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Title: Ellen Kate NELSON - missing after 1891
Post by: bearkat on Saturday 27 January 24 22:25 GMT (UK)
Ellen Kate NELSON was born 1867 in Brixton.

In 1888 she married James Charles MENZIES

They are together in the 1891 census living at 12, Commodore Street, Mile End Old Town.

I have found no children born to the couple.

In 1901 it looks like James is living with a lady called Annie and their young daughter, also named Annie, at 4, Repton Street, Limehouse.  I can't see a marriage for them.

I can find no trace of Ellen after 1891.  I haven't found a death nor a remarriage.  Is she living with someone?

Any suggestions welcome   :)
Title: Re: Ellen Kate NELSON - missing after 1891
Post by: CaroleW on Sunday 28 January 24 00:36 GMT (UK)
1922 ER shows James Charles & Ellen Menzies living at Ernest St Mile End
Title: Re: Ellen Kate NELSON - missing after 1891
Post by: mckha489 on Sunday 28 January 24 02:05 GMT (UK)
Quote from: CaroleW on Sunday 28 January 24 00:36 GMT (UK)
1922 ER shows James Charles & Ellen Menzies living at Ernest St Mile End

I believe that is a different Ellen.

From this marriage Dec qtr 1915

Harvey    Ellen H M    Menzies    Poplar    1c   1595   
Title: Re: Ellen Kate NELSON - missing after 1891
Post by: maddys52 on Sunday 28 January 24 03:58 GMT (UK)
The James Charles MENZIES of 101 Ernest St died in 1933 aged 65 according to the burial register. Is this the same James Charles, born c1868?
Title: Re: Ellen Kate NELSON - missing after 1891
Post by: mckha489 on Sunday 28 January 24 04:28 GMT (UK)
Quote from: maddys52 on Sunday 28 January 24 03:58 GMT (UK)
The James Charles MENZIES of 101 Ernest St died in 1933 aged 65 according to the burial register. Is this the same James Charles, born c1868?

I think it is although the dob has been stretched.
The 1915 marriage would confirm if his father is Archibald (as in the marriage ot Ellen Kate).

I cannot see Ellen Kate anywhere.  ☹️
Title: Re: Ellen Kate NELSON - missing after 1891
Post by: amondg on Sunday 28 January 24 07:15 GMT (UK)
1891 census  Is that her father Charles Nelson widower aged 58 at # 13 Commodore Street?

Title: Re: Ellen Kate NELSON - missing after 1891
Post by: MollyC on Sunday 28 January 24 09:47 GMT (UK)
"Young Annie"  is aged 0.  The only FreeBMD matching birth in London is:

Menzies, Annie Elizabeth  Stepney 1c 411  MarQ 1901

In the GRO index the mmn is Feeney.  There are other Menzies/Feeney births after 1901 in London, but not before, and no Menzies/Feeney marriage anywhere (assuming correct spellings).
Title: Re: Ellen Kate NELSON - missing after 1891
Post by: bearkat on Sunday 28 January 24 09:50 GMT (UK)
Many thanks for all your efforts.

I did wonder about that Charles Nelson but the birthplace is wrong (should be Croydon) and when Ellen's mother died in 1889 she was a widow.

The most likely birth for Annie Menzies gives her mother's name as Feeney. (edit just seen your post MollyC)

Ellen is a puzzle.
Title: Re: Ellen Kate NELSON - missing after 1891
Post by: CaroleW on Sunday 28 January 24 11:10 GMT (UK)
William Charles Nelson married Elvina Martin in 1860 but the 1871 census shows children born before 1860

Ellen Kate Nelson mmn Martin was b 1867 per GRO online
Title: Re: Ellen Kate NELSON - missing after 1891
Post by: bearkat on Sunday 28 January 24 11:17 GMT (UK)
Elvina had a troubled life, see

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=836653.msg7019117#msg7019117
Title: Re: Ellen Kate NELSON - missing after 1891
Post by: Watson on Sunday 28 January 24 12:09 GMT (UK)
Withdrawn