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Title: Photo of happy folk about to have a charabanc journey (1920s?) Elgin?
Post by: Calleva on Wednesday 20 September 23 14:19 BST (UK)
Found this photo (1920s?) from a family source in Elgin showing a group of mainly happy looking folk of differing ages looking like they’re about to take a journey on a charabanc. I’m guessing Elgin but with no proof, unfortunately there is nothing on the back to help.

I would just like to share the photo and if anyone knows the occasion or (appreciate a very long shot) recognises anyone, that would be great!

Thank you very much!
Title: Re: Photo of happy folk about to have a charabanc journey (1920s?) Elgin?
Post by: Treetotal on Wednesday 20 September 23 15:39 BST (UK)
It is most likely to be 1930s as that is when the cloche hats were a slightly different as they had a brim.
Carol
Title: Re: Photo of happy folk about to have a charabanc journey (1920s?) Elgin?
Post by: tonepad on Wednesday 20 September 23 16:28 BST (UK)
The vehicle looks similar to the 1929 Daimler CF6 coach in Edinburgh below:

https://www.mediastorehouse.com/heritage-images/1929-daimler-cf6-coach-creator-unknown-19664488.html


Tony
Title: Re: Photo of happy folk about to have a charabanc journey (1920s?) Elgin?
Post by: Forfarian on Wednesday 20 September 23 17:32 BST (UK)
Are the spiky things in the background at upper left trees or spires?
Title: Re: Photo of happy folk about to have a charabanc journey (1920s?) Elgin?
Post by: Treetotal on Wednesday 20 September 23 18:12 BST (UK)
I think they are spires and it looks like there is a statue which looks like a soldier, unless I'm seeing things  ;D
Carol
Title: Re: Photo of happy folk about to have a charabanc journey (1920s?) Elgin?
Post by: Calleva on Wednesday 20 September 23 18:36 BST (UK)
Brilliant, thank you Tony for identifying a likely candidate for the bus which validates Carol’s view of the occasion being in the 1930s.

Also I had never thought to investigate whether the pointed features are part of a building but I think I can see a gable end as well as finials, possibly a spire too? Very first thought was Holy Trinity Church. Elgin -

https://www.scotlandschurchestrust.org.uk/church/holy-trinity-elgin/

but I don’t think it has a spire so I think a red herring.

Thanks again both for such brilliant observations and deductions.
Title: Re: Photo of happy folk about to have a charabanc journey (1920s?) Elgin?
Post by: Forfarian on Wednesday 20 September 23 19:20 BST (UK)
There seem to be 4 small spires but Holy Trinity has only 2 small spires.
Title: Re: Photo of happy folk about to have a charabanc journey (1920s?) Elgin?
Post by: Calleva on Wednesday 20 September 23 19:27 BST (UK)
Thank you Forfarian, I agree Holy Trinity Church does not look likely so will eliminate from further enquiries.
Title: Re: Photo of happy folk about to have a charabanc journey (1920s?) Elgin?
Post by: Forfarian on Wednesday 20 September 23 19:42 BST (UK)
I had a look through https://www.geograph.org.uk/gridref/NJ2162 and https://www.geograph.org.uk/gridref/NJ2163 but didn't see anything else with similar spires.
Title: Re: Photo of happy folk about to have a charabanc journey (1920s?) Elgin?
Post by: Treetotal on Wednesday 20 September 23 22:31 BST (UK)
There appears to be a notice in one of the Windows over the head of the guy on the right. Maybe if you could get a high resolution scan of just the notice it may reveal where they are.
Carol
Title: Re: Photo of happy folk about to have a charabanc journey (1920s?) Elgin?
Post by: Forfarian on Wednesday 20 September 23 22:36 BST (UK)
Looking at the back of the bus, there is a railing and a lot of open space. I wonder if it could be on the west bank of the river in Inverness?

The Town House there has lots of small spires https://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/7480842
Title: Re: Photo of happy folk about to have a charabanc journey (1920s?) Elgin?
Post by: arthurk on Thursday 21 September 23 17:00 BST (UK)
There appears to be a notice in one of the Windows over the head of the guy on the right. Maybe if you could get a high resolution scan of just the notice it may reveal where they are.

I think there's also a destination board at the front, though it's mostly hidden.
Title: Re: Photo of happy folk about to have a charabanc journey (1920s?) Elgin?
Post by: Calleva on Sunday 24 September 23 11:39 BST (UK)
First, thank you very much to everyone for being so helpful.

I’ve looked at the possible destination details and poster on the side of the bus on original photo using a magnifying glass but no joy, I’m afraid. The photo is only 80mm x 55mm though.

Grateful for help on how I could get a high resolution image as Carol suggested.

A thought - since a location in the vicinity of Elgin is providing elusive, I’m wondering if the photo maybe shows some of the Gentleman family on my maternal Grannie’s side. They originally came from Hawick and went to Elgin before WW1 for family members to work as weavers in the Tweed and woollen mills before returning to Hawick.

