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Research in Other Countries => Canada => Canada Lookup Request => Topic started by: murray79 on Saturday 21 October 23 08:58 BST (UK)
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Hi there,
I am trying to find out what happened to a family member who emigrated to Canada from Scotland.
Name Frank(Francis) McGregor Teviotdale Walker
Born: 22 July 1893, Dundee, Scotland
Last known marital status: Single
After arriving in Canada he enlisted in the Canadian Over-seas Expeditionary Forces (Nov 16th 1914) to serve in WW1, but was discharge due to illness on October 30th 1916, he returned to Montreal, Canada, and I can find no further detail.
Thanks in advance,
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I wonder if this is him
U.S., Railroad Retirement Pension Index, 1934-1987
Name F Walker [Frank McGregor Walker]
Birth Date Jul 1893
Claim ID 710187995
SSN 710187995
Industry - Railroad
Kay
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The dates and name certainly line up perfectly!
Can I ask how you found this?
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It is on Anc but there is no access to the image
Kay
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Have you seen this on Anc?
U.S., Social Security Applications and Claims Index, 1936-2007
Name Frank McGregor Walker
Gender Male
Race White
Birth Date 22 Jul 1893
Birth Place Dundee, United Kingdom
Father
Andrew Walker
Mother
Annie Teviotdale
SSN 710187995
Notes Jan 1939: Name listed as FRANK MCGREGOR WALKER
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Also on Ancestry:
Marriage of Francis Walker, car-man, son of Andrew Walker and his wife Annie “Taviotdale”, and
Annie Stewart (cannot read her occupation), both of Verdun, Quebec, Canada. Both of full age.
2 July 1921, Cote-St-Paul, Quebec. Church: Cote-St-Paul
Presence of John Thomas Kinley and Elizabeth Kinley
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It looks like Frank and Annie and their children were living in Verdun in 1931 (source: 1931 census). However this man immigrated in 1909.
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It looks like Frank and Annie and their children were living in Verdun in 1931 (source: 1931 census). However this man immigrated in 1909.
Good find Lisa. :)
WALKER FRANCIS MCG TEV / TEVIOTDALE - 1893 - 282 / 1 / 569 - ST PETER
This is the 1931 census Verdun Quebec. Lines 9/10/11/12/13
Frank Walker 39 Chef (Head)
Annie Walker 30 Wife
Agnes Walker 10 Daughter
Irene Walker 9 Daughter
Anne Walker 5 Daughter
Sandra
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marriage of Agnes Walker - 1941
Agnes A Walker - Agnes Anne Walker (minor - written consent)
Marriage Date 26 th April 1941 Verdun, Québec (Quebec), Canada
Marriage Church Verdun
Place of Worship or Institution United Church
Spouse Edward Russell Warnock
Daughter of Francis McGregor Teviotdale Walker and Annie Stewart.
Sandra
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FIND A GRAVE
Agnes Ann Walker Warnock - 1922 - 1987
Urgel Bourgie Memorial Gardens
Montreal, Montreal Region, Quebec, Canada
PLOT Section B
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/256168419/agnes-ann-warnock
Edward Russell Warnock - 1916 - 1951 (with obituary attached)
Urgel Bourgie Memorial Gardens
Montreal, Montreal Region, Quebec, Canada
PLOT Section B
daughter - Carole Heather Warnock Hooper - 1942 - 1982 (obit attached)
Urgel Bourgie Memorial Gardens
Montreal, Montreal Region, Quebec, Canada
PLOT Section B
Sandra
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Agnes Ann Walker / Warnock / Wallace. (remarried)
The Gazette
Montreal, Quebec, Canada
Sat, 15 Aug 1987 Page 94
https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-gazette/133822335/
Sandra
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Wilbur Wallace (second husband of Agnes Ann Walker/Warnock/Wallace/ - 1921 - 2020 Obituary
(with photograph)
https://www.legacy.com/ca/obituaries/sherbrookerecord/name/wilbur-wallace-obituary?id=40560421
Sandra
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Annie Laurie Walker/Gambrell (deceased by first husband Fred Whitcombe) - daughter of Frank and Annie Stewart Walker.
The Gazette
Montreal, Quebec, Canada
Sat, 10 May 2008 Page 38
https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-gazette/133823290/
Sandra
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Sister of Frank. Mabel Walker Blair and Alexander ( tourists )
Canadian Passenger List - Mabel Walker Blair - 1891 Scotland - Glasgow to Quebec arriving 23 June 1934 on the Athenia (aged 43 years) Husband Alexander Blair (aged 52 years) born Tayport.
Going to brother/brother-in-law John Walker - 373 Congregation Street. Montreal.
Son Alistair Blair, 13 Heronhill Terrace. Dundee.
