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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Berkshire => Topic started by: Kezzza on Saturday 09 September 23 11:19 BST (UK)
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Hi,
I am trying to determine if William Vass that died in 1868 in Easthampstead, Berkshire is the same William Vass that was baptised in 1816 in Crondall, Hampshire.
I know that William (d.1868) was born about 1815 in Hazeley Heath, Hampshire which makes sense that they are one of the same but I just need that last bit of evidence to be able to confirm that it is correct.
Does anyone have any advice that may be able to help please?
Thank you,
Kez
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Was he married or single? The informant on the death could be a family member you can tie in.
Where was he living on the 1861 census?
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The digital image of the death entry is available to download immediately from the GRO, cost is £2.50.
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Hi
The 1841-1861 censuses have him with wife Ann Woodison.
They married 12 Oct 1835and their daughter Sarah was born 1836.
She is a widow in 1871.
The marriage might have witnesses that tie in with the family back at Candall and his parents William and Sophia Vass
Ciderdrinker
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The digital image of the death entry is available to download immediately from the GRO, cost is £2.50.
Was he married or single? The informant on the death could be a family member you can tie in.
Where was he living on the 1861 census?
He was married at the time of his death to Ann Woodason (abt1817-1897), I purchased his death certificate, but unfortunately, it produced more questions than answers, the informant with a Charlotte Woodason, who was present at death. (I'm still trying to work out the connection between Ann and Charlotte.)
On the 1841, 1851 and 1861 Census, they lived in Easthampstead, Berkshire.
They were married on 12 Oct 1835 at St Michael & St Mary Magdalene Church in Berkshire, and he is also buried here.
Kez
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Parish of Crondall
FindMyPast Baptisms (image/transcript)
7 Jul 1816, William son of William and Sophia Vass, abode Dippenhall, father's occpn Labourer
10 May 1818, William son of Stephen and Anne Vass, abode Eveshott, father's occpn Game Keeper
FindMyPast Death (transcript only)
William Vass, age 2, place Crondall, buried 17 Jan 1819
The death record would appear to apply to the 1816 birth - although age is often suspect on records?
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Parish of Crondall
FindMyPast Baptisms (image/transcript)
7 Jul 1816, William, son of William and Sophia Vass, abode Dippenhall, father's occpn Labourer
10 May 1818, William son of Stephen and Anne Vass, abode Eveshott, father's occpn Game Keeper
FindMyPast Death (transcript only)
William Vass, age 2, place Crondall, buried 17 Jan 1819
The death record would appear to apply to the 1816 birth - although age is often suspect on records?
Thank you for looking - It does appear that the death matches the 1816 baptism. I did notice that some people have put those two records together in their tree thinking it was my William Vass. Another reason I am wary about this record.
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Hi
The 1841-1861 censuses have him with wife Ann Woodison.
They married 12 Oct 1835and their daughter Sarah was born 1836.
She is a widow in 1871.
The marriage might have witnesses that tie in with the family back at Candall and his parents William and Sophia Vass
Ciderdrinker
Sorry I missed your reply.
Do the marriage certificates state the names of the parents during this time period?
Also, how am I able to access the full certificate?
(sorry new to English records :-[)
Kez
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Re Charlotte Woodason-witness to the death. She was born Charlotte Buckle c1822. Married James Woodason 1842. James Woodason 1818 is the
elder younger brother of Ann Vass nee' Woodason 1816 both have same parents James & Susannah
In 1861 census William Vass & Charlotte have a son Timothy aged 5
VASS, TIMOTHY WOODERSON
GRO Reference: 1856 M Quarter in EASTHAMPSTEAD UNION Volume 02C
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Re Charlotte Woodason-witness to the death. She was born Charlotte Buckle c1822. Married James Woodason 1842. James Woodason 1818 is the elder brother of Ann Vass nee' Woodason 1816 both have same parents James & Susannah
In 1861 census William Vass & Charlotte have a son Timothy aged 5
VASS, TIMOTHY WOODERSON
GRO Reference: 1856 M Quarter in EASTHAMPSTEAD UNION Volume 02C
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Fantastic, thank you so much for looking at this. Much appreciated!
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Hazeley Heath was in the parish of Heckfield. Have you checked the Heckfield baptism register? If you have, try the adjacent parishes.
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Parish of Crondall
FindMyPast Baptisms (image/transcript)
7 Jul 1816, William, son of William and Sophia Vass, abode Dippenhall, father's occpn Labourer
10 May 1818, William son of Stephen and Anne Vass, abode Eveshott, father's occpn Game Keeper
FindMyPast Death (transcript only)
William Vass, age 2, place Crondall, buried 17 Jan 1819
The death record would appear to apply to the 1816 birth - although age is often suspect on records?
Thank you for looking - It does appear that the death matches the 1816 baptism. I did notice that some people have put those two records together in their tree thinking it was my William Vass. Another reason I am wary about this record.
