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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => London and Middlesex => Topic started by: Forfarian on Thursday 21 September 23 10:57 BST (UK)

Title: Westminster vs Islington
Post by: Forfarian on Thursday 21 September 23 10:57 BST (UK)
I am looking in the 1891, 1901 and 1911 censuses for Mary Hollist Heppell, who married William Masson Wilson in Chelsea in 1880. She was born in Islington in 1851, parents Lionel Charles Heppell and Mary Ann Baxter or Heppell, and she may be the one who died in Brentford in 1916.  Her husband was born in Bothwell, Lanarkshire in 1859 and died in Edinburgh in 1884. They may be the parents of Louise/a Masson Wilson, born 1883 in Pancras and died 1899 in Westminster.

In 1881 she is listed as Marry Wilson, aged 25, born Islington, living with her husband in Willesden.

In 1911, there is a Mary Wilson, widow, 61, in Chelsea Hospital, birthplace given as Westminster.

Not being familiar with where Westminster ends and Islington begins, is it possible that the one in Chelsea Hospital is the one I am looking for?
Title: Re: Westminster vs Islington
Post by: Watson on Thursday 21 September 23 11:01 BST (UK)
There's a very big difference between Islington and Westminster.
Title: Re: Westminster vs Islington
Post by: CaroleW on Thursday 21 September 23 11:11 BST (UK)
GRO online shows mmn for Louise Masson Wilson was Heppell
Title: Re: Westminster vs Islington
Post by: Forfarian on Thursday 21 September 23 11:11 BST (UK)
There's a very big difference between Islington and Westminster.
Yes, I understand that. Hence my question.

Do they have a mutual boundary? In terms of the registration districts of these names, did they include areas that are not generally regarded as being in the the area to which the name is informally applied? Were any areas in one ever transferred to the other? Is Mary's birthplace in 1911 an error, or could there have been some confusion?
Title: Re: Westminster vs Islington
Post by: mckha489 on Thursday 21 September 23 11:13 BST (UK)
The burial of Louisa has her address as 10 Haydn Park Road, Shepherds Bush.
I cannot find that street in either 1901 or 1891
Title: Re: Westminster vs Islington
Post by: Forfarian on Thursday 21 September 23 11:14 BST (UK)
GRO online shows mmn for Louise Masson Wilson was Heppell
Yes, that is where I found it.

I have not seen the birth certificate so I cannot yet be 100% sure that William Masson Wilson and Mary Hollist Heppell were her parents as there are other male Wilson/female Heppell marriages in the index at FreeBMD.
Title: Re: Westminster vs Islington
Post by: CaroleW on Thursday 21 September 23 11:16 BST (UK)
Louise was only baptised 29.6.1896 St Luke Shepherds Bush

Father William W Masson Wilson mother Mary Hollist Wilson
Title: Re: Westminster vs Islington
Post by: Forfarian on Thursday 21 September 23 11:17 BST (UK)
The burial of Louisa has her address as 10 Haydn Park Road, Shepherds Bush.
I cannot find that street in either 1901 or 1891
Thank you.

Does Shepherd's Bush come under Westminster RD?
Title: Re: Westminster vs Islington
Post by: Forfarian on Thursday 21 September 23 11:17 BST (UK)
Louise was only baptised 29.6.1896 St Luke Shepherds Bush
Father William W Masson Wilson mother Mary Hollist Wilson
Thank you :)

Title: Re: Westminster vs Islington
Post by: CaroleW on Thursday 21 September 23 11:20 BST (UK)
I haven't a clue & there is no mention of Shepherds Bush in this directory of place names

https://www.ukbmd.org.uk/reg/places/regindex2-2.pdf

Title: Re: Westminster vs Islington
Post by: mckha489 on Thursday 21 September 23 11:22 BST (UK)
Louisa’s death is registered Fulham

These details from free BMD

https://www.ukbmd.org.uk/reg/districts/fulham.html

Show that in 1901 some of Chelsea moved into Fulham and v.v.

