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Title: Parents of Matthew DREW, early 18th century
Post by: garlands on Monday 16 October 23 12:23 BST (UK)

Matthew DREW was bap by Thomas & Elizabeth DREW on 03 Apr 1720 in Thornbury.

The only marriage of a Thomas DREW & Elizabeth XXXX I can find is:-

21 Aug 1712 Thomas DREW m Elizabeth WOOD in Bromyard - both of Thornbury

That would appear to settle the matter. Unfortunately, there are some flies in the ointment!
In total, there are 15 baptisms attributed to this couple, some in Bromyard, some in Thornbury, and TWO of these occur before the marriage date. What we have is:-

                            Bromyard                Thornbury

03 Mar 1710          Thomas
10 Jan 1712                                           Thomas
15 Jan 1714                                            Francis
19 Apr 1715            Anne
01 Aug 1717       John & Thomas
26 Sep 1717                                         Elizabeth
03 Mar 1719           Thomas
01 Aug 1719            John
03 Apr 1720                                           Matthew
31 Mar 1722                                              Mary
21 Apr 1722           Elizabeth
13 Jun 1724                                            Hannah
01 Dec 1727                                           Samuel
03 Mar 1729           Thomas

How many DREW families do we have?
Where & when are the other marriages?
Who are Matthew's parents?

Any and all help will be much appreciated

George

Title: Re: Parents of Matthew DREW, early 18th century
Post by: amondg on Monday 16 October 23 12:35 BST (UK)

They were both of Thornbury when married so the Thornbury baptisms would be attributed to them.

Did they marry by license?
I can only see a transcription, otherwise you would normally marry in your own village.   

ADDED
The Thomas baptism 10 January 1712 is this old style in which case it's 1713

Title: Re: Parents of Matthew DREW, early 18th century
Post by: garlands on Monday 16 October 23 12:49 BST (UK)

I'm afraid that, like you, I've only been able to access a transcription. I'm hoping someone might have access to the original.

Title: Re: Parents of Matthew DREW, early 18th century
Post by: Cas (stallc) on Monday 16 October 23 12:58 BST (UK)

Possible - Transcript only

Name   Thomas Drew
Marriage Date   5 Nov 1713
Marriage Place   Bosbury, Hereford, England
Spouse   Elizabeth Bissel
FHL Film Number   1593875
Reference ID   item 3

https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/HEF/Bosbury 

Bromyard & Thornbury can be seen on map so within travelling distance?

Bromyard, Herefordshire is 7 miles (12 Km) N of Bosbury, Herefordshire.  Thornbury, Herefordshire is 11 miles (18 Km) NW of Bosbury, Herefordshire
This is measured directly between the two points 'as the crow flies' ignoring any geographical features such as rivers or hills.

Cas

Title: Re: Parents of Matthew DREW, early 18th century
Post by: garlands on Monday 16 October 23 14:21 BST (UK)

Thanks. I'd seen that one, but it still leaves the 2 pre-nuptial baptisms un-explained, and did they subsequently end up living in Bromyard or Thornbury?

Title: Re: Parents of Matthew DREW, early 18th century
Post by: garlands on Monday 16 October 23 14:31 BST (UK)

They appear to have had 4 children, all baptized in Ashperton, although the mother's name is given as Sarah. Is that likely?

Title: Re: Parents of Matthew DREW, early 18th century
Post by: garlands on Wednesday 18 October 23 11:50 BST (UK)

In the period 1710 - 30, there are 5 'Thomas DREW' baptisms, with parents Thomas & Elizabeth, divided between Bromyard & Thornbury, but no burials. Does this imply 5 separate families? If so, where are the relevant marriages? If not, ditto burials?

Baptismal dates mean that there must have been at least 2 mothers so, presumably, 2 or more marriages. I've looked on FindMyPast, FreeReg & FamilySearch without success. Is it me, or are there records missing?

Title: Re: Parents of Matthew DREW, early 18th century
Post by: garlands on Thursday 19 October 23 14:15 BST (UK)

My comment concerning the Bospury marriage is WRONG. I have just come across:-

03 Apr 1700  Thomas DREW m Sarah BAGGARD in Hereford Cathedral  (Groom of Woolhope, Bride of Ashperton)

so the Ashperton baptisms must be of this couple's children. My apologies. This brings the Bospury marriage back into focus, although there remains the problem of the 1710 and 1712 baptisms.

Title: Re: Parents of Matthew DREW, early 18th century
Post by: garlands on Wednesday 25 October 23 11:21 BST (UK)

What about this? Timing is perfect; distance is ????

06 Dec 1708  Thomas DREW    m    Elizabeth HEATH    in   Lydiard Tregoze, Wilts
                      of Yatesbury               of Swindon

I cannot find any issue from this marriage anywhere near, neither can I find the burial of either party, so, did they move to Bromyard?

Title: Re: Parents of Matthew DREW, early 18th century
Post by: garlands on Thursday 26 October 23 10:23 BST (UK)

In the period 1700-10, the only other marriages, in England, between a Thomas DREW and an Elizabeth XXXX are in Middlesex (1701/2) and Yorkshire (1703). I believe that these are too early and too distant and can safely be ignored. Therefore, the one cited earlier must be of the parents of the infants baptizes in 1710 and 1712. Unfortunately, that still doesn't clarify which couple baptized Matthew in 1720!

Title: Re: Parents of Matthew DREW, early 18th century
Post by: garlands on Friday 27 October 23 13:15 BST (UK)

Knowing that Matthew's parents were either:-

06 Dec 1708  Thomas DREW m Elizabeth HEATH

                             or

21 Aug 1712  Thomas DREW m Elizabeth WOOD in Bromyard

I've been looking for a 'name' link with grandparents and, apart from the obvious 'Thomas' and Elizabeth, I've found:-

??.??.1686  bap of Elizabeth  to  Matthew & Elizabeth WOOD in Wacton

In the complete absence of any other instances of the name 'Matthew', I believe that these must be the parents I've been seeking, so my thanks to everyone who has contributed to the search.

I don't know why the day and month are missing from the transcript, but if anyone can provide them I should be most grateful.

Title: Re: Parents of Matthew DREW, early 18th century
Post by: Cas (stallc) on Friday 27 October 23 13:28 BST (UK)

Transcript only...other baptisms in area to likely same couple

Name   Elizabeth Wood
Baptism Date   18 Apr 1686
Baptism Place   Wacton, Hereford, England
Father   Matthew Wood
Mother   Elizabeth
FHL Film Number   1040029
Reference ID   item 11

Added: Mary same baptism date. Thomas 1698

Cas

Title: Re: Parents of Matthew DREW, early 18th century
Post by: garlands on Friday 27 October 23 14:34 BST (UK)

Cas

Thanks. That's great

George

Title: Re: Parents of Matthew DREW, early 18th century
Post by: garlands on Friday 27 October 23 23:40 BST (UK)

I believe that this thread is now complete so, unless anyone has any corrections to make, I shall mark it as such shortly.

Title: Re: Parents of Matthew DREW, early 18th century
Post by: garlands on Sunday 29 October 23 09:46 GMT (UK)

My thanks to all who've contributed to this topic, which I am now marking as completed. I shall be back shortly with a slightly different problem!

George