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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Roscommon => Topic started by: samleonard91 on Monday 25 September 23 13:34 BST (UK)
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Hi All,
I am trying to track down more information around Owen Wren born 1841 in Roscommon, Ireland.
I know his father is called Stephen Wren as this is on his marriage cert (8th Sep 1866, Halifax), but do not know much else about him.
Does anyone know how I can find more information around his birth and his parents?
Thanks
Sam
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Welcome. :)
I struggled to find anything meaningful on this, though I did wonder if the surname Wren could possibly have alternated as Warren, for the Tithe Applotment Books show a Stephen Warren in the townland of Drumlish in the civil parish of Clooncraff (1842):
http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/reels/tab//004587424/004587424_00013.pdf
Drumlish: https://www.townlands.ie/roscommon/roscommon/clooncraff/creeve/drumlish/
Aughrim RC parish registers (same vicinity) show a Stephen Warren marrying a Maria McDermott on 11 December 1834, witnessed by John Brennan and Eleanor McGowan (right page, 4 entries up from bottom):
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633877#page/160/mode/1up
But other than these couple of Warren references, that was it. Hopefully other eyes will find something for you.
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1871 mistranscibed on Anc.. as Ring, names Margaret as his mother
Piece 4396, Folio 60, Page number 25
Halifax
Owen Ring 30 Head Ireland
Eliza Ring 30 Wife Ireland
John Ring 3 Son Halifax
Margaret Ring 1 Daughter "
Rose Ring 3 mths Daughter "
Margaret Ring 60 Mother, widow, Ireland
Looks likely infant death as not on following census with family.
WREN, ROSE mother's maiden MCGOVERN
GRO Reference: 1871 M Quarter in HALIFAX Volume 09A Page 448
Deaths Sep Q 1871
WREN Rose age 0 Halifax 9a 278
Cas
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Owen's mother being called Margaret in that 1871 census scuppers the 'Warren' folk in my previous post... I hadn't thought of 'Ring' as a surname alternative.
But in the light of that new information, what about the following marriage on 11 August 1836, in Kilronan RC parish, up to the north end of Roscommon and near the county borders with Leitrim and Sligo, it's for a Stephen 'Rynn' and Margaret Early, the witnesses were Peter Early and Catharine McDermott (left page, 4th entry down):
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632369#page/7/mode/1up
Just a possibility.
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Owen's mother being called Margaret in that 1871 census scuppers the 'Warren' folk in my previous post... I hadn't thought of 'Ring' as a surname alternative.
But in the light of that new information, what about the following marriage on 11 August 1836, in Kilronan RC parish, up to the north end of Roscommon and near the county borders with Leitrim and Sligo, it's for a Stephen 'Rynn' and Margaret Early, the witnesses were Peter Early and Catharine McDermott (left page, 4th entry down):
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632369#page/7/mode/1up
Just a possibility.
A good possible Gaffy...
When searching hints for me also came up with 'Ryan'
Cas
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I can't see 'Owen' per se, but I can see a son 'John' baptised in Kilronan RC parish on 8 January 1845 for Stephen Rynn and Margaret Early, the witnesses were Patrick and Margaret Matimore(?):
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632368#page/79/mode/1up (right page, 6th entry down)
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Thanks so much for your help Cas, the census was sat on my ancestory all of this time and never noticed his mother was there! :)
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I can't see 'Owen' per se, but I can see a son 'John' baptised in Kilronan RC parish on 8 January 1845 for Stephen Rynn and Margaret Early, the witnesses were Patrick and Margaret Matimore(?):
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632368#page/79/mode/1up (right page, 6th entry down)
Gaffy - Not sure if that would connect as age/name out.
Sam - could you give witness names...addresses and fathers occ from marriage cert it may help. Was Stephen marked as deceased?
Cas
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Hi Cas,
I am finding it difficult to read the marriage cert as the hand writing isn't very clear.
from what I can make our, Stephen Wren his father, was deceased at time of marriage (8th Sep 1866) He was a labourer.
Many thanks!
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Just to add..
Was curious about the 2 young boarders with Wren family in 1901. Sometimes there a clues to family
Owen Wren 56 Head
Eliza Wren 59 Wife
John Wren 33 Son
Thomas Wren 22 Son
Hannah Wren 27 Daughter
* Peter Maskey 8 Boarder (Mackey)
* Thomas Mackay 5 Boarder
They are both sons of daughter Hannah Maria.
Marriages Dec Q 1892 same page
MACKEY Robert Stockton 10a 160
Wren Hannah Maria Stockton 10a 160
Son born 1893
MACKEY, PETER mmn WREN
GRO Reference: 1893 M Quarter in STOCKTON Volume 10A Page 95
1st marriage must have been short lived as 2nd son b 1896 think this is the Thomas Mackey in 1901 ages are the same. Also unable to locate John Thomas Ballantine 1901.
BALLENTYNE, JOHN THOMAS mmn WREN
GRO Reference: 1896 M Quarter in STOCKTON Volume 10A Page 67
John & Hannah are together in 1911 with Ballantine children but don't marry until 1916. Maybe they were unable as Hannah was married.
Marriages Sep Q 1916
Ballantine John - Mackey Stockton 10a 142
Mackey Hannah - Ballantine Stockton 10a 142
Off original topic but thought would post as some the trees I viewed on family did not have Hannah married previously so unable to link the 1916 marriage.
Cas