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Lets see if we can break down another brick wall in my family tree shall we?
Elizabeth Jackson was born c. 1812 in Market Bosworth, Leicestershire. I am trying to find her parents.
On 22nd January 1835 she marries James Oldacres of nearby Carlton, witnesses were "Thomas Jackson" and "Sarah Jackson". She dies in 1893, all census records are accounted for (1841-1891). You'd think with two witnesses with connections to Jackson, I'd have found something.. but alas..
I did check the parish registers for Market Bosworth, Elizabeth is not listed. The closest baptism I can find is John Jackson on April 9th 1815, to John and Elizabeth.
There are also quite a few Jackson's in the parish records for Carlton but nothing has jumped out at me so far.
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1841 census Market Bosworth
Head of the house is William Jackson born abt 1806 market Bosworth (farmer).
His wife is Jane Oldacres. They married in Carlton in 1831. Witnesses Sarah Jackson and Edward Smith
You would think this is the same Jackson family that you are looking for.
In the same house in 1841 - Thomas Jackson born abt 1811 (farmer) - maybe the witness at Elizabeth’s wedding.
Also in same house, an elderly relative? Elizabeth Jackson, born abt 1776. Framework-knitter
Thomas Jackson in 1851 census for Carlton is 44 unmarried farmer (born 1807 Market Bosworth). With him is “Aunt”? Elizabeth age 78 un married, born Barwell.
Thomas Jackson by 1861 census has married Hannah, but by 1871 he is a widower.
Thomas Jackson married 8 Jan 1852 Market Bosworth to Hannah Neath.
His father is named John Jackson on the marriage.
Unfortunately I am not see anything but a transcription of this marriage, so do not have fathers occupation and other detail.
Another brother possibly -
John Jackson born abt 1804 Market Bosworth (also a farmer) married Ann Williams in 1848 Chippenham Wiltshire. This marriage has his father as John Jackson a Yeoman.
I notice these three men are all farmers, employing a number of farm workers. Perhaps wealthy enough to do so if they had inherited from their father, a yeoman?
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The lack of baptisms that fit with family you are looking at makes me wonder if they were non-conformist, and the records are not online.
A couple of marriages of possible interest:-
Marriage 17 Nov 1801 in Nailstone between John Jackson and Eliz Smith
He was from Barton, Nailstone and she was from Market Bosworth.
Marriage 1793 Market Bosworth between John Jackson and Mary Taylor
John Jackson. (This may be a bit early)
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Thomas Jackson in 1851 census for Carlton is 44 unmarried farmer (born 1807 Market Bosworth). With him is “Aunt”? Elizabeth age 78 un married, born Barwell.
Assuming that Aunt Elizabeth Jackson born in Barwell in 1773, was the sister of Thomas’s father, John Jackson ………
then we have these Baptisms in Barwell (all with father Thomas Jackson)
• John 2 Apr 1771
• Mary 12 mar 1772
• Elizabeth 26 Dec 1773
(mother's name is not recorded)
Barwell is only 6 miles from Market Bosworth
Burial in Barwell 23 Oct 1821 Mary Jackson, wife of Thomas Jackson, age 80 (b 1741)
AND
Burial in Barwell 18 Mar 1827 for Thomas Jackson age 85 (b 1742)
Widower of Jackson, abode Barwell
Possible –?
Marriage banns 29 June 1767 Market Bosworth
Thomas Jackson to Mary Carter (of Shenton)
- Their first child Sarah Jaxon baptised in Shenton 29 March 1769
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Ive had a look on the Leic FHS data sheets foir non-con baptisms, but I can't see any Jacksons with abode Market Bosworth.
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There is a will viewable of a Thomas Jackson died 13 Apr 1874, made in 1871 of Merevall, as per transcription, which lists lots of family including brother William Jackson and a widow Elizabeth Oldacres
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QPJM-6KHG
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There is a will viewable of a Thomas Jackson died 13 Apr 1874, made in 1871 of Merevall, as per transcription, which lists lots of family including brother William Jackson and a widow Elizabeth Oldacres
The executors of the will were his nephews, John and Thomas Jackson.
