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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Topic started by: garlands on Friday 19 January 24 17:44 GMT (UK)
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In 1851, living at Austin Houses, Wigan, are:-
Bartholomew QUIGLEY (transcribed COGLEY), b 1808 Ireland
Hannah do do , b 1816 Ireland
James do do , b 1843 Ireland
John do do , b 1845 Ireland
In 1861, the surname is transcribed as SOWERLY, but in 1871, 1881 and 1891 it is QUIGLEY. The birth place is never more detailed than simply 'Ireland'.
It appears that, after 1851, all later children were born in Wigan with the records giving mother's maiden name as HUNT.
I know it's an extremely long shot, but can anyone please point me to the marriage of Bartholomew QUIGLEY and Ann/Hannah HUNT which, presumably, occurred ca 1842?
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Is this James in 1911. His birthplace is given as Sligo.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWYH-8V6
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I would say - yes it is. Location is fine, as is age, so I'm happy to run with that.
Many thanks - that's great
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Just noticed the connection to Thomas FAIRHURST.
Mary QUIGLEY was the first daughter (b ca 1865) of Bartholomew & Ann, and she married Thomas FAIRHURST on 04 Feb 1888 in Wigan.
That clinches it. Thank you.
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Bartholomew Quigley married Honor Hunt on 7 July 1842
Parish of Kilshalvey & Kilturra, Co Sligo.
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632311#page/19/mode/1up (https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632311#page/19/mode/1up)
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Duplicate
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There is a subsequent baptism of a John Quigly on 7 July 1845
Same parish, address Drumdeevan
Parents Bartholomew Quigly and Honor Feighney.
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632312#page/23/mode/1up (https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632312#page/23/mode/1up)
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Presumably Drumdiveen townland (OS spelling), outside Ballymote.
https://www.townlands.ie/sligo/corran/kilshalvy/kilshalvy/drumdiveen/ (https://www.townlands.ie/sligo/corran/kilshalvy/kilshalvy/drumdiveen/)
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The 1834 Tythe valuation for the parish of Kilshalvy has
a ?? John Quigley as well as both a Patrick and James Feighney in the townland of Drumdiveen
https://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/reels/tab//004625686/004625686_00728.pdf (https://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/reels/tab//004625686/004625686_00728.pdf)
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Feighney is "translated" as Hunt
https://www.libraryireland.com/names/of/o-fiachna.php (https://www.libraryireland.com/names/of/o-fiachna.php)
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Feighney is "translated" as Hunt
https://www.libraryireland.com/names/of/o-fiachna.php (https://www.libraryireland.com/names/of/o-fiachna.php)
So, wife's/mother's name actually Feighney.
Looks like the first son was named for the maternal grandfather, second son for the paternal grandfather.
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Some great finds there :)
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Just come back on-line, so must thank you for all that work - much appreciated.
The 1842 marriage must be the one I want, and I accept your statement that FEIGHNEY has been translated as HUNT, but was she Honor (1842/5), Hannah (1851 & 61) or Ann (1871 & 81)?
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Just come back on-line, so must thank you for all that work - much appreciated.
The 1842 marriage must be the one I want, and I accept your statement that FEIGHNEY has been translated as HUNT, but was she Honor (1842/5), Hannah (1851 & 61) or Ann (1871 & 81)?
Honor is Hannah, or rather the other way around.
https://www.libraryireland.com/names/women/onora-honor.php (https://www.libraryireland.com/names/women/onora-honor.php)
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I accept your statement that FEIGHNEY has been translated as HUNT
Hunt is not a translation of Feighney, which is why I put it in quotation marks. Just one of the spurious Anglicizations imposed at the time. The Gaelic surname name O'Fiachna is derived from Fiach, which actually translates to Raven.
Note that Bartholomew and Honor may very well not have been native English speakers.
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Thank you. You've given me the marriage I sought, but, what name(s) do I attribute to Bartholomew's wife? The records show:-
07 Jul 1842 Honor HUNT marriage
07 Jul 1845 Honor FEIGHNEY birth of son, John
1851 Hannah QUIGLEY census
1855 - HUNT mmn, birth of Thomas
1860 - HUNT mmn, birth of Michael
1871 Ann QUIGLEY census
The transition Honor - Hannah - Ann is really not a problem, but, what was her surname at birth? Or, do I have to look for a baptism under both surnames?
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The transition Honor - Hannah - Ann is really not a problem, but, what was her surname at birth? Or, do I have to look for a baptism under both surnames?
