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Title: Bartholomew QUIGLEY & Ann HUNT ca 1840
Post by: garlands on Friday 19 January 24 17:44 GMT (UK)
In 1851, living at Austin Houses, Wigan, are:-

Bartholomew QUIGLEY (transcribed COGLEY), b 1808 Ireland
Hannah              do                    do             , b 1816 Ireland
James                do                    do             , b 1843 Ireland
John                  do                    do             , b 1845 Ireland

In 1861, the surname is transcribed as SOWERLY, but in 1871, 1881 and 1891 it is QUIGLEY. The birth place is never more detailed than simply 'Ireland'.

It appears that, after 1851, all later children were born in Wigan with the records giving mother's maiden name as HUNT.

I know it's an extremely long shot, but can anyone please point me to the marriage of Bartholomew QUIGLEY and Ann/Hannah HUNT which, presumably, occurred ca 1842?
Title: Re: Bartholomew QUIGLEY & Ann HUNT ca 1840
Post by: heywood on Friday 19 January 24 19:02 GMT (UK)
Is this James in 1911. His birthplace is given as Sligo.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWYH-8V6
Title: Re: Bartholomew QUIGLEY & Ann HUNT ca 1840
Post by: garlands on Friday 19 January 24 22:27 GMT (UK)
I would say - yes it is. Location is fine, as is age, so I'm happy to run with that.

Many thanks - that's great
Title: Re: Bartholomew QUIGLEY & Ann HUNT ca 1840
Post by: garlands on Friday 19 January 24 22:34 GMT (UK)
Just noticed the connection to Thomas FAIRHURST.

Mary QUIGLEY was the first daughter (b ca 1865) of Bartholomew & Ann, and she married Thomas FAIRHURST on 04 Feb 1888 in Wigan.

That clinches it. Thank you.
Title: Re: Bartholomew QUIGLEY & Ann HUNT ca 1840
Post by: Wexflyer on Saturday 20 January 24 04:05 GMT (UK)
Bartholomew Quigley married Honor Hunt on 7 July 1842
Parish of Kilshalvey & Kilturra, Co Sligo.
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632311#page/19/mode/1up (https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632311#page/19/mode/1up)
Title: Re: Bartholomew QUIGLEY & Ann HUNT ca 1840
Post by: Wexflyer on Saturday 20 January 24 04:05 GMT (UK)
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Title: Re: Bartholomew QUIGLEY & Ann HUNT ca 1840
Post by: Wexflyer on Saturday 20 January 24 04:16 GMT (UK)
There is a subsequent baptism of a John Quigly on 7 July 1845
Same parish, address Drumdeevan

Parents Bartholomew Quigly and Honor Feighney.
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632312#page/23/mode/1up (https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632312#page/23/mode/1up)
Title: Re: Bartholomew QUIGLEY & Ann HUNT ca 1840
Post by: Wexflyer on Saturday 20 January 24 05:14 GMT (UK)
Presumably Drumdiveen townland (OS spelling), outside Ballymote.
https://www.townlands.ie/sligo/corran/kilshalvy/kilshalvy/drumdiveen/ (https://www.townlands.ie/sligo/corran/kilshalvy/kilshalvy/drumdiveen/)
Title: Re: Bartholomew QUIGLEY & Ann HUNT ca 1840
Post by: Wexflyer on Saturday 20 January 24 05:29 GMT (UK)
The 1834 Tythe valuation for the parish of Kilshalvy has
a ?? John Quigley as well as both a Patrick and James Feighney in the townland of Drumdiveen
https://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/reels/tab//004625686/004625686_00728.pdf (https://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/reels/tab//004625686/004625686_00728.pdf)
Title: Re: Bartholomew QUIGLEY & Ann HUNT ca 1840
Post by: Wexflyer on Saturday 20 January 24 05:32 GMT (UK)
Feighney is "translated" as Hunt
https://www.libraryireland.com/names/of/o-fiachna.php (https://www.libraryireland.com/names/of/o-fiachna.php)
Title: Re: Bartholomew QUIGLEY & Ann HUNT ca 1840
Post by: Wexflyer on Saturday 20 January 24 05:34 GMT (UK)
Feighney is "translated" as Hunt

https://www.libraryireland.com/names/of/o-fiachna.php (https://www.libraryireland.com/names/of/o-fiachna.php)

So, wife's/mother's name actually Feighney.