These were sons of William Jackson and his wife Jane Oldacres. Their children were Mary 1833, John 1834, Thomas 1839, Elizabeth 1841, William 1843, Jane 1842, Anne 1854.
The 1841 Poll Books show brother William and Thomas Jackson at “Cow Pasture Farm” in Market Bosworth. I’m inclined to think that they took over the farm from their father.
Added link -
https://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/4143449
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Thank you for looking into this Neale.
There is a will viewable of a Thomas Jackson died 13 Apr 1874, made in 1871 of Merevall, as per transcription, which lists lots of family including brother William Jackson and a widow Elizabeth Oldacres
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QPJM-6KHG
Elizabeth would have been a widow in 1874, her husband James died in 1869. Does it list Elizabeth Oldacres as a sister? I can't seem to view the transcription. I can view the probate on Ancestry and Probatesearch but only John Jackson and Thomas Jackson are listed (as nephews).
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I think the will might be on FindMyPast?
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It’s possible the Sarah Jackson who witnessed the marriage of both Elizabeth Jackson and William Jackson was their mother.
If so, I can’t find her in the 1841 census, but there is a death registration in Dec quarter 1840 in Market Bosworth for a Sarah Jackson age 76. It might be worth having a punt to see what information her death cert contains and who was the informant.
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It’s possible the Sarah Jackson who witnessed the marriage of both Elizabeth Jackson and William Jackson was their mother.
If so, I can’t find her in the 1841 census, but there is a death registration in Dec quarter 1840 in Market Bosworth for a Sarah Jackson age 76. It might be worth having a punt to see what information her death cert contains and who was the informant.
I'll order the death cert and report back with the results! 😊
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I'll order the death cert and report back with the results! 😊
I would go for the very much cheaper immediate digital download option. :)
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Another brother possibly -
John Jackson born abt 1804 Market Bosworth (also a farmer) married Ann Williams in 1848 Chippenham Wiltshire. This marriage has his father as John Jackson a Yeoman.
I have had a better look at this John and I am more convinced he is related to this same family.
There are 2 adjoining farms in Market Bosworth - “The Common” and “The Pastures / Cow Pastures”.
The Pastures is farmed by William Jackson for many decades. His brother Thomas is with him for a while up to abt 1841, but then moves off to farm elsewhere.
John Jackson is farming next door at The Common in 1851 and 1861. By 1871 he has moved to a larger farm at Newtown Linford ….. He died Market Bosworth 1895. I think the same John is at The Common also in 1841 census with head of house, Elizabeth Jackson age 65, a Farmer. There are a couple of other names listed who I think must be farm workers. The census record is very pale and v difficult to read. Who is this Elizabeth Jackson - could she be the mother? I don't see her in the 1851 census.
I can only find 1 death – not an exact fit with the census age, but ages on the 1841 census were rounded down & tend to be approximate. I'm inclined to think it is the right one though. ;)
Death rego
JACKSON, ELIZABETH Age 75
GRO Reference: 1848 J Quarter in MARKET BOSWORTH Volume 15 Page 122
(I think the £2.50 digital certificate is the best option)
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I previously posted this marriage .......
Marriage 17 Nov 1801 in Nailstone between John Jackson and Eliz Smith
John was from Barton, Nailstone and Elizabeth was from Market Bosworth.
I now think that this may well be the correct marriage. Apart from the date and places working well with what we now know, there is the Smith connection.
In both the 1841 and 1851 census at “The Common” farm of John Jackson (and who I expect is his mother Elizabeth) there is a Robert Smith unmarried just a little younger than Elizabeth Jackson who I think may be his sister.
This is the 1851 census for him https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGFS-8YX
Robert Smith dies in 1860 in market Bosworth age 77.
The Smith name also appears when William Jackson marries Jane Oldacres in 1831. A witness is Edward Smith.
I think the next step is some death certificates to verify these speculations.
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(I think the £2.50 digital certificate is the best option)
Am I missing out on something? I order from https://www.gro.gov.uk/, it takes about a week and costs like £7
Edit: Nevermind, I see they have a new option on gro.gov :)
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I've just tried my first online image order .. for Sarah Jackson .. and received a record for Thomas Deacon Rudkin. Sorry all about that, I've contacted them to let them know that there has been a mistake.