If only could find Haydn Park road!  It’s in the newspapers, so did exist.
Title: Re: Westminster vs Islington
Post by: Forfarian on Thursday 21 September 23 11:22 BST (UK)
I have Mary and Louisa in the 1891 census in Islington. (Mary lied about her age!)
Title: Re: Westminster vs Islington
Post by: JenB on Thursday 21 September 23 11:27 BST (UK)
There's a very big difference between Islington and Westminster.
Yes, I understand that. Hence my question.

Do they have a mutual boundary? In terms of the registration districts of these names, did they include areas that are not generally regarded as being in the the area to which the name is informally applied? Were any areas in one ever transferred to the other? Is Mary's birthplace in 1911 an error, or could there have been some confusion?

Here is a useful map of registration districts as in 1881 and you can see that Islington and Westminster did not have a mutual boundary.
https://hharp.org/static/images/map-registration-districts.jpg

Here are details of movements in and out of Islington RD
https://www.ukbmd.org.uk/reg/districts/islington.html

And similarly for Westminster RD
https://www.ukbmd.org.uk/reg/districts/westminster.html
Title: Re: Westminster vs Islington
Post by: Forfarian on Thursday 21 September 23 11:32 BST (UK)
Thank you, JenB. That's just the sort of thing I wanted.

So either the Mary Wilson in Chelsea Hospital isn't mine, or someone got her birthplace wrong. :(
Title: Re: Westminster vs Islington
Post by: mckha489 on Thursday 21 September 23 11:34 BST (UK)
In 1911 Mary Hollest Wilson age 59 is in Acton, born St Mary, Islington
Her brother Edmund William and his two sons are visiting
Title: Re: Westminster vs Islington
Post by: Forfarian on Thursday 21 September 23 12:04 BST (UK)
Thank you :)

The transcription I am using has her down as Mary Hollert, which is unhelpful.
Title: Re: Westminster vs Islington
Post by: JenB on Thursday 21 September 23 12:05 BST (UK)
In 1911 Mary Hollest Wilson age 59 is in Acton, born St Mary, Islington
Her brother Edmund William and his two sons are visiting

That's good  :)

Acton was in Brentford RD

So might this be her death? Mary H Wilson aged 64, 1st q 1916, Brentford 3a, 264
(as mentioned in your original post)
Title: Re: Westminster vs Islington
Post by: JenB on Thursday 21 September 23 12:19 BST (UK)
According to Findagrave she's buried at Acton Cemetery
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/197389960/mary-hollist-wilson
Title: Re: Westminster vs Islington
Post by: CaroleW on Thursday 21 September 23 12:22 BST (UK)
GRO online confirms middle name was Hollist on the 1916 death

Oops - missed the Findagrave post ::)
Title: Re: Westminster vs Islington
Post by: Forfarian on Thursday 21 September 23 13:59 BST (UK)
And I've finally found her in 1901 - at 10 Hadyn (not Haydn) Park Road, Hammersmith/Shepherd's Bush.

Thanks, everyone, for all your help. :)

Now off to consider whether I need to cough up for any of the certificates. Apart from causes of death I doubt they'll tell me anything much that is new.
Title: Re: Westminster vs Islington
Post by: Chris Doran on Thursday 21 September 23 16:04 BST (UK)
According to Findagrave she's buried at Acton Cemetery
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/197389960/mary-hollist-wilson
A plot number search at Find a Grave reveals that this is a common grave with 14 other unrelated people. A photo on the memorial for one of them shows that it is unmarked. Sorry.
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/197389957/alice-margaret-hamlin
Title: Re: Westminster vs Islington
Post by: Forfarian on Thursday 21 September 23 16:44 BST (UK)
Thank you for that. As she had neither husband nor children at the time of her death, her brother Edmund had predeceased her in 1913, and as far as I know the rest of her relatives were in Northumberland, that doesn't surprise me.