Looks like the first son was named for the maternal grandfather, second son for the paternal grandfather.
Title: Re: Bartholomew QUIGLEY & Ann HUNT ca 1840
Post by: heywood on Saturday 20 January 24 07:28 GMT (UK)
Some great finds there  :)
Title: Re: Bartholomew QUIGLEY & Ann HUNT ca 1840
Post by: garlands on Saturday 20 January 24 10:10 GMT (UK)
Just come back on-line, so must thank you for all that work - much appreciated.

The 1842 marriage must be the one I want, and I accept your statement that FEIGHNEY has been translated as HUNT, but was she Honor (1842/5), Hannah (1851 & 61) or Ann (1871 & 81)?
Title: Re: Bartholomew QUIGLEY & Ann HUNT ca 1840
Post by: Wexflyer on Saturday 20 January 24 10:14 GMT (UK)
Just come back on-line, so must thank you for all that work - much appreciated.

The 1842 marriage must be the one I want, and I accept your statement that FEIGHNEY has been translated as HUNT, but was she Honor (1842/5), Hannah (1851 & 61) or Ann (1871 & 81)?

Honor is Hannah, or rather the other way around.

https://www.libraryireland.com/names/women/onora-honor.php (https://www.libraryireland.com/names/women/onora-honor.php)
Title: Re: Bartholomew QUIGLEY & Ann HUNT ca 1840
Post by: Wexflyer on Saturday 20 January 24 11:40 GMT (UK)
I accept your statement that FEIGHNEY has been translated as HUNT

Hunt is not a translation of Feighney, which is why I put it in quotation marks. Just one of the spurious Anglicizations imposed at the time. The Gaelic surname name O'Fiachna is derived from Fiach, which actually translates to Raven.

Note that Bartholomew and Honor may very well not have been native English speakers.
Title: Re: Bartholomew QUIGLEY & Ann HUNT ca 1840
Post by: garlands on Sunday 21 January 24 12:23 GMT (UK)
Thank you. You've given me the marriage I sought, but, what name(s) do I attribute to Bartholomew's wife? The records show:-

07 Jul 1842 Honor HUNT            marriage
07 Jul 1845 Honor FEIGHNEY      birth of son, John
          1851 Hannah QUIGLEY     census
          1855      -      HUNT         mmn, birth of Thomas
          1860      -      HUNT         mmn, birth of Michael
          1871  Ann QUIGLEY         census

The transition Honor - Hannah - Ann is really not a problem, but, what was her surname at birth? Or, do I have to look for a baptism under both surnames?
Title: Re: Bartholomew QUIGLEY & Ann HUNT ca 1840
Post by: Wexflyer on Sunday 21 January 24 21:36 GMT (UK)
The transition Honor - Hannah - Ann is really not a problem, but, what was her surname at birth? Or, do I have to look for a baptism under both surnames?

I think it is pretty clear that her original surname was Feighney (Tythe valuation, baptism record),  original Gaelic O'Fiachna.
But she lived at the time of the forced Anglicization of Ireland, so her name was, in that area, commonly made equivalent to Hunt, even though it is not a translation.
Title: Re: Bartholomew QUIGLEY & Ann HUNT ca 1840
Post by: Wexflyer on Sunday 21 January 24 21:46 GMT (UK)
if I were to put her in a database, it would be as Feighney, alias Hunt
Title: Re: Bartholomew QUIGLEY & Ann HUNT ca 1840
Post by: garlands on Sunday 21 January 24 22:14 GMT (UK)
Wexflyer - thanks again - you've been extremely helpful.

How should we pronounce Honor's surname? Finney?

You mention baptismal records; where can I find those, please?

Title: Re: Bartholomew QUIGLEY & Ann HUNT ca 1840
Post by: Wexflyer on Sunday 21 January 24 22:22 GMT (UK)
Wexflyer - thanks again - you've been extremely helpful.

How should we pronounce Honor's surname? Finney?

You mention baptismal records; where can I find those, please?

I am not from that part of Ireland, and not familiar with that name or how it is pronounced.

The parish records are at
https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0124 (https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0124)
Title: Re: Bartholomew QUIGLEY & Ann HUNT ca 1840
Post by: garlands on Monday 22 January 24 12:33 GMT (UK)
Thanks.

