate it will tell you her parents names.
Title: Re: CHRISTINE ATWII/CURTIS/LOTERY
Post by: jorose on Monday 04 September 23 10:37 BST (UK)
Do you have a copy of the 1964 marriage? It should list, importantly, her marital status (single, widowed, divorced, etc), and her father's name and occupation, that will be very useful in tracking her down in earlier records.

Mother's surnames are not listed on marriages in England and Wales, and it's unclear which records the various names you list originate (Curtis, Chase, Grimes, Atwii - maybe Atwill?).

This may be her travelling to the US in 1958 as a secretary, Christine Curtis. Her DOB is listed as 29 July 1932. In this record she is "single"
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:6858-7BXY
Title: Re: CHRISTINE ATWII/CURTIS/LOTERY
Post by: seeds ltd on Monday 04 September 23 10:47 BST (UK)
Many thanks will get m cert
Title: Re: CHRISTINE ATWII/CURTIS/LOTERY
Post by: aghadowey on Monday 04 September 23 10:48 BST (UK)
Might be something here?
https://unicourt.com/case/ca-la2-christine-lotery-revocable-trust-dated-may-6-2016-1504140
Title: Re: CHRISTINE ATWII/CURTIS/LOTERY
Post by: *Sandra* on Monday 04 September 23 11:04 BST (UK)

A little background in the obituary for Edward Lotery.

The Daily Telegraph
London, Greater London, England 
Sat, Feb 7, 1987 Page 16

https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-daily-telegraph/131190782/

Sandra

Title: Re: CHRISTINE ATWII/CURTIS/LOTERY
Post by: seeds ltd on Tuesday 05 September 23 10:22 BST (UK)
Thanks Sandra for news paper
Title: Re: CHRISTINE ATWII/CURTIS/LOTERY
Post by: trish1120 on Tuesday 05 September 23 12:04 BST (UK)

This is strange?

Edward Lotery
Principal
South Africa, Cape Province, Probate Records of the Master of the High Court, 1834-1989
Probate from 1980 to 1988
Cape Province, South Africa
Spouse Christine Curtis
Title: Re: CHRISTINE ATWII/CURTIS/LOTERY
Post by: trish1120 on Tuesday 05 September 23 12:46 BST (UK)
There is also this arrival with a different dob/occp.

Name   Christine Curtis
Arrival Age   23
Birth Date   21 Nov. 1932
Port of Departure   New York, New York, USA
Arrival Date   30 Mar. 1956
Port of Arrival   Southampton, England
Childs Nurse to stay 4 mths, Nationality Englahs
Address to stay;
The Hutlet Vicarage Lane, Baleham, Middlesex

Only 1932 Birth Reg I can see 1932 has mmn as Lovett

Possible Marriage Reg March 1929 Staines  3a 39
Freda LOVETT/Frank CURTIS on same page

1939 3 redacted children for Frank/Freda in Staines, Middlesex
EDIT; address appears to be The Hutlet
Title: Re: CHRISTINE ATWII/CURTIS/LOTERY
Post by: softly softly on Tuesday 05 September 23 13:51 BST (UK)
Address to stay;
The Hutlet Vicarage Lane, Baleham, Middlesex

Frank, Freda and daughter born 1929 at this address in 1952 electoral register

Frank, Freda & son born 1935 at this address in 1956 electoral register

No evidence on electoral registers with Christine being at this address with parents form 1946-60

SS

Added: A Christine Curtis of The Hutlet, Vicarage Lane occ "nurse" also travelled to the US on 31st January 1952
Title: Re: CHRISTINE ATWII/CURTIS/LOTERY
Post by: softly softly on Tuesday 05 September 23 15:14 BST (UK)
This may be her travelling to the US in 1958 as a secretary, Christine Curtis. Her DOB is listed as 29 July 1932. In this record she is "single"79, Dukes Ave, Chiswick
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:6858-7BXY
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Think we may have 2 Christine Curtis born 1932.

The one above gave an address of 79, Dukes Ave, Chiswick. She can be found at that address with possible parents Frederick F C Curtis and HERTHA Curtis.

Death of possible parents

Deaths Sep 1972   
CURTIS    Hertha    15Mr1906    St.Marylebne    5D   1733

Deaths Jun 1975   
CURTIS    FREDERICK FRANCIS C    9AU1903    PADDINGTON    14   1212

Probate confirms Frederick Francis Charles.

I noticed on the 1958 travel document that Christine's passport records United Kingdom/Germany

I cannot find a birth in the UK for either parents or Christine other than the 1932 Curtis/Lovett.