Border Crossing Canada to USA - In transit - 10 days - - Mable Blair - 23 January 1891 Dundee Scotland (aged 43 years)
Port of Arrival Niagara Falls, New York
Accompanied by Husband Alexander
Spouse Alexander
Child Alistair Blair. 13 Havertill Terrace. Dundee, Scotland.
UK Incoming
Mabel Blair 1891 - arriving 17 August 1934 - (aged 43 years)
Port of Departure Quebec, Canada - Arrival Date 17 Aug 1934 Port of Arrival Glasgow, Scotland - 13 Hermon Hill Terrace. Dundee. Alexander aged 62 years - retired.
Ship Name Letitia
FIND A GRAVE
Dundee Western Cemetery 2
Alexander Blair - passed 31 st October 1935
Mabel Walker - passed29 September 1981
Sandra
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WALKER JOHN TEVIOTDALE - 1888 - 282 / 1 / 717 - ST PETER
Possible for brother John - 1931 census 570 Congregational - Montreal, Quebec, Canada. Both born Scotland.
John Walker 42 Head. Born 1889. Imm 1911.
Jean Walker 48 Wife
Lines 25/26
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01sqm/
Sandra
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Hi,
A visit for wife Annie to her Mum in Scotland,
There is a UK Incoming Passenger List on the ship Letitia from Montreal to Glasgow arriving
May 25, 1925
Walker, Annie, age 25, going to 524 Calder St. Glasgow
Walker, Agnes, age 3
Walker, Irene, age 2
There is a Canada Incoming Passenger List on the ship Letitia from Glasgow to Montreal arriving
Oct. 17, 1925
Walker, Annie Stewart, age 26, b. Scotland, destination to husband Frank Walker, coming from
Mrs. Peter Stewart, Mother, 526 Calder Street
Walker, Agnes Ann, age 3-1/2, b. Canada
Walker, Irene Mabel, age 2-1/2, b. Canada
See here, from Library and Archives Canada, t14720, page 191
https://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/microform-digitization/006003-119.01-e.php?q2=12&q3=871&sqn=191&tt=628&PHPSESSID=7hc1329829frjtonmf2458l5i0d5t5c575vhcntp35568k40ph70
DB
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Hi,
From posts 1 and 4 with the mention of USA Social Security #, it doesn't mean that Frank ever lived in the USA. He may have ended up crossing the border on the odd occasion for work, which would
require him to have a USA Social Security #.
It's complicated and even I don't understand it. It had to do with the Railroad Pension Act and USA/Canada taxation agreements. I am aware of this as my late father-in-law was a Canadian
National Railway employee with a USA Social Security # but was a life long resident of Montreal.
Having said that, I think this is Frank in the Canada Voters Lists,
1945/1949/1958/1962/1963/1965 with an address in Verdun, Quebec
Walker, Frank, carman inspector, CNR (Canadian National Railway)
Walker, Annie, Mrs.
In 1949, daughter Annie is listed as Walker, Annie Miss, buyer, along with her parents.
In 1962/1963/1965 Frank is listed as retired.
DB
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Great stuff dbree :) Haven't had any luck so far finding John Walker born 1888 after the 1931
census.
Sandra
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Elusive he is. ???
John doesn't appear on any Canada Voters Lists and yet he is in the Montreal Directories
at the same address as the 1931 census and is there until 1957 as a carman, CNR, 570 Congregation Street.
DB
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Thank you dbree :) Was he with Jean or on his own ? Still can't find him. :-\
Sandra
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No, he was by himself. But with that time frame sometimes the "much better half" isn't listed.
It's odd that he doesn't appear on the Voters Lists.
DB
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Haha, yes that's true. Never did find an incoming passenger list in 1911 and Jean could be Jane, Jeanie, Janet etc.,
Oh well I keep having a peep but he is elusive as you said.
Original poster has not returned again so no feed back from that end.
Sandra
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I couldn't find him or her on a passenger list either.
Yep, I'll keep peeping too.
Adding the Montreal Directories link in case OP wants to have a look.
http://more.stevemorse.org/montreal_en.html
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Hi All,
Thanks all so much for this information, it is so helpful.
Sorry for the late reply, my family research is all part time at the moment and I get back to it when I can. :)
You have definitely found information that matches my current findings. And thanks for the heads up about John, I agree this may well be his brother.
Thanks
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I've done some further investigations this evening but have been unable to verify this John is the brother of Frank, he definitely had one though and the date of birth 1889 would match.
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Congregational Street Montreal which sister Mabel Walker Blair headed to, may be a very good clue to the right John. He just appears to be elusive.
Sandra
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Thanks Sandra, yes I think this is the clue that ties it all together.
Congregation Street shows up in Franks WW1 discharge papers as well although the number is different. It makes sense they would all locate in the same area doesn't it?