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Have you ordered a birth registration by mistake, rather than a death? I can see Thomas Deakin Rudkin was born in 1840 Market Bosworth.
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Have you ordered a birth registration by mistake, rather than a death? I can see Thomas Deakin Rudkin was born in 1840 Market Bosworth.
Nah, you have to physically select the record after searching. Digital Image type is listed as E/W Death. I'll put together what we have so far because I think there's enough to go on, to make further investigations (if possible). I've also ordered the probate for Thomas Jackson.
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It would be good if you could get the full marriage record for Thomas too. I could only see a transcript, so don't know how he describes his father's occupation, or the witnesses, etc.
I think the death for Elizabeth in 1848 might be the more important certificate to get.
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It would be good if you could get the full marriage record for Thomas too. I could only see a transcript, so don't know how he describes his father's occupation, or the witnesses, etc.
I think the death for Elizabeth in 1848 might be the more important certificate to get.
Will get on it.
Just so I'm up to speed, this is where I think we're currently at (please feel free to correct me Neale)
Thomas (1742) - Mary Carter (1741)
Sarah (1769)
John (1771) - Elizabeth Smith (1776)
John (1804)
William (1806)
Thomas (1807)
Elizabeth (1812) - James Oldacres (1808)
Mary (1772)
Elizabeth (1773)
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Yes, there does seem to be enough connections to make me think that is the one family line.
(I have attached a quick family chart.)
Unfortunately Market Bosworth church records seem to be lacking, so it would be good to get the will and the marriage and death records to back up this theory.
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From the will of Thomas Jackson (1874), likely brother of Elizabeth Oldacres (Jackson) confirms the following
Confirms siblings:
Mary Stanton (Jackson) - wife of Joseph Stanton
William Jackson
Confirms nieces & nephews:
John Jackson (William)
Thomas Jackson (William)
Elizabeth Jackson (William)
Annie Jackson (William)
Elizabeth Stanton (Mary)
Miriam Freeman (Mary) - wife of John Freeman
Other names listed in the will (relationship not stated):
Mary Ragg, wife of Frederick Ragg
Ann Waters, widow, and her sister Jane Neath
Elizabeth Oldacres, widow and her two sons, Ralph and John
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Confirms siblings:
Mary Stanton (Jackson) - wife of Joseph Stanton
Mary Jackson married Joseph Stenton in 1822 Market Bosworth
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Other names listed in the will (relationship not stated):
Ann Waters, widow, and her sister Jane Neath
These were Thomas’ sisters in law - the sisters of his wife Hannah Neath
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Just wanted to add that I went to Carlton today, there was only one gravestone featuring the name 'Jackson'.
It was for Robert Jackson and his wife Elizabeth. Just to mention that a lot individuals with the surname 'Jackson' were born to Edward and Ann/Sarah/Mary between 1735 and 1751 you have:
- Elizabeth (1735)
- Edward (1737)
- John (1739)
- George (1741)
- Thomas (1744)
- Robert (1746)
- Sarah (1748)
- Mary (1751)
Robert was 78 when he died in 1825, so born c. 1747, so most likely the 1746 christening to Edward and Sarah.
Jackson is a fairly common name so not expecting anything, just thought I'd mention it.
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That was good - to have a look at the grave stones. Yes, lots of Jacksons all around that area and into neighbouring counties, which makes going further back difficult.
I did see the baptisms of children to Edward Jackson and I wondered if Thomas (1744) might be the same Thomas Jackson of Barwell (1742-1827) who married Mary Carter. It is a possibility but not a certainty. I’m doubtful because the name Edward does not appear in this Jackson family we are looking at.
Any progress with the 2 death certificates?
I am wondering if Sarah Jackson (witness at marriages) was the sister of John Jackson senior.
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Mary JACKSON married Joseph STENTON in Market Bosworth 21 March 1822
That puts Mary’s birth about 1801 or 1802. She must have been the first born in the family, possibly named after her grandmother Mary Carter.