I think it is pretty clear that her original surname was Feighney (Tythe valuation, baptism record), original Gaelic O'Fiachna.
But she lived at the time of the forced Anglicization of Ireland, so her name was, in that area, commonly made equivalent to Hunt, even though it is not a translation.
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if I were to put her in a database, it would be as Feighney, alias Hunt
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Wexflyer - thanks again - you've been extremely helpful.
How should we pronounce Honor's surname? Finney?
You mention baptismal records; where can I find those, please?
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Wexflyer - thanks again - you've been extremely helpful.
How should we pronounce Honor's surname? Finney?
You mention baptismal records; where can I find those, please?
I am not from that part of Ireland, and not familiar with that name or how it is pronounced.
The parish records are at
https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0124 (https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0124)
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Thanks.
I've had a look, but the baptisms start at 1842 whereas Honor was born somewhere between 1816 and 1831, depending on which census one uses.
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Looking at the NLI site, I see that a lot of parish records have been transcribed by FindMyPast, so I'll have a look there.
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Looking at the NLI site, I see that a lot of parish records have been transcribed by FindMyPast, so I'll have a look there.
The transcriptions and material on RootsIreland can be superior to those on FindMyPast or Ancestry - when they have coverage of the locality you want. Which they do in this case.
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I've just had a look on rootsireland for the baptism of Honor Feighney. They've offered 2 in Co Cork in 1812, none in Sligo.
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I can't find anything for Bart QUIGLEY either
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Could this be our lady's baptism?
24 Jun 1819 in Ahamlish, Co Sligo Anna FEIGHNY to Patrick & Maria (nee HALY)
Sponsors: James HALY & Honoria FEIGHNY
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I think this lot all, somehow, manages to hang together, even though some of the birth-years are far from consistent:-
07 Jul 1842 Barty QUIGLEY m Honor HUNT Kilshalvey, Co Sligo
1851 Bartholomew (b 1808) & Hannah (b 1816) COGLEY (Quigley?) Austin Houses, Wigan
James (1843), John (1845) all b Ireland
1861 Bartholomew (b 1806) & Hannah (b1824) QUIGLEY 14 Boyswell Lane, Wigan
James (1843), John (1845) all b Ireland
Bartholomew (1852), Thomas (1856), Catherine (1848), Michael (1860) all b Wigan
Q4 1860 Michael QUIGLEY mmn HUNT b Wiga
Q2 1864 Mary QUIGLEY mmn HUNT b Wigan
1871 Bartholomew (1816) & Ann (1829) QUIGLEY Boys Well Lane, Wigan
James (1845) all b Ireland
Thomas (1855), Mary (1864) b Wigan
1881 Bartholomew (1815) & Ann (1831) QUIGLEY 10 Shaws Yard, Wigan
James (1846) all b Ireland
Thomas (1856), Mary (1865) b Wigan
Q1 1887 Bartholomew QUIGLEY (b 1817) died Wigan
Q4 1890 Ann QUIGLEY (b 1831) died Wigan
I’m sure the 1851 census entry must be QUIGLEY but, for some strange reason, I can only access the transcription; it offers me the original but, when I ask for it, it gives me a totally different page.
We're told by Wexflyer that the Irish name FEIGHNEY is often anglicised to HUNT, so the 1842 marriage could well be between Bartholomew QUIGLEY and Honor/Hannah/Ann FEIGHNEY. If so, I might have found her baptism:-
14 Jun 1819 Anna FEIGHNY to Patrick & Maria (nee HALY) Ahamlish, Sligo
Sponsors: James HALY and Honoria FEIGHNEY
James QUIGLEY (brother of Mary) consistently gives his birth year as 1843, place Sligo, which fits nicely with the 1842 marriage cited above.
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I’m sure the 1851 census entry must be QUIGLEY but, for some strange reason, I can only access the transcription; it offers me the original but, when I ask for it, it gives me a totally different page.
Yes it does say Cogley - lodging with a Henry couple with residence, Greenough Row, Austin houses.
Ancestry link works.
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Thanks.
Although the original is Cogley, it has to be the QUIGLEY family
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Agreed.
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Because James so consistently gives his birth as Sligo, 1843, I've tried to find a record of the event, but without success. I have, however, found the baptism of his brother:-
07 Jul 1845 John QUIGLEY to Bartholomew & Honor (nee FEIGHNEY) in Kilshalvey Kilturra
sponsors: John QUIGLEY & Mary FEIGHNEY
No other siblings
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There is a birth here - 29th November 1842
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632312#page/11/mode/1up
Quite difficult to spot and the page is confusing as some names for the children are on the right hand column but not all. It looks as though there isn’t a name.