I've had a look, but the baptisms start at 1842 whereas Honor was born somewhere between 1816 and 1831, depending on which census one uses.
Title: Re: Bartholomew QUIGLEY & Ann HUNT ca 1840
Post by: garlands on Monday 22 January 24 17:47 GMT (UK)
Looking at the NLI site, I see that a lot of parish records have been transcribed by FindMyPast, so I'll have a look there.
Title: Re: Bartholomew QUIGLEY & Ann HUNT ca 1840
Post by: Wexflyer on Monday 22 January 24 18:14 GMT (UK)
Looking at the NLI site, I see that a lot of parish records have been transcribed by FindMyPast, so I'll have a look there.

The transcriptions and material on RootsIreland can be superior to those on FindMyPast or Ancestry - when they have coverage of the locality you want. Which they do in this case.
Title: Re: Bartholomew QUIGLEY & Ann HUNT ca 1840
Post by: garlands on Thursday 25 January 24 12:34 GMT (UK)
I've just had a look on rootsireland for the baptism of Honor Feighney. They've offered 2 in Co Cork in 1812, none in Sligo.
Title: Re: Bartholomew QUIGLEY & Ann HUNT ca 1840
Post by: garlands on Thursday 25 January 24 14:49 GMT (UK)
I can't find anything for Bart QUIGLEY either
Title: Re: Bartholomew QUIGLEY & Ann HUNT ca 1840
Post by: garlands on Wednesday 31 January 24 12:35 GMT (UK)
Could this be our lady's baptism?

24 Jun 1819 in Ahamlish, Co Sligo   Anna FEIGHNY  to Patrick & Maria (nee HALY)

                   Sponsors: James HALY & Honoria FEIGHNY
Title: Re: Bartholomew QUIGLEY & Ann HUNT ca 1840
Post by: garlands on Thursday 07 March 24 11:27 GMT (UK)
                I think this lot all, somehow, manages to hang together, even though some of the birth-years are far from consistent:-

 07 Jul 1842       Barty QUIGLEY m Honor HUNT      Kilshalvey, Co Sligo                                                                           

1851       Bartholomew (b 1808) & Hannah (b 1816) COGLEY (Quigley?)         Austin Houses, Wigan
                                                James (1843), John (1845)                                   all b Ireland

1861       Bartholomew (b 1806) & Hannah (b1824) QUIGLEY                     14 Boyswell Lane, Wigan
                                                James (1843), John (1845)                                 all b Ireland
                        Bartholomew (1852), Thomas (1856), Catherine (1848), Michael (1860) all b Wigan

 Q4 1860        Michael QUIGLEY     mmn HUNT                                          b Wiga                     
 Q2 1864        Mary QUIGLEY          mmn HUNT                                          b Wigan

 1871       Bartholomew (1816) & Ann (1829) QUIGLEY                            Boys Well Lane, Wigan
                                                James (1845)                                     all b Ireland
                                                Thomas (1855), Mary (1864)                b Wigan

1881       Bartholomew (1815) & Ann (1831) QUIGLEY                          10 Shaws Yard, Wigan
                                                James (1846)                                    all b Ireland
                                                Thomas (1856), Mary (1865)                  b Wigan

 Q1 1887          Bartholomew QUIGLEY (b 1817)                                                died Wigan
 Q4 1890           Ann QUIGLEY (b 1831)                                                             died Wigan

                I’m sure the 1851 census entry must be QUIGLEY but, for some strange reason, I can only access the transcription; it offers me the  original but, when I ask for it, it gives me a totally different page.

                We're told by Wexflyer that the Irish name FEIGHNEY is often anglicised to HUNT, so the 1842 marriage could well be between Bartholomew QUIGLEY and Honor/Hannah/Ann FEIGHNEY. If so, I might have found her baptism:-

   14 Jun 1819      Anna FEIGHNY   to    Patrick & Maria (nee HALY)                 Ahamlish, Sligo
                                       Sponsors:  James HALY and Honoria FEIGHNEY

        James QUIGLEY (brother of Mary) consistently gives his birth year as 1843, place Sligo, which fits nicely with the 1842 marriage cited above.

Title: Re: Bartholomew QUIGLEY & Ann HUNT ca 1840
Post by: heywood on Thursday 07 March 24 12:18 GMT (UK)
I’m sure the 1851 census entry must be QUIGLEY but, for some strange reason, I can only access the transcription; it offers me the  original but, when I ask for it, it gives me a totally different page.

Yes it does say Cogley - lodging with a Henry couple with residence, Greenough Row, Austin houses.
Ancestry link works.
Title: Re: Bartholomew QUIGLEY & Ann HUNT ca 1840
Post by: garlands on Thursday 07 March 24 12:59 GMT (UK)
Thanks.

