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Title: Sarah Fielden nee Crossley, Todmorden.
Post by: Althea7 on Sunday 05 November 23 21:08 GMT (UK)
One of my ancestors, Sarah Fielden nee Crossley, I have down as died 7th May 1849 age 74.  I can't remember where I got those dates from, probably an Ancestry tree or Geneanet.

My ancestor was the widow of James Fielden of Square (Walsden), 1768-1828.

I looked up Sarah's death record on the GRO, but couldn't find anything for 1849.  I searched from 1837 to 1860, and the only death of a Sarah Fielden anywhere near those dates, other than some who died age 0 or otherwise much too young, was 1842, M quarter in Todmorden, age 75, which would make her born 1767, so similar to her husband.

When I ordered the Digital Image from the GRO, which now cost £2.50, it says she was the widow of a John Fielden.

James Fielden did have a brother called John, also born in the 1760's, and I am wondering if there is a marriage between Sarah and John Fielden, after James Fielden's death in 1828?  In Todmorden/Walsden.
Title: Re: Sarah Fielden nee Crossley, Todmorden.
Post by: heywood on Sunday 05 November 23 21:22 GMT (UK)
There is this person:

1841 552/33/24
Wood Bottom

Sally Fielden 70 yrs Independent
Sally Fielden 35 yrs cotton weaver
Both born in county
The entry below and in the same premises
Thomas Lord 35 yrs labourer
Mary Lord 35 yrs
Betty Lord 15 yrs
Title: Re: Sarah Fielden nee Crossley, Todmorden.
Post by: heywood on Sunday 05 November 23 21:28 GMT (UK)
In 1851 2289 /323/9
Sarah Fielden 48 yrs is sister in law to Thomas Lord at Wood Bottom.

Not sure if this helps you though.
Title: Re: Sarah Fielden nee Crossley, Todmorden.
Post by: heywood on Sunday 05 November 23 21:41 GMT (UK)
Possibility for your Sarah?
 1851 2289/543/15

Higher S..out (doesn’t quite look like Scout)
Sally Fielden widow 77 years Annuitant b Walsden
Sarah Sutcliff 11 (?) yrs b Walsden

Death July 16th 1858
Sally Fielden 84 yrs Higher Scout
Title: Re: Sarah Fielden nee Crossley, Todmorden.
Post by: Althea7 on Sunday 05 November 23 21:56 GMT (UK)
Thanks, I am sure all that information fits in somewhere, and Thomas Lord was the Informant on the death certificate.

Maybe her death is listed on the GRO as Sally rather than Sarah?  Edit:  I just checked the GRO and there is no Sally Fielden either of likely age died 1849 + or - 2 years.

James Fielden 1768-1828's brother John I have down as 1765-1806, so he died before his brother.  I must have got these dates from Ancestry or Geneanet trees, so they could be wrong.

These were all extremely common surnames in that area.
Title: Re: Sarah Fielden nee Crossley, Todmorden.
Post by: heywood on Monday 06 November 23 08:03 GMT (UK)
I can’t see an 1849 death, the 1858 one looks the best one for your Sarah (Sally) as it is the residence you have and the age fits.
Title: Re: Sarah Fielden nee Crossley, Todmorden.
Post by: lancsann on Monday 06 November 23 15:59 GMT (UK)
That extract from the burials register you posted is dated 1842

There is this Sarah

   FIELDEN, SARAH       75 
GRO Reference: 1842  M Quarter in TODMORDEN  Volume 21  Page 594
Title: Re: Sarah Fielden nee Crossley, Todmorden.
Post by: Althea7 on Tuesday 07 November 23 18:11 GMT (UK)
That extract from the burials register you posted is dated 1842

There is this Sarah

   FIELDEN, SARAH       75 
GRO Reference: 1842  M Quarter in TODMORDEN  Volume 21  Page 594

That is the one that I got, shown above, and I think it is probably not the Sarah Fielden I am looking for.