Maybe a Border’s connection?
Title: Re: Photo of happy folk about to have a charabanc journey (1920s?) Elgin?
Post by: Forfarian on Sunday 24 September 23 17:51 BST (UK)
Have you dismissed my suggestion that it was in Inverness?
Title: Re: Photo of happy folk about to have a charabanc journey (1920s?) Elgin?
Post by: Calleva on Monday 25 September 23 15:23 BST (UK)
Sorry Forfarian, it was remiss of me to jump the gun. Funnily enough I’d Googled ‘4 Spires Scotland’ and the first link that came up is a view in Inverness -

https://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/1454651

Following your message I went onto Streetview to see if there could be a possible location to match but couldn’t easily see one. So yes I think Inverness may not be right but as I live quite close will carry out a recce to be certain.

I’ll report after the visit, apologies again for not properly addressing your suggestion at the time.
Title: Re: Photo of happy folk about to have a charabanc journey (1920s?) Elgin?
Post by: Forfarian on Monday 25 September 23 15:56 BST (UK)
What about https://www.instantstreetview.com/@57.477746,-4.22444,244.95h,1.22p,0z,3OX9NNQQMdPB5P2dVHRTsQ ?
Title: Re: Photo of happy folk about to have a charabanc journey (1920s?) Elgin?
Post by: Calleva on Thursday 28 September 23 18:18 BST (UK)
Quick update - planning to be in Inversnecky at the weekend, also getting some expert help on whether the images can be sharpened to read the writing. VMT
Title: Re: Photo of happy folk about to have a charabanc journey (1920s?) Elgin?
Post by: Forfarian on Thursday 28 September 23 21:52 BST (UK)
Inversnecky
:)
Title: Re: Photo of happy folk about to have a charabanc journey (1920s?) Elgin?
Post by: Calleva on Thursday 28 September 23 21:56 BST (UK)
https://nykdaily.com/2021/05/history-of-inverness-in-scotland/
Title: Re: Photo of happy folk about to have a charabanc journey (1920s?) Elgin?
Post by: Istrice on Friday 29 September 23 00:05 BST (UK)
I agree with Forfarian's suggestion that the photograph was taken in Inverness, but not at any of the locations previously mentioned.

I stand to be corrected but I would hazard a guess that the photograph was taken in Bank Street, at some point adjacent to the river, between the Junction Church at Fraser Street, and the Free Church near the suspension bridge.  (A Church outing perhaps)

The camera is pointing across the R. Ness and the 'spires' are those on St Mary's Church and adjacent buildings in Huntly Street.

The trees and railings fit, and when the photo was taken there was no flood protection wall above road level.
There appears to be a faint darker area in the photo, starting approximately half way up the back of the bus and extending to the right.  Could this be a very out of focus deck on the suspension bridge.

The upstairs terrace of the Mustard Seed Restaurant makes a great vantage point, and the food is excellent.

Istrice
Title: Re: Photo of happy folk about to have a charabanc journey (1920s?) Elgin?
Post by: Forfarian on Friday 29 September 23 09:19 BST (UK)
Here's a photo of St Mary's Church on Huntly Street

https://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/5853775
Title: Re: Photo of happy folk about to have a charabanc journey (1920s?) Elgin?
Post by: Calleva on Friday 29 September 23 10:45 BST (UK)
Thank you very much Istrice and Forfarian. From Streetview it was interesting to see the layout of the modern road surface seems to match the extent of the granite setts under the bus in the photo. I may be able to have a look at the suggested location if I have time this weekend, and will take a photo to share. Oh and we’ve heard very good things about the Mustardseed and our arms would not need too much twisting!
Title: Re: Photo of happy folk about to have a charabanc journey (1920s?) Elgin?
Post by: Calleva on Sunday 01 October 23 16:36 BST (UK)
Here’s a photo I took this afternoon along the riverfront in inverness - thoughts welcome on whether it could be the same spot as the original. I tried a number of possible locations along the but this one looked the most hopeful, it’s looking roughly SE on Huntly Street with Ness Bridge on the right.
Title: Re: Photo of happy folk about to have a charabanc journey (1920s?) Elgin?
Post by: Calleva on Sunday 01 October 23 16:38 BST (UK)
Sorry, left out ‘along the western bank of the river’
Title: Re: Photo of happy folk about to have a charabanc journey (1920s?) Elgin?
Post by: Forfarian on Sunday 01 October 23 17:32 BST (UK)
If the original does show the spires of the Town House, then I think the spot would have been upstream of the road bridge looking north-east.

A view from the spot where you took your photo would have included the suspension bridge where the present road bridge has been since 1961. See https://canmore.org.uk/site/13359/inverness-ness-suspension-bridge and https://www.ambaile.org.uk/asset/11352/

I am happy to be told I'm wrong about the Town House, but have you seen https://www.ambaile.org.uk/search/?searchQuery=town+house+exterior and https://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/5582325 ?