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Research in Other Countries => Immigrants & Emigrants - General => Topic started by: seeds ltd on Monday 04 September 23 09:57 BST (UK)
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Hi All, I have a problem? A Christine Atwii/Curtis b July 1932 may be Kent England. On Ancestry it say family name is Grime, she m 1963? (may be 1953) a James Curtis family name Chase (i take it these are mother's surnames) In Sept 1964 she m a Edward Lotery in Westminster London, she died Aug 2016 in LA USA. She is 30 years Edwards junior.
I can see no Chase or Grime on any UK history site, any help please, i thank you.
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Does she have an obituary?
Edward went back and forth to France quite a lot, but the immigration on ancestry stops at 1962.
Edited -2002 Christine Lotery is living at 10750 Wilshire Blvd. Apartment 306 Los Angeles.
If you get a copy of her death certificate it will tell you her parents names.
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Do you have a copy of the 1964 marriage? It should list, importantly, her marital status (single, widowed, divorced, etc), and her father's name and occupation, that will be very useful in tracking her down in earlier records.
Mother's surnames are not listed on marriages in England and Wales, and it's unclear which records the various names you list originate (Curtis, Chase, Grimes, Atwii - maybe Atwill?).
This may be her travelling to the US in 1958 as a secretary, Christine Curtis. Her DOB is listed as 29 July 1932. In this record she is "single"
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:6858-7BXY
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Many thanks will get m cert
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Might be something here?
https://unicourt.com/case/ca-la2-christine-lotery-revocable-trust-dated-may-6-2016-1504140
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A little background in the obituary for Edward Lotery.
The Daily Telegraph
London, Greater London, England
Sat, Feb 7, 1987 Page 16
https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-daily-telegraph/131190782/
Sandra
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Thanks Sandra for news paper
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This is strange?
Edward Lotery
Principal
South Africa, Cape Province, Probate Records of the Master of the High Court, 1834-1989
Probate from 1980 to 1988
Cape Province, South Africa
Spouse Christine Curtis
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There is also this arrival with a different dob/occp.
Name Christine Curtis
Arrival Age 23
Birth Date 21 Nov. 1932
Port of Departure New York, New York, USA
Arrival Date 30 Mar. 1956
Port of Arrival Southampton, England
Childs Nurse to stay 4 mths, Nationality Englahs
Address to stay;
The Hutlet Vicarage Lane, Baleham, Middlesex
Only 1932 Birth Reg I can see 1932 has mmn as Lovett
Possible Marriage Reg March 1929 Staines 3a 39
Freda LOVETT/Frank CURTIS on same page
1939 3 redacted children for Frank/Freda in Staines, Middlesex
EDIT; address appears to be The Hutlet
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Address to stay;
The Hutlet Vicarage Lane, Baleham, Middlesex
Frank, Freda and daughter born 1929 at this address in 1952 electoral register
Frank, Freda & son born 1935 at this address in 1956 electoral register
No evidence on electoral registers with Christine being at this address with parents form 1946-60
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Added: A Christine Curtis of The Hutlet, Vicarage Lane occ "nurse" also travelled to the US on 31st January 1952
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This may be her travelling to the US in 1958 as a secretary, Christine Curtis. Her DOB is listed as 29 July 1932. In this record she is "single"79, Dukes Ave, Chiswick
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:6858-7BXY
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Think we may have 2 Christine Curtis born 1932.
The one above gave an address of 79, Dukes Ave, Chiswick. She can be found at that address with possible parents Frederick F C Curtis and HERTHA Curtis.
Death of possible parents
Deaths Sep 1972
CURTIS Hertha 15Mr1906 St.Marylebne 5D 1733
Deaths Jun 1975
CURTIS FREDERICK FRANCIS C 9AU1903 PADDINGTON 14 1212
Probate confirms Frederick Francis Charles.
I noticed on the 1958 travel document that Christine's passport records United Kingdom/Germany
I cannot find a birth in the UK for either parents or Christine other than the 1932 Curtis/Lovett.
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Added, Frederick F C Curtis appears with this dob on 1939 register, and is this a coincidence
Curtis
Frederick Francis Charles
1903
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1940
Britain, Gestapo Invasion Arrest List 1940
Great Britain
Believe Hertha in 1939 register is Hilda Curtis with same dob and 2 redacted entries
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1939 entry for Frederick
Frederick F C Curtis 09 Aug 1903 Male Architect & Lecturer Liverpool University School Of Architected Married
Wonder if he knew Edward Lotery who was also a prominent architect?
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Frederick Francis Charles Curtis
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederick_Francis_Charles_Curtis
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Quote from opening post
In Sept 1964 she m a Edward Lotery in Westminster London, she died Aug 2016 in LA USA. She is 30 years Edwards junior.