It seems as though the names Sarah and Sally were interchangeable, and in this case maybe used to differentiate related individuals named Sarah.
Title: Re: Sarah Fielden nee Crossley, Todmorden.
Post by: heywood on Tuesday 07 November 23 18:17 GMT (UK)
Sally was/is a pet name for Sarah so not necessarily used to distinguish individuals.
Title: Re: Sarah Fielden nee Crossley, Todmorden.
Post by: lancsann on Thursday 09 November 23 16:54 GMT (UK)
I assume this is the burial at St Mary's of your James

1828   27-Oct   James           Square   60

no spouse name given but I would guess the register at the time only recorded male spouses as none are recorded in the list

Title: Re: Sarah Fielden nee Crossley, Todmorden.
Post by: dobfarm on Friday 10 November 23 07:31 GMT (UK)
On Freebmd website there is this that needs checking out on the GRO website for the age

Iif as you sayin post 1 ~ your Sarah died in May could have been registered later in July by the registrar as it was job to register the death not the family them years


June to Sept 1849


Deaths Sep 1849   (>99%)
Fielden    Sarah        Todmorden    21   497


I think this is where your 1849 death year for SARAH may have also  have come from even though the months of death are different           


Familysearch website

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Sarah Fielden
Age   0
Birth Year (Estimated)   1849
Event Type   Burial
Event Date   12 Oct 1849
Event Place   Walsden, Lancashire, England, United Kingdom
Event Place (Original)   Walsden, Lancaster, England

name   Sarah Fielden
Event Type   Death
Event Date   1849
Event Place   Todmorden, Yorkshire, England

Registration District   Todmorden
Page   510
Volume   21
Affiliate Line Number   75
Registration Quarter   Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration Year   1849


Title: Re: Sarah Fielden nee Crossley, Todmorden.
Post by: lancsann on Friday 10 November 23 08:56 GMT (UK)
Sept qtr on Freebmd = deaths registered in July, August & September so probably a bit late for a May death and would be that Sarah age 0.

June qtr = April, May & June
Title: Re: Sarah Fielden nee Crossley, Todmorden.
Post by: BumbleB on Friday 10 November 23 09:05 GMT (UK)
From GRO website - 3 deaths in Todmorden Registration District in 1849

Sarah Fielden - March quarter - aged 8
Sarah Fielden - September quarter - aged 0
Sarah Fielden - December quarter - aged 0
Title: Re: Sarah Fielden nee Crossley, Todmorden.
Post by: Althea7 on Friday 10 November 23 17:15 GMT (UK)
I assume this is the burial at St Mary's of your James

1828   27-Oct   James           Square   60

no spouse name given but I would guess the register at the time only recorded male spouses as none are recorded in the list

Thanks.
Title: Re: Sarah Fielden nee Crossley, Todmorden.
Post by: Althea7 on Friday 10 November 23 17:27 GMT (UK)
The Sarah Fielden I am looking for married James Fielden of Square, Walsden (1768-1828) in 1797, when she was 22, and their other children are born after this date.  But my ancestor John Fielden 1791-1848 was born before their marriage, so I am not sure about things.  Sarah would have been 16 when he was born, and not yet married.

I got the GRO death digital image for John Fielden, at least I think I have the right one, it says he died 24th July 1848 at Knowl Wood, Walsden, age 58, Labourer, and the Informant is Coroner Dearden who gives his cause of death as "Visitation of God".
Title: Re: Sarah Fielden nee Crossley, Todmorden.
Post by: lancsann on Friday 10 November 23 17:42 GMT (UK)
From GRO website - 3 deaths in Todmorden Registration District in 1849

Sarah Fielden - March quarter - aged 8
Sarah Fielden - September quarter - aged 0
Sarah Fielden - December quarter - aged 0

There is a burial at St Peter's of a Sarah a7 on 26-1-1849 d of Wm & Mary
& Sarah age 9wks 9-10-1849 d of THos & Alice
Title: Re: Sarah Fielden nee Crossley, Todmorden.
Post by: lancsann on Friday 10 November 23 17:49 GMT (UK)
at St Mary's - burial