Children’s baptisms at St Editha, Tamworth, Staffordshire:
• Elizabeth STAUNTON 10 Mar 1823 (Parents Mary and Joseph – a miller)
• Mary Annie / Marian STANTON 8 Mar 1825 (Parents Mary and Joseph – a miller; Abode Wigginton)
At some time the Stanton family move to Market Bosworth where Joseph became the miller at Bosworth Mill by 1841 census. His wife, Mary nee Jackson, shows on the census as born in Carlton.
Bosworth Mill appears on the census as next dwelling to the Jackson farms “The Common” and “The Pastures”.
Mary Ann STANTON married John FREEMAN on 24 April 1849 in Market Bosworth
This couple and their family are living in market Bosworth in the census. In the 1871 census – visiting them is your Elizabeth OLDACRE.
Elizabeth STANTON appears to remain unmarried, but she may have 3 illegitimate children with her in the census records.
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Mary Ragg, wife of Frederick Ragg, has maiden name Jackson. Her age (b c1830) place of birth (M Bosworth) and later appearances in censuses as a widow with mother or brother indicates she is a daughter of William and Jane Jackson of The Pastures
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William Jackson - The will of William Jackson late of Mkt Bosworth … farmer who died 29 Sept 1874 at Mkt Bosworth was proved at Leicester by Thomas Jackson of Coton, farmer and William Jackson of Leagrange, farmer, the sons.
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I have spent such a long time trying to work out who was Sarah Jackson - the witness to the 2 Jackson marriages in Carlton, in the 1830s. Despite extensive searching, I really haven’t found anything much at all.
I have eliminated the only Sarah Jackson who is in Market Bosworth in 1841-51 census, as she was from Derbyshire. I was looking at the possibility she was John Jackson senior’s sister, Sarah b.1769.
Today I found this burial and it took my interest because of the place Nailstone
Sarah Jackson - Burial 2 Nov 1841 Nailstone, age 70, (b 1771)
It is probably this death registration - Dec quarter 1841, age 69.
The trouble is I can’t find her in the 1841 census. She should be there if she died in late 1841. Can anyone else see her?
From what I read, it seems that FindMyPast has church records from Nailstone.
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The burial register gives her abode as
Barton in the Beans
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Oooh! That is even more encouraging, as that is where John Jackson was from on his marriage in 1801.
Can you find her in the census?
Maybe the death certificate would be useful.
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Assuming that Aunt Elizabeth Jackson born in Barwell in 1773, was the sister of Thomas’s father, John Jackson ………
then we have these Baptisms in Barwell (all with father Thomas Jackson)
• John 2 Apr 1771
• Mary 12 mar 1772
• Elizabeth 26 Dec 1773
John Jackson (senior) had a sister Mary JACKSON born 1772
I think this might be her marriage in market Bosworth on 28 Jan 1798 to Edward BAILEY
Children:
Mary 1798-1821, John 1799-1800, Ann 1803-?, Thomas 1805-1825, John 1808-1809, Edward 1811, Susannah 1815, Ann 1820-1821
Mary BAILEY burial 1829 Market Bosworth
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That is even more encouraging, as that is where John Jackson was from on his marriage.
Can you find her in the census?
Nope. I am trying to find the correct lot to page through
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Parish = Barton
She has been transcribed as
Sarah Jackson Female 39 1802 Leicestershire, England
But I am sure the image shows 69
https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/6460301:8978?tid=&pid=&queryId=10f1a3f1-9c65-4987-9c16-de49e1211217&_phsrc=YOl3&_phstart=successSource
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Clever mckha489! Thank you.
Yes that looks like her - Agree age is 69 & living on independent means, as I might have expected.
You know I looked at that census record 5 days ago - why couldn't I find it again? ! ???
Probably informant at death will be the live-in servant, so that won't help.
I do believe that is the Sarah Jackson we've been looking for, and will be John's sister.
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Apologies for the delay. Just returning to this to say I've ordered William's probate record. I got a refund for Sarah Jackson's death certificate and I have the results for Elizabeth (Market Bosworth 1848).