However, with some scrutiny, you can see the parents names ‘Bart..Quigley and Honor Hunt.’
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Thank you
I can see the names Barty Quigley & Honor Hunt, Drumdeevan, but I can't find the child's name, just a blank where I think it ought to be. What am I failing to do?
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Thank you
I can see the names Barty Quigley & Honor Hunt, Drumdeevan, but I can't find the child's name, just a blank where I think it ought to be. What am I failing to do?
Nothing! The priest simply neglected to write in the name. However, given the timing, it must be James.
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Agreed. If you're happy to accept that it must be James, then, so am I. Everything fits - not like the birth-year of Honor/Hannah/Ann!!!!!
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I've had another look at the late-1842 baptisms and there seem to be about a dozen instances of missing child's names between late October and early December. Either a very careless or very forgetful priest!
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Wexflyer,
Apologies for not thanking you enough for your discovery of the (apparently) un-named child of Barty & Honor. I don't know how you did it, but my guess is that it must have taken considerable time and effort, so please accept my grateful thanks.
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Wexflyer,
Apologies for not thanking you enough for your discovery of the (apparently) un-named child of Barty & Honor. I don't know how you did it, but my guess is that it must have taken considerable time and effort, so please accept my grateful thanks.
Actually, you need to thank heywood for that!
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Wexflyer,
Thanks for pointing out my error
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Heywood,
I'm sure you've seen the mess I've made. My sincere apologies for wrongly attributing the discovery of James's baptism and my thanks to you for your hard work, which is much appreciated. I would never have found it.
Thank you.
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No problem. I just hope it’s him. There are several with no sponsors and no names.
Best wishes
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I believe that, with all the help you have given me, my original query has been satisfied in that the marriage I sought is:-
07 Jul 1842 Bartholomew QUIGLEY m Honor HUNT in Kilshalvey Kilturra, Co Sligo
I have also learned much more about them and their descendants.
Many thanks for all your hard work.
My thoughts now are to terminate this topic before starting searches for Bart and Honor.
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.....in Kilshalvey Kilturra, Co Sligo
Kilshalvy and Kilturra are two separate civil parishes.
https://www.townlands.ie/sligo/kilshalvy1/
https://www.townlands.ie/mayo/kilturra/
Kilshalvy townland is in the civil parish of Kilshalvy.
https://www.townlands.ie/sligo/corran/kilshalvy/kilshalvy/kilshalvy/
https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/3297588#map=12/54.0332/-8.5436
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.....in Kilshalvey Kilturra, Co Sligo
Kilshalvy and Kilturra are two separate civil parishes.
https://www.townlands.ie/sligo/kilshalvy1/
https://www.townlands.ie/mayo/kilturra/
Kilshalvy townland is in the civil parish of Kilshalvy.
https://www.townlands.ie/sligo/corran/kilshalvy/kilshalvy/kilshalvy/
https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/3297588#map=12/54.0332/-8.5436
I believe OP is referring to the Catholic parish, rather than any civil parishes.
https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0124 (https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0124)
Said parish actually being in Counties Sligo and Mayo.
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Some records in 'rootsireland.ie' reference 'Kilshalvey Kilturra' with no punctation; other records reference 'Kilshalvey, Achonry'.
Having no knowledge of the region, I can only go by what my source provides.
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I think that I can now mark this topic "complete" so, unless anyone disagrees, I shall do that later.
My sincere thanks to you all for the effort you've put into it, which has been absolutely fantastic.
Thank you
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Just a tip - if you intend new threads for Bartholomew and Honor, please include a link to this one so that you don’t get repeated information.
Good luck
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Thanks for the suggestion.
How do I do that? Do I merely mention this topic when I start a new thread?
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Just copy the URL, the address at the top of the page
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=879608.45
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Sorry to be a bit obtuse, but that's not the address I have at the top of the page. I have
RootsChat.Com »Ireland (Historical Counties) »Ireland (Moderator: KarenM) »Bartholomew QUIGLEY & Ann HUNT ca 1840
Once we've sorted out which address I copy, where do I place it?
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It’s the web address.if you click where it says ‘rootschat.com’, it will change to something similar to what I have posted. Or just click on the link I gave and you will come back to this thread.
When you post your new thread and state your query, you can say you have already posted about them here … then put the link in. I hope that makes sense.
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Thanks. It seems eminently sensible now; I hope it turns out the same when I try it!!!!