SS

Added, Frederick F C Curtis appears with this dob on 1939 register, and is this a coincidence


Curtis
Frederick Francis Charles
1903

1940
Britain, Gestapo Invasion Arrest List 1940
Great Britain

Believe Hertha in 1939 register is Hilda Curtis with same dob and 2 redacted entries
Title: Re: CHRISTINE ATWII/CURTIS/LOTERY
Post by: softly softly on Tuesday 05 September 23 15:29 BST (UK)
1939 entry for Frederick
Frederick F C   Curtis   09 Aug 1903   Male   Architect & Lecturer Liverpool University School Of Architected   Married

Wonder if he knew Edward Lotery who was also a prominent architect?

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Title: Re: CHRISTINE ATWII/CURTIS/LOTERY
Post by: softly softly on Tuesday 05 September 23 16:22 BST (UK)
Frederick Francis Charles Curtis

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederick_Francis_Charles_Curtis

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Title: Re: CHRISTINE ATWII/CURTIS/LOTERY
Post by: softly softly on Tuesday 05 September 23 17:06 BST (UK)
Quote from opening post

 In Sept 1964 she m a Edward Lotery in Westminster London, she died Aug 2016 in LA USA. She is 30 years Edwards junior.

Christine Curtis with parents Frederick F C & Hertha is with her parents on electoral registers until 1963. From then on they are by themselves,

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Title: Re: CHRISTINE ATWII/CURTIS/LOTERY
Post by: softly softly on Tuesday 05 September 23 17:51 BST (UK)
Info. In the 1964 electoral register at 117 Chiltern Court are Frederick F C Curtis and Hertha. With them are a David R & Barbara Wilson. Believe this could be the 2nd redacted entry with Hilda Curtis in 1939 register,


Marriages Sep 1960   
CURTIS    Barbara    WILSON    Pancras    5d   1008    
WILSON    David R    CURTIS    Pancras    5d   1008

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Added: Interesting birth as Frederick was in Liverpool 1939


Births Sep 1939   
Curtis    *******    mmn Krabbo    Crosby    8b   1056
Title: Re: CHRISTINE ATWII/CURTIS/LOTERY
Post by: softly softly on Tuesday 05 September 23 18:22 BST (UK)
Christine Lotery with dob 29.7.1932.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KTMJ-5K5

This ties in with the 1958 record of going to the US, and the address 79, Duke Ave, Chiswick.

Believe she was born in Germany and her Parents Frederick Francis Charles Curtis & Hertha Curtis nee' Krabbo.

SS

added

Name   Hertha Krabbo
Gender   weiblich (Female)
Birth Date   15 Mär 1906 (15 Mar 1906)  as per death record
Birth Place   Berlin, Berlin, Deutschland (Germany)
Registration Date   1906
Civil Registration Office   Charlottenburg I
Father   
Carl Hermann Krabbo
Mother   
Olga Krabbo
Notes   Birth
Certificate Number   204

Parents marriage

Name   Carl Hermann Krabbo
Gender   männlich (Male)
Age   28
Birth Date   23 Feb 1875
Marriage Date   10 Okt 1903 (10 Oct 1903)
Marriage Place   Hamburg, Hamburg, Deutschland (Germany)
Civil Registration Office   Hamburg 22
Spouse   
Olga Sieverts
Certificate Number   495
Reference Number   

Images on Anc*
Title: Re: CHRISTINE ATWII/CURTIS/LOTERY
Post by: *Sandra* on Tuesday 05 September 23 18:55 BST (UK)
Rex Lotery grandson of Edward son of Rex Lotery

Santa Cruz Sentinel Santa Cruz, California
Tue, Nov 7, 1978 Page 24

https://www.newspapers.com/article/santa-cruz-sentinel/131276718/

Rex Lotery (also Architecture, Design etc., - son of Edward )

The Los Angeles Times
Los Angeles, California
Tue, Feb 6, 2007 Page 77

https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-los-angeles-times/131276930/

Rex Lotery Birth Year   1930
Has Photo   No
Source   American Architects Directory. Third edition. Edited by John F. Gane. New York: R.R. Bowker, 1970. (AmArch)

Sandra
Title: Re: CHRISTINE ATWII/CURTIS/LOTERY
Post by: *Sandra* on Tuesday 05 September 23 18:57 BST (UK)
Gwenyth Snyder [Gwenyth Moses Lotery]
[Gwenyth Lotery] [Gwenyth Moses]
Birth Date   12 Feb 1908   London, United Kingdom
Death Date   9 Apr 2005
Father    Montague Moses
Mother    Rose Hart