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I also am not 100% on the date of Franks immigration. He signed his papers to go off to WW1 on the 14th November 1914 from Canada, so immigration in around 1909 to Canada is highly likely.
I'm searching for Frank through the Montreal City Directory post 1919 after his return from war but cannot see him.
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Although Frank was "discharged" from active duty, his official discharge was end of war.
If you look at the bottom of his info/current address card, you will see a date in "fresher" ink. Usually this means the date pension has stopped as recipient has passed away.
(Also, his birth date wanders a bit in his service records; on his attestation he says 26 July 1890, and on one of his medical forms, 22 July 1892, so even though you know his true birth year, widen your search parameters!)
Anyways, he possibly died 19 Apr 1968.
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Having said that, I think this is Frank in the Canada Voters Lists,
1945/1949/1958/1962/1963/1965 with an address in Verdun, Quebec
Walker, Frank, carman inspector, CNR (Canadian National Railway)
Walker, Annie, Mrs.
In 1949, daughter Annie is listed as Walker, Annie Miss, buyer, along with her parents.
In 1962/1963/1965 Frank is listed as retired.
DB
That was a good guide dbree - found In Memoriam (in 1966) for Annie Stewart Walker - passed 5 th February 1965
The Montreal Star
Montreal, Quebec, Canada
Sat, 5 Feb 1966 Page 44
https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-montreal-star/134655905/
Sandra
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Although Frank was "discharged" from active duty, his official discharge was end of war.
If you look at the bottom of his info/current address card, you will see a date in "fresher" ink. Usually this means the date pension has stopped as recipient has passed away.
(Also, his birth date wanders a bit in his service records; on his attestation he says 26 July 1890, and on one of his medical forms, 22 July 1892, so even though you know his true birth year, widen your search parameters!)
Anyways, he possibly died 19 Apr 1968.
Good pair of eyes bbart - Haven't found a death notice or obit 1968 so far for Frank/Francis McGregor Walker :-\
Sandra
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The Montreal Star
Montreal, Quebec, Canada
Sat, 6 Feb 1965 Page 66
https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-montreal-star/134656321/
Any sightings of son Norman ?
Sandra
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Annie's obit. well done. :)
From the other obits. that Sandra found, it appears that all of Frank's children leave the Montreal
area. He being retired and a widow, may have picked up and moved closer to one of them.
DB
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Could this be Norman Frank Walker - son of Frank and Annie - brother of Annie Laurie Walker Gambrell ?
Married - February 19, 1946
Edmonton Journal
Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
Tue, 20 Oct 2015
Page 30
https://www.newspapers.com/article/edmonton-journal/134727841/
https://edmontonjournal.remembering.ca/obituary/norman-walker-1065744284
Sandra
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This would be Ruth nee Holland Walker - wife of Norman Frank Walker
Edmonton Journal
Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
Tue, 28 Aug 2018
Page C7
https://www.newspapers.com/article/edmonton-journal-obituary-for-ruth-walke/134729225/
Sandra
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Could be, maybe. b. July 10, 1923 (give or take)
I did think that Norman was born after 1931 as he doesn't appear on the 1931 Canadian census
He also doesn't appear on that trip back home that Annie took in 1925 with both girls.
I did look for a birth for him but after 1931.
DB
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Not spotting a birth for Norman.
Both sisters baptised Oct. 21, 1923, Agnes b. Jan. 10, 1922, Irene Dec. 20, 1922. If these dates
are accurate, yikes, 2 children the same year.
DB
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Annie Laurie Walker/Gambrell (deceased by first husband Fred Whitcombe) - daughter of Frank and Annie Stewart Walker.
The Gazette
Montreal, Quebec, Canada
Sat, 10 May 2008 Page 38
https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-gazette/133823290/
Sandra
Lots of little "herrings" :)
I didn't come across a birth record either :-\ Likewise I was thinking the other side of 1931. :-\
A fair distance Blairmore Alberta to Montreal ........ :-\ Could be way out with the connection. :-\
Also wondered if it could have been a son of John Walker :-\
The names in Annie Laurie Walker/Gambrell obit - referenced a Norman and Ruth - so I went with those names for a while.
The name Norman did feature in among brothers of Frank ??? He was killed or died as a direct result of enemy action. 19 th May 1915 - Drake Battalion Royal Naval Division - Buried Near Div Hq, Southern End of Gallipoli Peninsula - Father: Andrew 168, Hawks Hill, Dundee.
1901 census 14 Wilkies Lane Dundee.
Andrew Walker 56 Head
Ann Walker 58 Wife
Andrew Walker 14 Son
John Walker11 Son
Mabel Walker 9 Daur (Daughter)
Frank Walker 7 Son
Alexander Walker 5 Son
Norman Walker 5 Son
Sandra
Agnes Wallace who passed in 1987 put Norman in Ottawa. ??