Elizabeth's death cert:
6th May 1848, Elizabeth Jackson, Female, 75 Years, Widow of the late John Jackson (Farmer), ? on the chest Certified, Miriam Stanton Present at the death Bosworth, 8th May 1848
If we want anymore ordering just let me know. Very busy with work at the moment but will return to this :)
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I have spent such a long time trying to work out who was Sarah Jackson - the witness to the 2 Jackson marriages in Carlton, in the 1830s. Despite extensive searching, I really haven’t found anything much at all.
I have eliminated the only Sarah Jackson who is in Market Bosworth in 1841-51 census, as she was from Derbyshire. I was looking at the possibility she was John Jackson senior’s sister, Sarah b.1769.
Today I found this burial and it took my interest because of the place Nailstone
Sarah Jackson - Burial 2 Nov 1841 Nailstone, age 70, (b 1771)
It is probably this death registration - Dec quarter 1841, age 69.
The trouble is I can’t find her in the 1841 census. She should be there if she died in late 1841. Can anyone else see her?
From what I read, it seems that FindMyPast has church records from Nailstone.
Parish = Barton
She has been transcribed as
Sarah Jackson Female 39 1802 Leicestershire, England
But I am sure the image shows 69
https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/6460301:8978?tid=&pid=&queryId=10f1a3f1-9c65-4987-9c16-de49e1211217&_phsrc=YOl3&_phstart=successSource
Hi both,
Death cert for Sarah Jackson 1841
27th Oct 1841 Barton, Sarah Jackson, Female, 69 yrs, Widow of the late William Jackson, Old Age, Ann Leech(?) Lecck(?) in attendance her mark Barton, 29th Oct 1841
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Hi both,
Death cert for Sarah Jackson 1841
27th Oct 1841 Barton, Sarah Jackson, Female, 69 yrs, Widow of the late William Jackson, Old Age, Ann Leech(?) Lecck(?) in attendance her mark Barton, 29th Oct 1841
There's an Ann Leach in the 1841 census, Barton, age 55, est birth year 1786. So looks like this was the person in attendance.
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Elizabeth's death cert:
6th May 1848, Elizabeth Jackson, Female, 75 Years, Widow of the late John Jackson (Farmer), ? on the chest Certified, Miriam Stanton Present at the death Bosworth, 8th May 1848
Well, that’s a good result. Confirms her husband was John, a farmer. Her grand-daughter Miriam at the death, confirms other family connections.
It’s a pity there is no burial record found for her former husband, John Jackson.
Death cert for Sarah Jackson 1841
27th Oct 1841 Barton, Sarah Jackson, Female, 69 yrs, Widow of the late William Jackson, Old Age, Ann Leech(?) Lecck(?) in attendance her mark Barton, 29th Oct 1841
This one – not what I was hoping for, and probably NOT the marriage witness Sarah Jackson. A red herring!
Her husband William died in Nailstone Dec 1830, age 63 (born 1767). So he is possibly the son of Edward and Mary of Nailstone - I don’t think immediately related to your Jackson family.
Maybe the other Sarah Jackson death in 1840 is the correct witness? In the long run, it is probably not all that important in giving you further confirmation that you have the right family.
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I might try going to Barton in the Beans Baptist church, as it was rebuilt in 1841 and looks like there's quite a few old gravestones in the churchyard. Maybe we'll get lucky. I couldn't find Elizabeth Jackson / John Jackson in Carlton/Market Bosworth Registers for burials.
Edit: Nevermind, I found the MIs online: https://freepages.rootsweb.com/~blanchec/genealogy/bartonmi.htm
On a more positive note - finally found my Elizabeth Jackson (Oldacres) burial:
OLDACRES John 13 May 1905 60 of Carlton; son of Elizabeth
OLDACRES Elizabeth 24 Oct 1893 82 Mother of John; same stone as above
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I'm not sure if it's helpful or not but I found this: https://web.archive.org/web/20150322225315/http://thesmeefamily.com/barton.htm
In this is listed Sarah Deacon (Jackson):
- Sarah (JACKSON) DEACON 1808-1868
Headstone in Barton in the Beans
Sarah is in the 1841/51/61 census in Barton, husband is Thomas Deacon. In 1851/61 census there are Sarah/Thomas/John JACKSON living with them is nieces and nephews. Birthplaces are Leicester though.