Sandra
Title: Re: CHRISTINE ATWII/CURTIS/LOTERY
Post by: softly softly on Tuesday 05 September 23 19:09 BST (UK)
Confirmation of birth place for Christine + permanent correct address

Name   Christine Curtis
Arrival Age   30
Birth Date   29 Jul 1932
Birth Place   Germany
Arrival Date   6 Nov 1962
Arrival Place   New York, New York, USA

Image on Anc*

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Title: Re: CHRISTINE ATWII/CURTIS/LOTERY
Post by: softly softly on Tuesday 05 September 23 19:20 BST (UK)
Herman Edward Lotery
1902–1987
BIRTH 30 MAY 1902 • Stoke Newington, London, England

DEATH 16 JAN 1987 • Los Angeles, Los Angeles, California, United States of America

Very comprehensive tree on Anc*

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Title: Re: CHRISTINE ATWII/CURTIS/LOTERY
Post by: *Sandra* on Tuesday 05 September 23 19:37 BST (UK)
US Naturalization 15 December 1939

Title: Re: CHRISTINE ATWII/CURTIS/LOTERY
Post by: softly softly on Tuesday 05 September 23 19:39 BST (UK)
Michael Montague Lotery
1928–2009
BIRTH 3 JAN 1928 • Hampstead, London

DEATH 20 SEP 2009 • Shingle Springs, El Dorado, California, United States of America

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Title: Re: CHRISTINE ATWII/CURTIS/LOTERY
Post by: *Sandra* on Tuesday 05 September 23 19:40 BST (UK)
Michael Montague Lotery - Birth Date   3 Jan 1928
Last Residence   95682, Shingle Springs, El Dorado, California
Death Date   20 Sep 2009
Issue year   Before 1951 Issue State   New York.

Sandra


Title: Re: CHRISTINE ATWII/CURTIS/LOTERY
Post by: *Sandra* on Tuesday 05 September 23 19:46 BST (UK)

Richard Basehart -

The Newark Advocate
Newark, Ohio 
Wed, Sep 19, 1984 Page 11

https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-newark-advocate/131280416/

The Indianapolis News
Indianapolis, Indiana 
Wed, Sep 19, 1984 Page 52

https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-indianapolis-news/131280504/

Sandra
Title: Re: CHRISTINE ATWII/CURTIS/LOTERY
Post by: *Sandra* on Tuesday 05 September 23 19:57 BST (UK)
First wife of Edward - Gywneth Moses Lottery/Snyder

Gwenyth Lotery - Birth Date   12 Feb 1908
Last Residence   93120, Santa Barbara, Santa Barbara, California
Last Benefit   90024, Los Angeles, Los Angeles, California
Death Date   9 Apr 2005
Issue year   Before 1951  Issue State   New York.

U.S., Social Security Applications and Claims Index, 1936-2007
Name   Gwenyth Snyder
Birth Date   12 Feb 1908 - Birth Place   London, United Kingdom
Death Date   9 Apr 2005
Father   Montague Moses Mother   Rose Hart

New York Marriage Index
Gwenyth Lotery

Marriage License Date   1960    Manhattan, New York City, New York
Spouse   Robert Snyder - License Number   22796


Sandra
Title: Re: CHRISTINE ATWII/CURTIS/LOTERY
Post by: seeds ltd on Wednesday 06 September 23 10:38 BST (UK)
WOW, thanks all for the great info. But i still have a problem, Christine m 1st in early 1950s to a James Curtis, or is this the other Christine?  Will have to wait for m cert to come to find out her father's correct name.   Ian
Title: Re: CHRISTINE ATWII/CURTIS/LOTERY
Post by: softly softly on Wednesday 06 September 23 10:59 BST (UK)
Please do let us know the outcome of the details from marriage certificate. Do not believe she was ever married prior to marrying Edward Lotery.

SS
Title: Re: CHRISTINE ATWII/CURTIS/LOTERY
Post by: seeds ltd on Thursday 07 September 23 09:37 BST (UK)
Hi All, You were correct Softly Softly Christine was single, she was 31 & Edward was 61, father Frederick F C Curtis 1903-1975 (as per m cert). Thanks every one for your work, one item out the way.
Title: Re: CHRISTINE ATWII/CURTIS/LOTERY
Post by: softly softly on Thursday 07 September 23 10:50 BST (UK)
Glad we all could help. Having evidence is the key :)

SS

Added: as a matter of interest was her address on the marriage certificate 117 Chiltern Court, Baker St NW1
Title: Re: CHRISTINE ATWII/CURTIS/LOTERY
Post by: seeds ltd on Friday 08 September 23 09:17 BST (UK)
Yes it was.