Although the original is Cogley, it has to be the QUIGLEY family
Title: Re: Bartholomew QUIGLEY & Ann HUNT ca 1840
Post by: heywood on Thursday 07 March 24 13:00 GMT (UK)
Agreed.
Title: Re: Bartholomew QUIGLEY & Ann HUNT ca 1840
Post by: garlands on Thursday 07 March 24 17:39 GMT (UK)
Because James so consistently gives his birth as Sligo, 1843, I've tried to find a record of the event, but without success. I have, however, found the baptism of his brother:-

07 Jul 1845  John QUIGLEY to Bartholomew & Honor (nee FEIGHNEY)  in Kilshalvey Kilturra
                          sponsors:  John QUIGLEY & Mary FEIGHNEY

No other siblings
Title: Re: Bartholomew QUIGLEY & Ann HUNT ca 1840
Post by: heywood on Thursday 07 March 24 19:09 GMT (UK)
There is a birth here - 29th November 1842
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632312#page/11/mode/1up

Quite difficult to spot and the page is confusing as some names for the children are on the right hand column but not all. It looks as though there isn’t a name.
However, with some scrutiny, you can see the parents names ‘Bart..Quigley and Honor Hunt.’
Title: Re: Bartholomew QUIGLEY & Ann HUNT ca 1840
Post by: garlands on Thursday 07 March 24 23:29 GMT (UK)
Thank you

I can see the names Barty Quigley & Honor Hunt, Drumdeevan, but I can't find the child's name, just a blank where I think it ought to be. What am I failing to do?
Title: Re: Bartholomew QUIGLEY & Ann HUNT ca 1840
Post by: Wexflyer on Thursday 07 March 24 23:57 GMT (UK)
Thank you

I can see the names Barty Quigley & Honor Hunt, Drumdeevan, but I can't find the child's name, just a blank where I think it ought to be. What am I failing to do?

Nothing! The priest simply neglected to write in the name. However, given the timing, it must be James.
Title: Re: Bartholomew QUIGLEY & Ann HUNT ca 1840
Post by: garlands on Friday 08 March 24 08:35 GMT (UK)
Agreed. If you're happy to accept that it must be James, then, so am I. Everything fits - not like the birth-year of Honor/Hannah/Ann!!!!!
Title: Re: Bartholomew QUIGLEY & Ann HUNT ca 1840
Post by: garlands on Friday 08 March 24 22:13 GMT (UK)
I've had another look at the late-1842 baptisms and there seem to be about a dozen instances of missing child's names between late October and early December. Either a very careless or very forgetful priest!
Title: Re: Bartholomew QUIGLEY & Ann HUNT ca 1840
Post by: garlands on Saturday 09 March 24 09:26 GMT (UK)
Wexflyer,

Apologies for not thanking you enough for your discovery of the (apparently) un-named child of Barty & Honor. I don't know how you did it, but my guess is that it must have taken considerable time and effort, so please accept my grateful thanks.
Title: Re: Bartholomew QUIGLEY & Ann HUNT ca 1840
Post by: Wexflyer on Saturday 09 March 24 13:25 GMT (UK)
Wexflyer,

Apologies for not thanking you enough for your discovery of the (apparently) un-named child of Barty & Honor. I don't know how you did it, but my guess is that it must have taken considerable time and effort, so please accept my grateful thanks.

Actually, you need to thank heywood for that!
Title: Re: Bartholomew QUIGLEY & Ann HUNT ca 1840
Post by: garlands on Saturday 09 March 24 14:08 GMT (UK)
Wexflyer,

Thanks for pointing out my error
Title: Re: Bartholomew QUIGLEY & Ann HUNT ca 1840
Post by: garlands on Saturday 09 March 24 14:18 GMT (UK)
Heywood,

I'm sure you've seen the mess I've made. My sincere apologies for wrongly attributing the discovery of James's baptism and my thanks to you for your hard work, which is much appreciated. I would never have found it.

Thank you.
Title: Re: Bartholomew QUIGLEY & Ann HUNT ca 1840
Post by: heywood on Saturday 09 March 24 17:29 GMT (UK)
No problem. I just hope it’s him. There are several with no sponsors and no names.
Best wishes
Title: Re: Bartholomew QUIGLEY & Ann HUNT ca 1840
Post by: garlands on Saturday 09 March 24 20:55 GMT (UK)
I believe that, with all the help you have given me, my original query has been satisfied in that the marriage I sought is:-

07 Jul 1842   Bartholomew QUIGLEY  m  Honor HUNT   in Kilshalvey Kilturra, Co Sligo

I have also learned much more about them and their descendants.