Could this be the Sarah we've been looking for?
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William Jackson's will (1874):
Confirms children:
Thomas Jackson
William Jackson
Mary Wragg (Jackson) - wife of Frederick
Elizabeth Jackson
Anne Jackson
Confirms spouse:
Jane Jackson
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All good.
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All good.
Neale I'd be interested how confident you are that Elizabeth is related to Thomas/William/Mary?
The fact that Thomas mentions Elizabeth and her two sons in his will is pretty telling (I think he solely mentions family in his will). We have evidence that Thomas' father was John and that Thomas is related to William and Mary.
I'd be interested in how confident you are that the father John Jackson is the one from Barwell, father Thomas and Mary. I'd like to find John Jackson's burial as we have Elizabeths.
Edit: Oh and Elizabeth Oldacres is visiting Miriam Freeman (daughter of Mary Jackson) in the 1871 census
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Neale I'd be interested how confident you are that Elizabeth is related to Thomas/William/Mary?
Elizabeth? There are few --- if you mean ELizabeth (Jackson) OLDACRES, then I am very confident they are related. You have so many links to support this!
Once again, I would recommend finding the full marriage information for Thomas in 1852 to Hannah HEATH.
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I'd be interested in how confident you are that the father John Jackson is the one from Barwell, father Thomas and Mary. I'd like to find John Jackson's burial as we have Elizabeths.
I think there is a lot in favour of this being correct, but as we are before census records, often things are less certain. There is a good link between Elizabeth JACKSON born 1773 Barwell and your Market Boswell Jacksons. Also the naming patterns in the Market Boswell families would suggest Thomas and Mary are strong contenders as ancestors. (A pity that neither John nor Thomas appear to have had children to add weight to the family names).
I agree, it would be good to find John's burial. FindMyPast seems to have more records for your area of interest than on other sights.
Best luck with continuing your research into your family.
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I'd be interested in how confident you are that the father John Jackson is the one from Barwell, father Thomas and Mary. I'd like to find John Jackson's burial as we have Elizabeths.
I think there is a lot in favour of this being correct, but as we are before census records, often things are less certain. There is a good link between Elizabeth JACKSON born 1773 Barwell and your Market Boswell Jacksons. Also the naming patterns in the Market Boswell families would suggest Thomas and Mary are strong contenders as ancestors. (A pity that neither John nor Thomas appear to have had children to add weight to the family names).
I agree, it would be good to find John's burial. FindMyPast seems to have more records for your area of interest than on other sights.
Best luck with continuing your research into your family.
Thank you Neale :)
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Sarah Jackson death Market Bosworth OCT-NOV-DEC 1840
29 November 1840 Ibstock, Sarah Jackson, Female, 76 Years, Wife of William Jackson (Farmer),?, William Jackson occupier(?) Ibstock, 4 December 1840
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Sarah Jackson, “the witness” may be a mystery forever. :D
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Hello
I am related to the Jackson family of market bosworth and have been gathering information for a few years.
My earliest info is
John Jackson b.1780 he m. Elizabeth (b. 1784}
They had : William b 1805
Edward b. 1806
Sarah b. 1810
John b. 1813 d. 1882 married Mary
WILLIAM is my relative he married in 1831 to Jane oldacres who was born 1810 in carlton
They had Mary b. 1832
John b.1834
Thomas b.1839
Elizabeth b. 1842
William b. 1844
Jane b.1853
Ann b. 1855
I’m not sure how correct the last ones are as Jane would have been in her 40’s
John is my relative he married Ann (1843 - 1921)
They had Edith Jane Jackson 1863 - 1947 who married John grove Marklew
William Bailey 1864
George Edward 1868
Ernest Albert 1870- 1938
Margaret Annie 1873- 1952
Bernard 1875
Clarice Mary 1878
Eric Alan 1879- 1966
Hugh 1880
John Thomas 1882- 1964
Edith Jane and John grove Marklew had
Edith Mary 1895- 1916
Doris Annie 1898- 1963
Denis Marklew 1901- 1983 ( my grandad)
My dad was also Denis Marklew.
Hope that helps…
Sally Ann