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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Renfrewshire => Topic started by: FifanC on Thursday 14 September 23 15:06 BST (UK)
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Hi
I am looking into the parents of Peter Campbell Macleod, born 15th June, 1839 to Alexander Macleod, seaman, and Helen Campbell in Greenock New or Middle, Renfrewshire.
Peter had two brothers, Alexander born 1833, and Norman born 1838, both born in Renfrewshire.
In the 1841 Census, Helen is living in Broad Close, Greenock Middle, with her three sons. She is shown as being born outwith the county and running a lodginghouse. Also residing there is Helen Campbell, aged 60, born outwith the county, whom I assume is Helen’s mother.
When Peter married Janot Orr in 1866, his parents are shown as Alexander McLeod, seaman, deceased, and Helen Campbell.
Peter dies in 1916, and his parents are shown as Alexander McLeod, seaman, deceased, and Helen Campbell, subsequently Campbell, deceased.
I can’t see any further obvious Census records for Helen, nor a marriage to anyone called Campbell between 1866 and 1916.
Any further information on Alexander Macleod and Helen Campbell, and their sons Alexander and Norman, would be greatly appreciated.
Charlie
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Have you found any marriage for Alexander & Helen?
Have you found them in 1851 to establish Helen's birthplace?
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The Peter Campbell McLeod (not MacLeod) b 1839 was b 26.5.1839 - not 15.6.1839
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I note birth or baptism for Peter on SP but not the others, where did you find their records?
MCLEOD PETER CAMPBELL ALEXANDER MCLEOD HELEN CAMPBELL 26/05/1839 GREENOCK NEW OR MIDDLE
Colin
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Who were the witnesses at Peter's marriage?
Have you looked at the marriages in Greenock of Alexander McLeod, particularly the 1857 one.
There is also a marriage in Paisley for a Norman McLeod in the same year.
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Hi Carole
My mistake, Peter was born 15th May 1839 and baptized 26th May 1839.
There are 142 results for Hel*en M*cle*d in the 1851 Census, none of which stand out, ie in Renfrew or surrounding counties.
The only marriage on SP between an Al* M*cle*d and Hel*en Campbell is in Perth in 1762.
And no obvious marriage between a Hel*en Campbell/M*l*d to a Campbell.
There is an Alexander M*cle*d living in Greenock in the 1851 Census. He is the correct age and is Head of the House, living with his Uncle William, and both working as grocers. But I don’t know if he is mine.
There are no deaths for a Norman or Al* M*l*d mmn Campbell.
Peter Cambell M*leod is recorded as Peter Campbell in the 1871, 1881 and 1891 censuses. but his children were registered as McLeod.
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Hi Colin
Alexander and Norman are shown in the 1841 census with Peter and their mother.
Charlie
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The witnesses to Peter;s marriage are both named Johnston.
The marriages for Alexander and Norman up to 1885 in Renfrewshire all show different parents.
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Hi Colin
Alexander and Norman are shown in the 1841 census with Peter and their mother.
Charlie
Hi Charlie,
I posed the question because I could not find birth/baptisms in Scotland parents Alexander & Helen but there are records for the names in the period, father Alexander, it crossed my mind that Alexander may have been married before he meet Helen?
I did check to see if I could find a record for Helen born 1810-1812 (30 on 1841 census), only one in Scotland mother Helen, below.
HELLEN CAMPBELL 08/09/1810 LETHENDY AND KINLOCH, Perthshire.
PETER CAMPBELL/HELLEN REID
Colin
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Possibility of Norman & Alexander going to sea with their father or Emigrating.
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You might want to check this out for Alexander McLeod going by the surname Campbell
I noticed the marriage certificate for Peter Campbell McLeod on a tree on Ancestry
I noticed the address was 34 Mains Street Carsdyke
On the 1861 Census at 34 Mains Street Carsdyke home of Thomas /Helen Thomson
There is a Alexander Campbell age 25 born Greenock riveter in Iron Yard age out by few years (lodger .) Looks like this Helen Thomson was previously married to Thomas Orr
There is a marriage 4 /3/1862 Hutchestown
Alexander Campbell
Helen Fraser
You can find them on the census records in Greenock
Helen Fraser Campbell died 12 Sep 1896 Greenock
A possible death for Alexander Campbell 1911 age 75 Greenock mother maiden name Campbell.
Think it's worth checking
Rosie
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Another possibility for Helen McLeod/Campbell on the 1841 census she has a lodger
William Neilson age 30 born England occupation joiner
There is a marriage for a William Nelson 16 November 1841 Middle or New Parish Greenock to Helen Campbell
1851 census Botchergate Cumberland Carlisle
William Nelson 42 born Northumberland ( joiner )
Helen Nelson 41 born Scotland
Norman Nelson 13 born Scotland
Peter Nelson 11 born Scotland
Dorothy Nelson 6 born Scotland
William Nelson 3 born Carlisle .Gro.gov mothers maiden name Campbell
Helen Nelson 3 months born Carlisle ( mothers maiden name Campbell)
Norman and Peter are not on the 1861 census with the family and no sign of Alexander
Helen Nelson /Campbell died 1892 Cumberland Carlisle
Might be worth taking a chance viewing the marriage 1841 I know there is not much information but it might give you address ?
Rosie
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Thanks for those hints, Rosie.
Alexander Campbell, who married Helen Fraser, has Alexander Campbell and Jane Campbell as his parents.
The Alexander Campbell living as a lodger with the Thomsons in the 1861 Census could be my Alexander, since Peter Campbell McLeod married Janet Orr, the daughter of Helen Thomson, previously Orr, mn Mann.
Now the marriage of William Nelson to Helen Campbell in 1841 is interesting and I will be following this up. The OPR only shows the names.
Charlie
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Thanks for those hints, Rosie.
Alexander Campbell, who married Helen Fraser, has Alexander Campbell and Jane Campbell as his parents.
Sorry it's the wrong one
Rosie
The Alexander Campbell living as a lodger with the Thomsons in the 1861 Census could be my Alexander, since Peter Campbell McLeod married Janet Orr, the daughter of Helen Thomson, previously Orr, mn Mann.
Yes I think this is more a possibility
Rosie
Now the marriage of William Nelson to Helen Campbell in 1841 is interesting and I will be following this up. The OPR only shows the names.
Charlie