The William Vass born to Stephen and Ann, 1816, can be found with them on the 1841 Census, age 22, carpenter?, born Hampshire, at Bowling Alley House, Crondall, Hartley Wintley. That the William Vass, baptised 1816, died in 1819, looking more likely?
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Probable death William born 1818?
FindMyPast burial (image/transcript)
Parish of Crondall
William Vass, abode Crondall, date of burial 7 Jul 1872, age 54
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Probable death William born 1818?
FindMyPast burial (image/transcript)
Parish of Crondall
William Vass, abode Crondall, date of burial 7 Jul 1872, age 54
Parish of Crondall
FindMyPast Baptisms (image/transcript)
7 Jul 1816, William, son of William and Sophia Vass, abode Dippenhall, father's occpn Labourer
10 May 1818, William son of Stephen and Anne Vass, abode Eveshott, father's occpn Game Keeper
FindMyPast Death (transcript only)
William Vass, age 2, place Crondall, buried 17 Jan 1819
The death record would appear to apply to the 1816 birth - although age is often suspect on records?
Thank you for looking - It does appear that the death matches the 1816 baptism. I did notice that some people have put those two records together in their tree thinking it was my William Vass. Another reason I am wary about this record.
The William Vass born to Stephen and Ann, 1816, can be found with them on the 1841 Census, age 22, carpenter?, born Hampshire, at Bowling Alley House, Crondall, Hartley Wintley. That the William Vass, baptised 1816, died in 1819, looking more likely?
I think you are correct we can rule that record out. :)
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Outside the time frame but there is another Willam Vass, born Crondall, 22 Apr 1810, parents Samuel and Elizabeth.
Also noted several Vass baptisms in Finchampstead around 1816 but not a William. "Your" William is consistent re. YoB (1815) and PoB (Hazeley Heath) in both '51 and '61.
Have you found him in '41?
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Outside the time frame but there is another Willam Vass, born Crondall, 22 Apr 1810, parents Samuel and Elizabeth.
Also noted several Vass baptisms in Finchampstead around 1816 but not a William. "Your" William is consistent re. YoB (1815) and PoB (Hazeley Heath) in both '51 and '61.
Have you found him in '41?
Yes found him but it’s been transcribed as Val instead of Vass (it’s very hard to read).
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My question was unnecessary since your earlier post said you had him in '41!!
Trying to find out what happened to the William born 1810.
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My question was unnecessary since your earlier post said you had him in '41!!
Trying to find out what happened to the William born 1810.
No Stress :)
I have had another day of searching and am still at a loss - I think the marriage certificate suggestion is the way to go.
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You might want to check out
FindMyPast baptisms (transcripts only)
William Vase, bap 18 Dec 1814, Heckfield cum Mattingley, parents William and Sarah.
Under notes it states "of Mattingley".
There are no other Vase baptisms in the parish in the timeframe. However, there are 4 Vass baptisms in Heckfield cum Hattingley around this period and 1 Vast baptism in Eversley - all with parents William and Sarah,
One of the baptisms reads
George Vass, bap 7 Apr 1823, abode Heckfield cum Mattingley, parents William and Sarah. Under notes it states "of Hazeley Heath"
Looks promising
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Cannot find a William Vass + Sarah marriage that fits but there is -
Phillmore's Marriages (these are transcripts only)
William Vaus, b, & Sarah Welch,s, 12 Apr 1810 - parish of Odiham.
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You might want to check out
FindMyPast baptisms (transcripts only)
William Vase, bap 18 Dec 1814, Heckfield cum Mattingley, parents William and Sarah.
Under notes it states "of Mattingley".
There are no other Vase baptisms in the parish in the timeframe. However, there are 4 Vass baptisms in Heckfield cum Hattingley around this period and 1 Vast baptism in Eversley - all with parents William and Sarah,
One of the baptisms reads
George Vass, bap 7 Apr 1823, abode Heckfield cum Mattingley, parents William and Sarah. Under notes it states "of Hazeley Heath"
Looks promising
This looks very promising. I think I need to get a copy of the marriage certificate and hopefully it will have at least his fathers name on it.
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? Reading Mercury : Saturday 30 September 1865
ROYAL FOREST AGRICULTURAL ASSOCIATION
The annual meeting of this old-established Association took place on Tuesday etc. etc
The following is the List of Prizes.
Class 5 - Honest and Industrious Families
1st: William VASS, Easthampstead, recommended by Marquis of Downshire, 2l 10s.,
Class 6 - was prizes for Building Rick, Class 7 - Thatching Ricks - Class 8 - Large Flock Shepherds etc.
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Reading Mercury : Saturday 4 October 1856
ROYAL FOREST AGRICULTURAL ASSOCIATION
Class X - Cottages and Gardens
sixth prize: 10s. to Joseph WOODASON, Easthampstead