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Research in Other Countries => Canada => Topic started by: EdCan on Saturday 18 November 23 03:23 GMT (UK)
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I would like to see an obit for either Royeal Floyd Warner who supposedly died 7 Dec 1984 Toronto or his wife Lucy Helen Warner who supposedly died 7 May 1983 Toronto.
Ed
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Sorry haven't been able to find an obit for you but I did notice on a group of Tuck family photographs that they give slightly different date for Royeal Floyd Warner - 17/12/1984 (checked this date as well but no luck yet) Lovely group of photographs.
http://www.weekesfamily.org/tuck/Tuck,Lucy.htm
Sandra
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That is too bad. I was hoping to get hints re some of the children. Thanks for looking.
The Doris Inez in your attachment is the wrong Warner. Much too old to be a child of Royeal and Lucy.
Ed
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Doris Iola Warner/Fox was the daughter Hannibal Warner and Jane Ann Craig so they got that one mixed up. :-\
Your Doris Warner married Michael B Cieri - 9 September 1939 - Whitesboro New York.
They appear on the 1950 US Census. Michael Cieri passed in August 1986.
1931 census Osnabruck, Ontario, Canada. Lines 17 - 25
Royal Warner 31 Lucy H Warner 32
Bruce F Warner 11 Doris J Warner 9
Inez D Warner 8 Dorothy J Warner 8
Bernard A Warner 6 Marguertte Warner 5
Melburn Warner 2
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01ssb/
FIND A GRAVE shows another daughter born £ November 1933
Lorraine Joyce Warner Ralph - passed 2 August 1974
Streetsville Public Cemetery
Mississauga, Peel Regional Municipality, Ontario.
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/214354300/lorraine-joyce-ralph
spouse Wallace John Morgan Ralph passed 14 November 1982
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/214354167/wallace-john_morgan-ralph
Very moving, sad story :'(
https://www.upi.com/Archives/1982/11/15/A-56-year-old-Toronto-accountant-depressed-over-the-recent-death/5707406184400/
Sandra
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Looking for Bruce, Inez, Doris and son M. I think Doris may have married Michael Cieri in New York and possibly have been living in New Hampshire in 1994. Bernard died 2002 in California. Marguerite died 2011 in Oshawa and son M was still alive in 2011.
Ed
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Joyce daughter of Doris and Michael - Joyce Elaine Sears
Joyce Elaine Sears - 30 April 1946 New York - 18 November 2022 (died aged 70 years - married 1990)
Obituary Date 2023 - Mother - Doris Cieri
https://www.legacy.com/us/obituaries/name/joyce-sears-obituary?id=38277766
Did come across this :- Doris I Cieri, Death Record 14 Feb 2015 - Rensselaer, NY 12144 ??
Sandra
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Did not have that info. Thanks
Ed
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Son M was born abt 1928 so could possibly still be alive. He was living with his parents in 1974 Etobicoke.
Ed
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Dorothy was Dorothy E Warner -
According to California Naturalization Dorothy married George Harry Van Ness in Toronto 3 November 1945. Dorohty was born in Osnabruck 1 st July 1923 - entered the USA 5 December 1956 - Chicago Illinois.
5 children all born in Toronto - 1947 - 1955 (will send names via pm)
photograph of Dorothy Van Ness
Stockton Evening and Sunday Record
Stockton, California
Sat, 30 Oct 1965 Page 19
https://www.newspapers.com/article/stockton-evening-and-sunday-record/135431294/
Husband passed in 1962 :'( Obit gives 3 sons and 2 daughters ?)
The Peninsula Times Tribune
Palo Alto, California
Tue, 20 Mar 1962 Page 4
https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-peninsula-times-tribune/135431667/
Sandra
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One of those 5 children was a son Donald Van Ness born 3 May 1951 and who passed away 28 September 2008.
The Sacramento Bee
Sacramento, California
Wed, 1 Oct 2008 Page B7
https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-sacramento-bee/135431423/
another son Ronald George Van Ness born 23 June 1949 passed 18 September 1996
California Death Index
Ronald George Van Ness - Birth Date 23 Jun 1949 Canada
Death Date 18 Sep 1996 Los Angeles.
Ronald apparently divorced 23 March 1983
May have been a daughter from the marriage.
Sandra
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Thanks Sandra. That is great. Too bad that there are not obits showing up for more of the Warner siblings. I looked for Loraine and Dorothy but did not see anything.
Ed
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Sent you a pm with lots of snippets I couldn't put on here.
Sandra :)
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Thanks for the snippets
Ed
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You're very welcome, not specifically what you ask for but hope it helped fill out the family
much more for you. Still browsing but nothing on Royeal or Lucy Warner.
Regards
Sandra :)
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Still looking for Warner siblings.
