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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Yorkshire (West Riding) => Topic started by: Althea7 on Sunday 05 November 23 21:08 GMT (UK)
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One of my ancestors, Sarah Fielden nee Crossley, I have down as died 7th May 1849 age 74. I can't remember where I got those dates from, probably an Ancestry tree or Geneanet.
My ancestor was the widow of James Fielden of Square (Walsden), 1768-1828.
I looked up Sarah's death record on the GRO, but couldn't find anything for 1849. I searched from 1837 to 1860, and the only death of a Sarah Fielden anywhere near those dates, other than some who died age 0 or otherwise much too young, was 1842, M quarter in Todmorden, age 75, which would make her born 1767, so similar to her husband.
When I ordered the Digital Image from the GRO, which now cost £2.50, it says she was the widow of a John Fielden.
James Fielden did have a brother called John, also born in the 1760's, and I am wondering if there is a marriage between Sarah and John Fielden, after James Fielden's death in 1828? In Todmorden/Walsden.
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There is this person:
1841 552/33/24
Wood Bottom
Sally Fielden 70 yrs Independent
Sally Fielden 35 yrs cotton weaver
Both born in county
The entry below and in the same premises
Thomas Lord 35 yrs labourer
Mary Lord 35 yrs
Betty Lord 15 yrs
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In 1851 2289 /323/9
Sarah Fielden 48 yrs is sister in law to Thomas Lord at Wood Bottom.
Not sure if this helps you though.
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Possibility for your Sarah?
1851 2289/543/15
Higher S..out (doesn’t quite look like Scout)
Sally Fielden widow 77 years Annuitant b Walsden
Sarah Sutcliff 11 (?) yrs b Walsden
Death July 16th 1858
Sally Fielden 84 yrs Higher Scout
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Thanks, I am sure all that information fits in somewhere, and Thomas Lord was the Informant on the death certificate.
Maybe her death is listed on the GRO as Sally rather than Sarah? Edit: I just checked the GRO and there is no Sally Fielden either of likely age died 1849 + or - 2 years.
James Fielden 1768-1828's brother John I have down as 1765-1806, so he died before his brother. I must have got these dates from Ancestry or Geneanet trees, so they could be wrong.
These were all extremely common surnames in that area.
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I can’t see an 1849 death, the 1858 one looks the best one for your Sarah (Sally) as it is the residence you have and the age fits.
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That extract from the burials register you posted is dated 1842
There is this Sarah
FIELDEN, SARAH 75
GRO Reference: 1842 M Quarter in TODMORDEN Volume 21 Page 594
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That extract from the burials register you posted is dated 1842
There is this Sarah
FIELDEN, SARAH 75
GRO Reference: 1842 M Quarter in TODMORDEN Volume 21 Page 594
That is the one that I got, shown above, and I think it is probably not the Sarah Fielden I am looking for.
It seems as though the names Sarah and Sally were interchangeable, and in this case maybe used to differentiate related individuals named Sarah.
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Sally was/is a pet name for Sarah so not necessarily used to distinguish individuals.
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I assume this is the burial at St Mary's of your James
1828 27-Oct James Square 60
no spouse name given but I would guess the register at the time only recorded male spouses as none are recorded in the list
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On Freebmd website there is this that needs checking out on the GRO website for the age
Iif as you sayin post 1 ~ your Sarah died in May could have been registered later in July by the registrar as it was job to register the death not the family them years
June to Sept 1849
Deaths Sep 1849 (>99%)
Fielden Sarah Todmorden 21 497
I think this is where your 1849 death year for SARAH may have also have come from even though the months of death are different
Familysearch website
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Sarah Fielden
Age 0
Birth Year (Estimated) 1849
Event Type Burial
Event Date 12 Oct 1849
Event Place Walsden, Lancashire, England, United Kingdom
Event Place (Original) Walsden, Lancaster, England
name Sarah Fielden
Event Type Death
Event Date 1849
Event Place Todmorden, Yorkshire, England
Registration District Todmorden
Page 510
Volume 21
Affiliate Line Number 75
Registration Quarter Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration Year 1849
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Sept qtr on Freebmd = deaths registered in July, August & September so probably a bit late for a May death and would be that Sarah age 0.
