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Title: Martha Poffley - born about 1821 Lambourn or Eastbury
Post by: ribbo39 on Sunday 07 January 24 08:59 GMT (UK)
Hi all,

I'm looking for a Martha Poffley born about 1821 in either Eastbury or Lambourn areas as recorded in the censues. I have her marriage to a Benjamin Excell in  1847 in Ruscombe listing her father as William Poffley, carpenter.

If anyone can help most appreciated.

Alan
Title: Re: Martha Poffley - born about 1821 Lambourn or Eastbury
Post by: amondg on Sunday 07 January 24 10:30 GMT (UK)
Based on census.
The William Poffley who married Elizabeth Higgins 14 October 1816 at Wickham is a Wheelwright

The William Poffley who married Charlotte Hatt 4 February 1816 at Hungerford is a Labourer.

So William and Elizabeth come closest to occupation Carpenter.  I cannot find a baptism for any females
Title: Re: Martha Poffley - born about 1821 Lambourn or Eastbury
Post by: ribbo39 on Sunday 07 January 24 10:55 GMT (UK)
Hi amondg,

As you say, I believe that William Poffley- m -Elizabeth Higgins may be the parents but  haven't been able to find Martha's birth/baptism.  I have found a John bapt. 1817 & Henry bapt. 1825 but nothing much in between. I wonder if they moved to another county for a while.

Thanks for your help.

Alan

Title: Re: Martha Poffley - born about 1821 Lambourn or Eastbury
Post by: amondg on Sunday 07 January 24 11:29 GMT (UK)
Ellen Poffley bap. 4 August 1844 at Lambourn  mother Martha Poffley

She later goes by Ellen Poffley Excell and marries John Thomas Clements 1874.
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Still checking newspapers

Reading Mercury 25 November 1899.
On 19th instant Benjamin Excell age 76 beloved husband of Martha.
Title: Re: Martha Poffley - born about 1821 Lambourn or Eastbury
Post by: amondg on Sunday 07 January 24 11:38 GMT (UK)
Do you think they became non conformist for a while?

Benjamin Excell was Non Conformist.
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Of William and Elizabeth all at East Garston
John 1817
Henry 1825
Alfred 1829
William 1833
John 1838.
Title: Re: Martha Poffley - born about 1821 Lambourn or Eastbury
Post by: amondg on Sunday 07 January 24 11:52 GMT (UK)
Berkshire Chronicle 27 November 1869
Three well dressed men, William Poffley, Henry Poffley and John Poffley, were charged with allowing their mother to be chargeable to the Hungerford Union.
Paraphrased. All of them are carpenters.

Is this referring to Elizabeth Poffley?
Title: Re: Martha Poffley - born about 1821 Lambourn or Eastbury
Post by: Galium on Sunday 07 January 24 12:30 GMT (UK)
baptisms at East Garston:
10 August 1823 Thomas  s/o William and Elizabeth Poughly of East Bury father labourer
14 June 1829 Alfred s/o William and Elizabeth Poffley of East Bury  father wheelwright

at Lambourne:
22 February 1838 John s/o William and Elizabeth Poffley of Eastbury father wheelwright
Title: Re: Martha Poffley - born about 1821 Lambourn or Eastbury
Post by: ribbo39 on Sunday 07 January 24 12:35 GMT (UK)
Well thats the Martha - she marries Benjamin Excell in 1847 Ruscombe at an age of 26.

Benjamin Excell was born 1823 in Barkham and his birth registered in the Protestant Dissenters Register (s/o Job & Frances). So there is an element of non-conformity.

As as Elizabeth Poffley goes - she was in the Hungerford W/House in 1871 (aged 67) as a widow.

