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Title: Looking for marriage or death of Mary Hannah Hooper (1837-) Wolverhampton/Dudley
Post by: FrancisGrn on Sunday 24 September 23 08:45 BST (UK)
Dear All,

I'd like someone to have a look to see if they can find a marriage or death record for my ancestor's sister, Mary Hannah Hooper. Mary Hannah was born in 1837 in Wolverhampton, to William (1814-1885) and Sarah Ann Taylor (1817-1888). She was sister to Thomas (1835-died young), Eliza (1840-1872), Sarah Ann (1842-1921), Martha (1850-1883), William Henry (1851-1929) and Nora Eliza (1859-1943). She can be found in '41 in Wolverhampton and in '51 in Dudley, but then the trail runs dry.

Thanks,
Francis
Title: Re: Looking for marriage or death of Mary Hannah Hooper (1837-) Wolverhampton/Dudley
Post by: maddys52 on Sunday 24 September 23 10:27 BST (UK)
Have you considered the Hannah HOOPER who married John CUTLER 16 Oct 1855 at St Peter, Wolverhampton. (father - William ) - Wolverhampton dec qtr 1855 (6b/693)
Title: Re: Looking for marriage or death of Mary Hannah Hooper (1837-) Wolverhampton/Dudley
Post by: maddys52 on Sunday 24 September 23 10:36 BST (UK)
There is a Mary Hannah CUTLER died Jun qtr 1864 aged 27 registered at Dudley (6c/97) - a possibility.  :-\

Modified to add:
There are a few CUTLER children born at Dudley with mmn HOOPER from 1855 - 1864, but I can't see any after that.
This could possibly be them in 1861 at Dudley:

John CUTLER    26   Dudley
Mary H               22   
Thomas               5
RG9/2056/95 pg 9

though I can't see a birth for "Thomas", however there is  a "James" registered Jun qtr 1856 at Dudley mmn HOOPER
Title: Re: Looking for marriage or death of Mary Hannah Hooper (1837-) Wolverhampton/Dudley
Post by: softly softly on Sunday 24 September 23 10:49 BST (UK)
I was going down same route. Wonder if this Mary Hannah Cutler died in childbirth having had possible twins.

CUTLER, -       HOOPER 
GRO Reference: 1864  J Quarter in DUDLEY  Volume 06C  Page 152

CUTLER, -       HOOPER 
GRO Reference: 1864  J Quarter in DUDLEY  Volume 06C  Page 152

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Title: Re: Looking for marriage or death of Mary Hannah Hooper (1837-) Wolverhampton/Dudley
Post by: FrancisGrn on Sunday 24 September 23 12:53 BST (UK)
This sounds very interesting. What are the names of the other children born after Thomas? Do we know where they are after Mary has died?
Title: Re: Looking for marriage or death of Mary Hannah Hooper (1837-) Wolverhampton/Dudley
Post by: Milliepede on Sunday 24 September 23 16:08 BST (UK)
There are two male Cutler deaths in Jun 1864 on FreeBMD- I wonder if those relate to the two births. 

Can't see those entries on GRO index.
Title: Re: Looking for marriage or death of Mary Hannah Hooper (1837-) Wolverhampton/Dudley
Post by: Milliepede on Sunday 24 September 23 16:14 BST (UK)
There's a Henry born Mar 1860 - died Mar 1860 but without certificates not sure who the parents were.  Mothers maiden name is Hooper however.
Title: Re: Looking for marriage or death of Mary Hannah Hooper (1837-) Wolverhampton/Dudley
Post by: Milliepede on Sunday 24 September 23 16:26 BST (UK)
Possible 1871

John Cutler 35 head
Sebrah 29 wife
James 14 son

plus younger children

Marriage Dec 1864 John Cutler & Sebrah Cutler Hughes

In 1881 James is still with them age 25 born Dudley

Marriage for James in 1885 - more if you think correct person
Title: Re: Looking for marriage or death of Mary Hannah Hooper (1837-) Wolverhampton/Dudley
Post by: softly softly on Sunday 24 September 23 16:51 BST (UK)
CUTLER, JAMES       mmn HOOPER 
GRO Reference: 1856  J Quarter in DUDLEY  Volume 06C  Page 111

Born 1856, Baptised 18th April 1858 Dudley, John & Mary Hannah Hooper. (On FindMyPast)

As Milliepede has previously posted more info on James available if required.

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Title: Re: Looking for marriage or death of Mary Hannah Hooper (1837-) Wolverhampton/Dudley
Post by: FrancisGrn on Sunday 24 September 23 17:09 BST (UK)
Wow, thanks so much. James can be traced easily in Yorkshire. They had another daughter, Betsy, in 1861 before Mary Hannah died. She's the witness to James Cutler's marriage.
Title: Re: Looking for marriage or death of Mary Hannah Hooper (1837-) Wolverhampton/Dudley
Post by: softly softly on Sunday 24 September 23 17:28 BST (UK)
I believe that Betsy born c1861 who appears in 1871 census aged 10 born Oldbury with John & Sabrah (born 1842 as Sabrin Cutler) is Sabrahs daughter prior to marriage to John.

CUTLER, BETSY  RUTH     -  No mmn
GRO Reference: 1860  D Quarter in WEST BROMWICH  Volume 06B  Page 558

Name   Betsy Ruth Cutler
Gender   Female
Baptism Date   22 Nov 1860
Baptism Place   Oldbury,Worcester, England
Mother   Sebra Cutler
FHL Film Number   6085650
Reference ID   p53

1861 census ref for Betsy born Oldbury
Piece   2021
Folio   91
Page number   34

Betsy Ruth Hall(Cutler) married 1889 to William Butler.

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Name   Betsy Ruth Butler
Birth Date   1861
Death Date   17 Feb 1941
Cemetery   Upper and Lower Wortley Cemetery
Burial or Cremation Place   Wortley, Metropolitan Borough of Leeds, West Yorkshire, England
Title: Re: Looking for marriage or death of Mary Hannah Hooper (1837-) Wolverhampton/Dudley
Post by: FrancisGrn on Sunday 24 September 23 20:23 BST (UK)
Your work has been fantastic
Thanks for the help  ;D
Title: Re: Looking for marriage or death of Mary Hannah Hooper (1837-) Wolverhampton/Dudley
Post by: maddys52 on Monday 25 September 23 07:31 BST (UK)
This sounds very interesting. What are the names of the other children born after Thomas? Do we know where they are after Mary has died?

Don't think anyone has actually listed them yet (all mmn HOOPER):

1856 Jun qtr James CUTLER (Dudley 6c/111)
1860 Mar qtr Henry CUTLER (Dudley 6c/125)
1861 Dec qtr (male) CUTLER (Dudley 6c/144)
1864 Jun qtr (male) CUTLER (Dudley 6c/152)
1864 Jun qtr (male) CUTLER (Dudley 6c/152)

As has been previously noted, there is this possible death:
1860 Mar qtr Henry CUTLER (Dudley 6c/64)

And the 2 un-named male deaths which appear on FreeBMD but not on the GRO Index. Also an un-named male CUTLER death in Dec qtr 1861 (Dudley 6c/74). I have reported the discrepancy to the GRO, hopefully it will be sorted out eventually. When I have reported issues in the past, they have been resolved ... but take a very very long time.  :)

The GRO Index is free to search (you have to register first)  :D
https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/login.asp