June qtr = April, May & June
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From GRO website - 3 deaths in Todmorden Registration District in 1849
Sarah Fielden - March quarter - aged 8
Sarah Fielden - September quarter - aged 0
Sarah Fielden - December quarter - aged 0
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I assume this is the burial at St Mary's of your James
1828 27-Oct James Square 60
no spouse name given but I would guess the register at the time only recorded male spouses as none are recorded in the list
Thanks.
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The Sarah Fielden I am looking for married James Fielden of Square, Walsden (1768-1828) in 1797, when she was 22, and their other children are born after this date. But my ancestor John Fielden 1791-1848 was born before their marriage, so I am not sure about things. Sarah would have been 16 when he was born, and not yet married.
I got the GRO death digital image for John Fielden, at least I think I have the right one, it says he died 24th July 1848 at Knowl Wood, Walsden, age 58, Labourer, and the Informant is Coroner Dearden who gives his cause of death as "Visitation of God".
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From GRO website - 3 deaths in Todmorden Registration District in 1849
Sarah Fielden - March quarter - aged 8
Sarah Fielden - September quarter - aged 0
Sarah Fielden - December quarter - aged 0
There is a burial at St Peter's of a Sarah a7 on 26-1-1849 d of Wm & Mary
& Sarah age 9wks 9-10-1849 d of THos & Alice
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at St Mary's - burial
1848 27-Jul John Knowlwood 58
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Is this the marriage of your James
Marriage: 9 Nov 1797 St Chad, Rochdale, Lancashire
James Fielding - (X), Hundersfield in this parish
Sarah Crossley - (X), Hundersfield in this parish
Witnesses: Luke Nield; Thos. Fletcher
How did you determine that this one was your James? The are a few James/Sarah marriages
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Sept qtr on Freebmd = deaths registered in July, August & September so probably a bit late for a May death and would be that Sarah age 0.
June qtr = April, May & June
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One of my ancestors, Sarah Fielden nee Crossley, I have down as died 7th May 1849 age 74. I can't remember where I got those dates from, probably an Ancestry tree or Geneanet.
My ancestor was the widow of James Fielden of Square (Walsden), 1768-1828.
A published tree has the marriage of Sarah Crossley and James Fielden and his death. (Square, 1828).
It then has a marriage for Sarah Fielden and Ruben Haigh in 1830 (both of Walsden) at St Chad’s Rochdale.
** The parish record has this Sarah as a Spinster
There is then a death for Sarah Haigh, 74 yrs, of Square - 7th May 1849
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One of my ancestors, Sarah Fielden nee Crossley, I have down as died 7th May 1849 age 74. I can't remember where I got those dates from, probably an Ancestry tree or Geneanet.
My ancestor was the widow of James Fielden of Square (Walsden), 1768-1828.
A published tree has the marriage of Sarah Crossley and James Fielden and his death. (Square, 1828).
It then has a marriage for Sarah Fielden and Ruben Haigh in 1830 (both of Walsden) at St Chad’s Rochdale.
** The parish record has this Sarah as a Spinster
There is then a death for Sarah Haigh, 74 yrs, of Square - 7th May 1849
Well the index is there
HAIGH, SARAH 74
GRO 1849 J Quarter in TODMORDEN (reg District) Volume 21 Page 568
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1849 07-May Sarah Haigh 74 Square
No spouse named which as the entry below (Betty) has a spouse of Rueben seems to indicate she was not married but not guaranteed true
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It is so difficult because of the names/records
I see your point lancsann re no husband’s name.
In 1841 552/27/12
Hollow Dean, Walsden
Reuben Haigh, 60yrs Farmer
Sally 65 yrs
Mary 20yrs
James Fielden 20 yrs
1851
Hollow Dean
James Fielden 32 yrs Farmer of 18 acres b Walsden
Hannah wife 31 yrs
Johnny brother 47 yrs
John Greenwood m father in law
Marriage 1845 Rochdale
James Fielden, Farmer of Walsden - father James Fielden Weaver
Hannah Greenwood - father John.
No ‘Square’.
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Reuben Haigh of Hollow Dean died 1844.
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Trouble is there are so many Reuben Haighs & James & John Fieldens it would probably be worth knowing how the OP decided which one was her family