Alan
Title: Re: Martha Poffley - born about 1821 Lambourn or Eastbury
Post by: LizzieL on Sunday 07 January 24 13:05 GMT (UK)
One of the witnesses at the marriage was Sarah Poffley, have you traced her? Possible sister
Title: Re: Martha Poffley - born about 1821 Lambourn or Eastbury
Post by: LizzieL on Sunday 07 January 24 13:08 GMT (UK)
1841
Eastbury, Lambourn
William, Elizabeth and presumed children including Sarah

Piece number 22, Book number 4, Folio number 7, Page number 9
Title: Re: Martha Poffley - born about 1821 Lambourn or Eastbury
Post by: LizzieL on Sunday 07 January 24 13:10 GMT (UK)
From census Elizabeth is not bic, possibly earlier children baptised in her home village or town
Title: Re: Martha Poffley - born about 1821 Lambourn or Eastbury
Post by: LizzieL on Sunday 07 January 24 13:12 GMT (UK)
1861 census says she's born Marlborough Wilts
Title: Re: Martha Poffley - born about 1821 Lambourn or Eastbury
Post by: LizzieL on Sunday 07 January 24 13:24 GMT (UK)
Sarah Poffley d/o William p occ wheelwright married John Dore at East Garston on 01 Nov 1851. Henry Poffley was one of the witnesses. The other is transcribed as "Harrat ?"
Title: Re: Martha Poffley - born about 1821 Lambourn or Eastbury
Post by: LizzieL on Sunday 07 January 24 13:34 GMT (UK)
Sarah is on 1851 census as servant to Simmons family in Newbury. Her pob is East Garston abt 1825
Piece number 1685, Folio 200, Page 2
Title: Re: Martha Poffley - born about 1821 Lambourn or Eastbury
Post by: amondg on Sunday 07 January 24 18:08 GMT (UK)
Who are the witnesses when Martha married Benjamin Excell, any possible relatives?
Title: Re: Martha Poffley - born about 1821 Lambourn or Eastbury
Post by: LizzieL on Sunday 07 January 24 18:19 GMT (UK)
Who are the witnesses when Martha married Benjamin Excell, any possible relatives?

see my reply #8
 
Title: Re: Martha Poffley - born about 1821 Lambourn or Eastbury
Post by: amondg on Sunday 07 January 24 19:01 GMT (UK)


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Title: Re: Martha Poffley - born about 1821 Lambourn or Eastbury
Post by: LizzieL on Sunday 07 January 24 19:04 GMT (UK)
1841 census  Eastbury
William Poffley 46 Wheelwright
Elizabeth 45
Henry 16
SARAH 14
William 8
John 3

I already posted this on reply #9
I DON'T KNOW WHY I BOTHER
Title: Re: Martha Poffley - born about 1821 Lambourn or Eastbury
Post by: ribbo39 on Monday 08 January 24 03:23 GMT (UK)
Thank you all for your valuable help.
Even with your extra sets of eyes,  Martha's bapt. is still a mystery.
In 1851 & 61 she lists Lambourn and  in the remaining  censuses  Eastbury as her place of birth.

It had occurred to me that perhaps she was the d/o a single mother and her baptism recorded under her
mother's name and/or before her parents married - just a thought .

Sarah Poffley I have found in the 1841 census for Lambourn (the d/o William & Elizabeth) and she married a John Dore in 1851 Hungerford Dist.

However, I have not been able to find even Sarah's baptism either,  so I'm wondering if they were baptised at all.

Alan
Title: Re: Martha Poffley - born about 1821 Lambourn or Eastbury
Post by: Watson on Monday 08 January 24 15:39 GMT (UK)
Eastbury was part of the parish of Lambourn, so the information from the censuses is consistent.  In addition to the main church of St. Michael's, Lambourn, you should bear the following in mind:

Eastbury: a Wesleyan chapel, founded in 1814
Lambourn: a Wesleyan chapel, founded pre-1800
(source: NIPR, Vol. 8, Part 1: Berkshire, S.O.G., 1989)

Apart from St. Michael's, these were the only two which were founded before 1821 (your estimated year of birth).  Any registers for them should have been handed over in 1837.

So, if it were my family, I would check these two Wesleyan chapels, after first double-checking St. Michael's.