Christine Curtis with parents Frederick F C & Hertha is with her parents on electoral registers until 1963. From then on they are by themselves,
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Info. In the 1964 electoral register at 117 Chiltern Court are Frederick F C Curtis and Hertha. With them are a David R & Barbara Wilson. Believe this could be the 2nd redacted entry with Hilda Curtis in 1939 register,
Marriages Sep 1960
CURTIS Barbara WILSON Pancras 5d 1008
WILSON David R CURTIS Pancras 5d 1008
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Added: Interesting birth as Frederick was in Liverpool 1939
Births Sep 1939
Curtis ******* mmn Krabbo Crosby 8b 1056
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Christine Lotery with dob 29.7.1932.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KTMJ-5K5
This ties in with the 1958 record of going to the US, and the address 79, Duke Ave, Chiswick.
Believe she was born in Germany and her Parents Frederick Francis Charles Curtis & Hertha Curtis nee' Krabbo.
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Name Hertha Krabbo
Gender weiblich (Female)
Birth Date 15 Mär 1906 (15 Mar 1906) as per death record
Birth Place Berlin, Berlin, Deutschland (Germany)
Registration Date 1906
Civil Registration Office Charlottenburg I
Father
Carl Hermann Krabbo
Mother
Olga Krabbo
Notes Birth
Certificate Number 204
Parents marriage
Name Carl Hermann Krabbo
Gender männlich (Male)
Age 28
Birth Date 23 Feb 1875
Marriage Date 10 Okt 1903 (10 Oct 1903)
Marriage Place Hamburg, Hamburg, Deutschland (Germany)
Civil Registration Office Hamburg 22
Spouse
Olga Sieverts
Certificate Number 495
Reference Number
Images on Anc*
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Rex Lotery grandson of Edward son of Rex Lotery
Santa Cruz Sentinel Santa Cruz, California
Tue, Nov 7, 1978 Page 24
https://www.newspapers.com/article/santa-cruz-sentinel/131276718/
Rex Lotery (also Architecture, Design etc., - son of Edward )
The Los Angeles Times
Los Angeles, California
Tue, Feb 6, 2007 Page 77
https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-los-angeles-times/131276930/
Rex Lotery Birth Year 1930
Has Photo No
Source American Architects Directory. Third edition. Edited by John F. Gane. New York: R.R. Bowker, 1970. (AmArch)
Sandra
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Gwenyth Snyder [Gwenyth Moses Lotery]
[Gwenyth Lotery] [Gwenyth Moses]
Birth Date 12 Feb 1908 London, United Kingdom
Death Date 9 Apr 2005
Father Montague Moses
Mother Rose Hart
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Confirmation of birth place for Christine + permanent correct address
Name Christine Curtis
Arrival Age 30
Birth Date 29 Jul 1932
Birth Place Germany
Arrival Date 6 Nov 1962
Arrival Place New York, New York, USA
Image on Anc*
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Herman Edward Lotery
1902–1987
BIRTH 30 MAY 1902 • Stoke Newington, London, England
DEATH 16 JAN 1987 • Los Angeles, Los Angeles, California, United States of America
Very comprehensive tree on Anc*
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US Naturalization 15 December 1939
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Michael Montague Lotery
1928–2009
BIRTH 3 JAN 1928 • Hampstead, London
DEATH 20 SEP 2009 • Shingle Springs, El Dorado, California, United States of America
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Michael Montague Lotery - Birth Date 3 Jan 1928
Last Residence 95682, Shingle Springs, El Dorado, California
Death Date 20 Sep 2009
Issue year Before 1951 Issue State New York.
Sandra
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Richard Basehart -
The Newark Advocate
Newark, Ohio
Wed, Sep 19, 1984 Page 11
https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-newark-advocate/131280416/
The Indianapolis News
Indianapolis, Indiana
Wed, Sep 19, 1984 Page 52
https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-indianapolis-news/131280504/
Sandra
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First wife of Edward - Gywneth Moses Lottery/Snyder
Gwenyth Lotery - Birth Date 12 Feb 1908
Last Residence 93120, Santa Barbara, Santa Barbara, California
Last Benefit 90024, Los Angeles, Los Angeles, California
Death Date 9 Apr 2005
Issue year Before 1951 Issue State New York.
U.S., Social Security Applications and Claims Index, 1936-2007
Name Gwenyth Snyder
Birth Date 12 Feb 1908 - Birth Place London, United Kingdom
Death Date 9 Apr 2005
Father Montague Moses Mother Rose Hart
New York Marriage Index
Gwenyth Lotery
Marriage License Date 1960 Manhattan, New York City, New York
Spouse Robert Snyder - License Number 22796
Sandra
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WOW, thanks all for the great info. But i still have a problem, Christine m 1st in early 1950s to a James Curtis, or is this the other Christine? Will have to wait for m cert to come to find out her father's correct name. Ian
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Please do let us know the outcome of the details from marriage certificate. Do not believe she was ever married prior to marrying Edward Lotery.
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Hi All, You were correct Softly Softly Christine was single, she was 31 & Edward was 61, father Frederick F C Curtis 1903-1975 (as per m cert). Thanks every one for your work, one item out the way.
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Glad we all could help. Having evidence is the key :)
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Added: as a matter of interest was her address on the marriage certificate 117 Chiltern Court, Baker St NW1
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Yes it was.