There is a tree on Ancestry suggesting that Inez may have married a Russell Krush. There is a Krush family registered to vote 1949 Broadview. The family consists of Mr and Mrs John Krush with Nick, Russel and Inez. Russel and Inez also show up 1958 Halton voter records.
Find a grave shows a John Krush(1890-1961), Nastasia(1891-1968) and Russell(1923-1982) buried in Holy Cross Catholic Cemetery in Thornhill.
The Ancestry tree shows that Russell and Inez had two sons - Richard Russell(1948-74) and Timothy John (1960-79). Both dying in Toronto.
No idea if this is my Inez and her family. Supporting info hard to come by. Does not appear to be any census records for krush family.
Ed
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Change of Name Act - Slauko Kruczelnicki to Russell Krush.
The Toronto Star
Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Wed, 10 Sept 1947
Page 15
https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-toronto-star/164760083/
Sandra
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The Toronto Star
Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Fri, 6 Jul 1973
Page 8
https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-toronto-star/164761911/
Sandra
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Miss I D Warner to Russell Krush.
Daily Standard-Freeholder
Cornwall, Ontario, Canada
Fri, 12 Dec 1947
Page 12
https://www.newspapers.com/article/daily-standard-freeholder/164762442/
https://www.newspapers.com/article/daily-standard-freeholder/164762571/
Sandra
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John Krush - passed 1961
https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-toronto-star/164763513/
Sandra
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1931 census Osnabruck Township Ontario
Royal Warner 31 Head
Lucy H Warner 32 Wife
Bruce F Warner 11 Son
Doris J Warner 9 Daughter
Inez D Warner 8 Daughter
Dorothy J Warner 8 Daughter
Bernard A Warner 6 Son
Marguertte Warner 5 Daughter
Sandra
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Thanks Sandra. I especially liked the marriage.
Ed
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Inez Krush -, 1July 1923 - 4 January 2009 (aged 85 years)
Birth Date 1 Jul 1923 Residence Place Stockton, CA
Death Date 4 Jan 2009 - Obituary Date 27 Jun 2009
https://www.legacy.com/us/obituaries/recordnet/name/inez-krush-obituary?id=49322166
Sandra
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Marion Krush Eagle - 2009 (with photograph)
Star-Phoenix
Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada
Tue, 7 Jul 2009
Page 23
https://www.newspapers.com/article/star-phoenix/164768608/
Sandra
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Inez Krush -, 1July 1923 - 4 January 2009 (aged 85 years)
Birth Date 1 Jul 1923 Residence Place Stockton, CA
Death Date 4 Jan 2009 - Obituary Date 27 Jun 2009
https://www.legacy.com/us/obituaries/recordnet/name/inez-krush-obituary?id=49322166
Sandra
I was going to ask if you thought that she was mine.
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Have you reason to believe this is not your Inez (birth year is defo right according to 1931 census) ?
This is a sister Helen who died 2011 and only mentions a surviving brother (M) still living ?
The Toronto Star
Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Tue, 1 Mar 2011
Page 33
https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-toronto-star/164820630/
Sandra
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Inez (Mrs R Crush - spelling as printed) was mentioned on her sisters death in 1974 - Lorraine Joyce Ralph.
The Toronto Star
Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Mon, 5 Aug 1974
Page 25
https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-toronto-star/164825291/
Wow - interesting about her husband Wallace Ralph. Appears to have married again but killed his second wife and her sons.
Wallace Ralph - 1982
The Toronto Star
Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Mon, 15 Nov 1982
Page 1
https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-toronto-star/164825576/
The Toronto Star
Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Mon, 15 Nov 1982
Page 8
https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-toronto-star/164825739/
Sandra
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Think your Inez Warner / Krush may have been in Stockton. San Joaquin because her twin sister (both 1 July 1923) Dorothy Eileen Warner/Arlt was living there........
First husband passed 1962 - George Van Ness
Walter F Arlt Birth Year abt 1925 Age 45
Marriage Date 7 Nov 1970 Marriage Place San Joaquin, California
Spouse Name Dorothy E Warner - Spouse Age 47
Dorothy E Arlt - [Dorothy Arlt] - Birth Date 1 Jul 1923
Residence Date 1994
Address 4900 N Highway 99 Unit 270 Stockton, CA 95212-1014
Second Residence Date 1988
Second Address 4900 N Highway 99 Unit 270 Stockton, CA 95212-1014
Third Residence Date 1992
Third Address 130 Cambrian View Way Los Gatos, CA 95032-4015
Obits for Walter Floyd Arlt - passed 1988
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01tmp/
Sandra
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Thanks Sandra. I had seen the Wallace Ralph item previously.
All the Warner girls are accounted for but the boys are not to be fund. According to Lorraine's obit they were alive in 1974. A tree shows that Bruce(1921) may have married in England and returned to Canada but does not show his death. Travel records show the family living in Toronto.
Melburn James (1928) is a mystery.