1848   27-Jul   John           Knowlwood   58
Title: Re: Sarah Fielden nee Crossley, Todmorden.
Post by: lancsann on Friday 10 November 23 18:07 GMT (UK)
Is this the marriage of your James

Marriage: 9 Nov 1797 St Chad, Rochdale, Lancashire
James Fielding - (X), Hundersfield in this parish
Sarah Crossley - (X), Hundersfield in this parish
    Witnesses: Luke Nield; Thos. Fletcher

How did you determine that this one was your James? The are a few James/Sarah marriages
Title: Re: Sarah Fielden nee Crossley, Todmorden.
Post by: dobfarm on Friday 10 November 23 21:52 GMT (UK)
Sept qtr on Freebmd = deaths registered in July, August & September so probably a bit late for a May death and would be that Sarah age 0.

June qtr = April, May & June

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Title: Re: Sarah Fielden nee Crossley, Todmorden.
Post by: heywood on Friday 10 November 23 22:15 GMT (UK)
One of my ancestors, Sarah Fielden nee Crossley, I have down as died 7th May 1849 age 74.  I can't remember where I got those dates from, probably an Ancestry tree or Geneanet.

My ancestor was the widow of James Fielden of Square (Walsden), 1768-1828.


A published tree has the marriage of Sarah Crossley and James Fielden and his death. (Square, 1828).
It then has a marriage for Sarah Fielden and Ruben Haigh in 1830 (both of Walsden) at St Chad’s  Rochdale.
** The parish record has this Sarah as a Spinster
There is then a death for Sarah Haigh, 74 yrs, of Square - 7th May 1849

Title: Re: Sarah Fielden nee Crossley, Todmorden.
Post by: dobfarm on Saturday 11 November 23 15:27 GMT (UK)
One of my ancestors, Sarah Fielden nee Crossley, I have down as died 7th May 1849 age 74.  I can't remember where I got those dates from, probably an Ancestry tree or Geneanet.

My ancestor was the widow of James Fielden of Square (Walsden), 1768-1828.


A published tree has the marriage of Sarah Crossley and James Fielden and his death. (Square, 1828).
It then has a marriage for Sarah Fielden and Ruben Haigh in 1830 (both of Walsden) at St Chad’s  Rochdale.
** The parish record has this Sarah as a Spinster
There is then a death for Sarah Haigh, 74 yrs, of Square - 7th May 1849

Well the index is there

HAIGH, SARAH       74 
GRO  1849  J Quarter in TODMORDEN (reg District) Volume 21  Page 568
 
Title: Re: Sarah Fielden nee Crossley, Todmorden.
Post by: lancsann on Saturday 11 November 23 16:42 GMT (UK)
1849   07-May   Sarah Haigh     74   Square

No spouse named which as the entry below (Betty) has a spouse of Rueben seems to indicate she was not married but not guaranteed true
Title: Re: Sarah Fielden nee Crossley, Todmorden.
Post by: heywood on Saturday 11 November 23 17:06 GMT (UK)
It is so difficult because of the names/records
I see your point lancsann re no husband’s name.

In 1841 552/27/12
Hollow Dean, Walsden
Reuben Haigh, 60yrs Farmer
Sally 65 yrs
Mary 20yrs
James Fielden 20 yrs

1851
Hollow Dean
James Fielden 32 yrs Farmer of 18 acres b Walsden
Hannah wife 31 yrs
Johnny brother 47 yrs
John Greenwood m father in law

Marriage 1845 Rochdale
James Fielden, Farmer of Walsden  - father James Fielden Weaver
Hannah Greenwood - father John.

No ‘Square’.

Added
Reuben Haigh of Hollow Dean died 1844.
Title: Re: Sarah Fielden nee Crossley, Todmorden.
Post by: lancsann on Saturday 11 November 23 17:15 GMT (UK)
Trouble is there are so many Reuben Haighs & James & John Fieldens it would probably be worth knowing how the OP decided which one was her family