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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Northumberland => England => Northumberland Lookup Requests => Topic started by: MiraMax131 on Thursday 02 November 23 13:56 GMT (UK)
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Can anyone tell me if it’s possible to see tynemouth marriage banns online and if so where. My mothers great grandfather was William Chambers but we have no further information for him. We have a marriage record for his daughter Elizabeth (my mothers grandmothers)marriage but it doesn’t state the occupation of her father William. If we had her fathers occupation we may be able to trace him with that. Would the marriage banns have that information.
Elizabeth chambers was married in Tynemouth to William Lumley on 9th April 1846. thomas Lumley also appears on the marriage certificate but we are not sure how he is related to Elizabeth. We have no accurate DOB for Elizabeth it varies between 1817 and 1821.
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Marriage banns normally only give names of bride and groom, possibly ages/occupation and parish plus the 3 dates that the banns were called
Elizabeth chambers was married in Tynemouth to William Lumley on 9th April 1846. thomas Lumley also appears on the marriage certificate but we are not sure how he is related to Elizabeth. We have no accurate DOB for Elizabeth it varies between 1817 and 1821.
Did you mean Thomas Chambers as if he was Lumley is he not a relation of the groom
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Where do you have William and Elizabeth in 1851/61
ADDED I see from you earlier post that she married Thomas Lumley not William
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=839276.0
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We have a marriage record for his daughter Elizabeth (my mothers grandmothers)marriage but it doesn’t state the occupation of her father William.
Just to clarify - you are saying that the section of the certificate for the father's occupation has been left blank?
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Marriage banns don't normally give details other than the couple's names and places of residence, so you wouldn't get details of Elizabeth's father from there.
Why do you think that Elizabeth Chambers is not the child baptised in South Shields in 1817, daughter of William Chambers, shipwright?
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When you say you've got a marriage record which doesn't include the bride's father's occupation are you referring to this one?
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-DC13-GS2?i=533
This is pre-1837 parish register format for marriages.
If this is the document you mention, please take another look at my posting here on your earlier thread on the same topic.
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=839276.msg7050853#msg7050853
At this time this church was, for some reason, still recording marriages in the old pre-1837 format as well as the 'new' format (which did include occupations). But only the 'old' format is shown on Family Search.
A certificate from the GRO will have a section for occupations.
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1841 has an Ann Chambers 25 and Elizabeth Chambers 20 in Westoe Durham.
Ann could be her sister, if any further records come up for Ann it might help with her father.
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1841 has an Ann Chambers 25 and Elizabeth Chambers 20 in Westoe Durham.
Ann could be her sister, if any further records come up for Ann it might help with her father.
I think I’m right in saying that that was looked at in the earlier thread :-\
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Ah I didn't look at an earlier thread - noted thanks JenB.
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I’m sorry everyone, Elizabeth Chambers marriage was to Thomas Lumley, Elizabeth’s father was a William Chambers and it was in the presence of Thomas Chambers.
We have been trying to find a connection between Elizabeth and William or Elizabeth and Thomas or William and Thomas but haven’t been able to. I was thinking it might be William Chambers shipwright
but can’t find him at all with either a Thomas or Elizabeth.
I keep coming back to the 41 census with Ann 25 and Elizabeth 20 but so far I haven’t been able to connect Ann to any of the above, I have searched newspaper articles which is where I find most useful info but no luck.
I have now emailed the GRO to ask if I would get a full certificate for Thomas Lumley and Elizabeth Chambers marriage.
Thank you to all for help and advice.
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Not sure if this has been noted yet but on the Bapt of Thomas Chambers 26 Mar 1807 St Hilda, South Shields;
Father native of Fishlick York` Mother native of Whitby York`e By his wife 1st son
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I have looked at the Church entry on microfilm and William's occupation is recorded:
Christ Church
Entry 304
9 April 1846
Thomas Lumley & Elizabeth Chambers
Both Full age
Bachelor & Spinster
His occupation: Teacher
Both: This Parish
Fathers:
Stephen Lumley - Wool (Comber?)
William Chambers - Shipwright
Thomas signed name; Elizabeth made her mark
Witnesses: Thomas Chambers & Robert Davison
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I have looked at the Church entry on microfilm and William's occupation is recorded:
Christ Church
Entry 304
9 April 1846
Thomas Lumley & Elizabeth Chambers
Both Full age
Bachelor & Spinster
His occupation: Teacher
Both: This Parish
Fathers:
Stephen Lumley - Wool (Comber?)
William Chambers - Shipwright
Thomas signed name; Elizabeth made her mark
Witnesses: Thomas Chambers & Robert Davison
That ties in with Jonw65's posts on your earlier thread
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=839276.18
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I have looked at the Church entry on microfilm and William's occupation is recorded:
You are a treasure!
As I said, two sets of registers :) No need to send for the certificate now.
I wonder why they were still keeping an 'old style' register as well?
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Thanks for compliment, Jen. :)
Yes, there are two types of records for this Church.
This particular microfilm shows full record. It is at North Shields local studies.
On box is recorded:
929.3 Christ Church North Shields
and in bold is the reference:
NA 241
I know .. the mind boggles as to why they kept an old style record as well with less information. ::)
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Perhaps the parish priest of the time disapproved of the new-fangled ideas about registers and was determined to keep the old ones going.
It would be interesting to know how long this practice was continued?
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There is another microfilm box reference : GS - 1068930 which records
'Marriages 25/07/1849-1868 (old certs)
&
'Marriages 1837-1839 (new style certs)
Yes, I suspect you are right about some priest disapproving of new fangled ideas! ;D
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Thank you so much to everyone on here for your help. Special thanks to River Tyne Lass for the answer to our puzzle, hopefully we can now follow Stephen Chambers shipwright and get some more information.
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Don't you mean William :). Have you looked back at Jonw65's replies on your old thread
I have looked at the Church entry on microfilm and William's occupation is recorded:
Christ Church
Entry 304
9 April 1846
Thomas Lumley & Elizabeth Chambers
Both Full age
Bachelor & Spinster
His occupation: Teacher
Both: This Parish
Fathers:
Stephen Lumley - Wool (Comber?)
William Chambers - Shipwright
Thomas signed name; Elizabeth made her mark
Witnesses: Thomas Chambers & Robert Davison
That ties in with Jonw65's posts on your earlier thread
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=839276.18