Thanks for the help
Ed
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IF Bruce Warner married Margaret W Simpson (born 18 July 1924) in London.
The marriage :-
Marriages Dec 1942
Warner Bruce T (iniatial could be for Tuck) Simpson Wandsworth 1d 789
Border Crossing USA to Canada (via New York) - Dorothy Warner - Arrival Age 1
Birth Date 12 Feb 1944 Birth Place London, England (birth seems to be registered Wells - 12 th February 1944)
Arrival Date 24 Sep 1945 - Port of Arrival Niagara Falls, New York, USA
Accompanied by Mother Marjorie W
Father Bruce 24 Campbell Avenue. Toronto.
Mother Marjorie W. (had been in Canada September 1945 - arrived Halifax on Queen Elizabeth)
Sister Dianne born 22 February 1946
Sandra
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Border Crossing
Marjorie W WarnerArrival Age 22
Birth Date 18 Jul 1924 London, England
Arrival Date 24 Sep 1946
Port of Arrival Niagara Falls, New York, USA
Accompanied by Two Daughter with the initials "D"
Spouse Bruce
Child both initial "D"
It seems the couple split for some reason. Margaret Simpson/Warner married Frederick William West in 1954 at City Hall. Toronto (according to ancestry tree)
Frederick William West passed in 1982
The two children are mentioned in his obit. There is a married name for one of those two children.
Plus three grandchildren named.
The Toronto Star
Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Sun, 12 Dec 1982
Page 79
https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-toronto-star/164898537/
Frederick cremated and ashes buried in parents grave>
Fredericks Mother passed in 1970
The Toronto Star
Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Wed, 23 Dec 1970
Page 37
https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-toronto-star/164898592/
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/279073012/mary-ellen-west
Father passed in 1974
The Toronto Star
Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Thu, 16 May 1974
Page 36
https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-toronto-star/164898643/
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/279073417/frederick-william-west
Sandra
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The two Warner girls have surname West at 178 Lappin Avenue, Davenport, Toronto in 1968
Sandra
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Marjorie/Margery Winnifred Simpson/Warner/West passed away in 29 December 1999 - Lindsay. Kawartha Lake. Ontario.
Nothing on Bruce Tuck Warner so far.
Sandra
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I have to get the marriage cert and go from there. The public tree does not seem to be accurate re birth cert and mothers maiden name. With luck the family should appear in 1939
Thanks
Ed
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If it was Rutty/Simpson - they all seem to end up in Australia ?
If it was Simpson/Hill, then they have the wrong maiden name on the anc tree ?
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It doesn't help that the birth on the tree is for a Marjorie Millicent and not Marjorie Winnifred
Ed
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Obviously wrong birth certificate. :-\
Sandra
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Bruce Tuck Warner married Marjorie Winnifred Simpson 8 Nov 1942 St James West Streatham. Her father Charles Ernest Frederick Simpson shown as coal merchant.
Charles E F (21 Jul 1883-8 Oct 1945). Marjorie mother was Agnes Josephine Hill (12 Oct 1895-22 Jan 1975). Charles and Agnes married 1916.
This info is great but unfortunately does not help me find death of Bruce.
Ed
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Marjorie/Margery Winnifred Simpson/Warner/West passed away in 29 December 1999 - Lindsay. Kawartha Lake. Ontario.
Sandra
Did you try to follow this one up ?
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I have a couple of queries out but no replies
Ed
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I received a reply from the Lindsay Library. They could not find an obit for Marjorie in the Lindsay Daily Post 24 Dec 1999-7 Jan 2000. Either dod is incorrect or there was no obit. I suppose an obit could have been posted at a later date.
Ed
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Hello Ed,
Been looking on and off for sometime to see if we might progress on this topic. Felt spurred on to make another effort today.........
Finally a break through...... :) :)
John Robert Anthony passed away 1996 Lindsay Kawartha Lakes.
The Toronto Star
Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Wed, 15 May 1996
Page 64
https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-toronto-star/168874602/
So Marjorie Winifred Simpson/Warner/West had remarried after the death of Frederick William West.
The two daughters mentioned in the obituaries.
Marjorie Winnifred Anthony.
The Toronto Star
Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Thu, 30 Sept 1999
Page 90
https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-toronto-star/168874658/
Sandra
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Great find Sandra. Marjorie can finally be put to bed. A possible John Robert Anthony shows up in 1931. Very frustrating that first husband Bruce seems to be a no show
Much appreciated
Ed
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Great find Sandra. Marjorie can finally be put to bed. A possible John Robert Anthony shows up in 1931. Very frustrating that first husband Bruce seems to be a no show
Much appreciated
Ed
Thank you very much Ed, pleased to solve the mystery of Marjorie eventually.
Sorry had no further luck with Bruce, seems to be a few of them in the Toronto area but of course
he could have moved anywhere.
Sandra