Many thanks for all your hard work.

My thoughts now are to terminate this topic before starting searches for Bart and Honor.
Title: Re: Bartholomew QUIGLEY & Ann HUNT ca 1840
Post by: Kiltaglassan on Sunday 10 March 24 07:29 GMT (UK)

   .....in Kilshalvey Kilturra, Co Sligo


Kilshalvy and Kilturra are two separate civil parishes.

https://www.townlands.ie/sligo/kilshalvy1/
https://www.townlands.ie/mayo/kilturra/

Kilshalvy townland is in the civil parish of Kilshalvy.
https://www.townlands.ie/sligo/corran/kilshalvy/kilshalvy/kilshalvy/
https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/3297588#map=12/54.0332/-8.5436


Title: Re: Bartholomew QUIGLEY & Ann HUNT ca 1840
Post by: Wexflyer on Sunday 10 March 24 07:37 GMT (UK)

   .....in Kilshalvey Kilturra, Co Sligo


Kilshalvy and Kilturra are two separate civil parishes.

https://www.townlands.ie/sligo/kilshalvy1/
https://www.townlands.ie/mayo/kilturra/

Kilshalvy townland is in the civil parish of Kilshalvy.
https://www.townlands.ie/sligo/corran/kilshalvy/kilshalvy/kilshalvy/
https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/3297588#map=12/54.0332/-8.5436

I believe OP is referring to the Catholic parish, rather than any civil parishes.
https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0124 (https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0124)

Said parish actually being in Counties Sligo and Mayo.
Title: Re: Bartholomew QUIGLEY & Ann HUNT ca 1840
Post by: garlands on Sunday 10 March 24 09:40 GMT (UK)
Some records in 'rootsireland.ie' reference 'Kilshalvey Kilturra' with no punctation; other records reference 'Kilshalvey, Achonry'.

Having no knowledge of the region, I can only go by what my source provides.
Title: Re: Bartholomew QUIGLEY & Ann HUNT ca 1840
Post by: garlands on Monday 11 March 24 12:34 GMT (UK)
I think that I can now mark this topic "complete" so, unless anyone disagrees, I shall do that later.

My sincere thanks to you all for the effort you've put into it, which has been absolutely fantastic.

Thank you
Title: Re: Bartholomew QUIGLEY & Ann HUNT ca 1840
Post by: heywood on Monday 11 March 24 12:50 GMT (UK)
Just a tip - if you intend new threads for Bartholomew and Honor, please include a link to this one so that you don’t get repeated information.
Good luck
Title: Re: Bartholomew QUIGLEY & Ann HUNT ca 1840
Post by: garlands on Monday 11 March 24 14:27 GMT (UK)
Thanks for the suggestion.

How do I do that? Do I merely mention this topic when I start a new thread?
Title: Re: Bartholomew QUIGLEY & Ann HUNT ca 1840
Post by: heywood on Monday 11 March 24 16:35 GMT (UK)
Just copy the URL, the address at the top of the page
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=879608.45
Title: Re: Bartholomew QUIGLEY & Ann HUNT ca 1840
Post by: garlands on Monday 11 March 24 17:09 GMT (UK)
Sorry to be a bit obtuse, but that's not the address I have at the top of the page. I have

RootsChat.Com »Ireland (Historical Counties) »Ireland (Moderator: KarenM) »Bartholomew QUIGLEY & Ann HUNT ca 1840

Once we've sorted out which address I copy, where do I place it?
Title: Re: Bartholomew QUIGLEY & Ann HUNT ca 1840
Post by: heywood on Monday 11 March 24 18:24 GMT (UK)
It’s the web address.if you click where it says ‘rootschat.com’, it will change to something similar to what I have posted. Or just click on the link I gave and you will come back to this thread.

When you post your new thread and state your query, you can say you have already posted about them here … then put the link in. I hope that makes sense.
Title: Re: Bartholomew QUIGLEY & Ann HUNT ca 1840
Post by: garlands on Monday 11 March 24 22:04 GMT (UK)
Thanks. It seems eminently sensible now; I hope it turns out the same when I try it!!!!