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Title: John Cavanagh Catherine McDermotte
Post by: eksteel on Tuesday 30 January 24 12:14 GMT (UK)
Hi, I am trying to trace any family of the above named people. They were married in Easington Durham in 1856 and I am looking for any family that may still exists Please.
Title: Re: John Cavanagh Catherine McDermotte
Post by: rosie99 on Tuesday 30 January 24 12:18 GMT (UK)
Rootschat is not for tracing living people. 

Do you need help with descendants of this couple, we would need to know exactly what information you need.
Title: Re: John Cavanagh Catherine McDermotte
Post by: CaroleW on Tuesday 30 January 24 13:44 GMT (UK)
Is this the correct 1861 entry?  Looks like a second marriage

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M78B-ZK8
Title: Re: John Cavanagh Catherine McDermotte
Post by: eksteel on Tuesday 30 January 24 20:08 GMT (UK)
I am not looking for living family. I am aware that is not what root hat is for.
They were married in 1856 Durham
Title: Re: John Cavanagh Catherine McDermotte
Post by: eksteel on Tuesday 30 January 24 20:10 GMT (UK)
CarolW, I cannot see it for some reason.  But thank you for trying to help, much appreciated
Title: Re: John Cavanagh Catherine McDermotte
Post by: CaroleW on Tuesday 30 January 24 20:59 GMT (UK)
You need to register with FamilySearch which is free.  Then you will be able to see the entry. 

Do you have an Ancestry or FindMyPast subscription?

1861 for Easington

John Cavanagh 55 b Ireland agricultural labourer
Catherine 30 b Ireland
John 15 b Ireland
Charlotte 3 b Easington
Michael?? 23 lodger b Ireland

Piece 3746 Folio 14 Page 28

Possible death for John Dec qtr 1868 aged 62 www.freebmd.org.uk
Title: Re: John Cavanagh Catherine McDermotte
Post by: eksteel on Tuesday 30 January 24 21:26 GMT (UK)
CaroleW. Very many thanks for your help. I don’t have any subscriptions at the moment. The information is really helpful. I was told they had a son names Thomas born around 1864/7.
Title: Re: John Cavanagh Catherine McDermotte
Post by: CaroleW on Tuesday 30 January 24 21:27 GMT (UK)
There is an 1851 for a John Cavanagh in Easington - wife Margaret - but amongst other children is a 5yr old son John b Ireland

Will post full details shortly but need to check some details first to make sure it's the same family


Not the same family
Title: Re: John Cavanagh Catherine McDermotte
Post by: eksteel on Tuesday 30 January 24 21:36 GMT (UK)
So could be his first wife then.  I was told he was married twice but no nothing of the first wife. Thanks so much CaroleW
Title: Re: John Cavanagh Catherine McDermotte
Post by: CaroleW on Tuesday 30 January 24 21:36 GMT (UK)
If I have the right 1871 entry - Catherine has a 10 possibly 11yr old Charlotte & a 5yr old William but no Thomas

GRO online confirms William's birth was registered March qtr 1866 - mmn McDermott
Title: Re: John Cavanagh Catherine McDermotte
Post by: CaroleW on Tuesday 30 January 24 22:18 GMT (UK)
Forget that 1851 entry I mentioned in my earlier reply- not the right one.  Found that couple in 1861 and wife Margaret is still alive

Can't see a logical 1851 entry so wonder if John arrived between 1851-1856





   
Title: Re: John Cavanagh Catherine McDermotte
Post by: eksteel on Tuesday 30 January 24 23:23 GMT (UK)
Thank you so much for your help. So still looking for a Thomas Kavanagh born around 1867ish with father John.
Title: Re: John Cavanagh Catherine McDermotte
Post by: CaroleW on Wednesday 31 January 24 00:20 GMT (UK)
Can you confirm spelling of surname?  Your post says Cavanagh but you say Thomas was Kavanagh?

No 1871 or 1881 entry fits the profile.

Where was Thomas born?
Who did he marry - when & where?
Title: Re: John Cavanagh Catherine McDermotte
Post by: AlanBoyd on Wednesday 31 January 24 07:20 GMT (UK)
I made some rough notes on this yesterday, don't have time to follow up now, so posting in case this is any help:

searches for Catherine Cavanagh

a death registered Q4 1891 Easington

census (all except Catherine born Easington)
1891
Owen 20 grandson

1881
Charlotte 20
William 15
Owen 10 grandson

1871
Charlotte 11
William 5

1861
John 15
Charlotte 3

who is Owen? son of John's son John?
there is an Owen Cavanagh bapt Easington 1870 and a burial Sunderland 1895
Title: Re: John Cavanagh Catherine McDermotte
Post by: CaroleW on Wednesday 31 January 24 09:52 GMT (UK)
GRO online shows mmn as Conlay on Owen's 1870 birth reg.  Don't appear to be any other births with that mmn and no marriage on freebmd
Title: Re: John Cavanagh Catherine McDermotte
Post by: CaroleW on Wednesday 31 January 24 10:11 GMT (UK)
Possible 1871 entry - as mistranscription

Michel Caving 26 widower b Ireland
Own Caving 7mths     Son b Easington

Appear to be living next door to a family of "Cavings" headed by "Own (50) & Catherine (42)

Piece 4977  Folio 72 Page 2

Possible death for wife

Elizabeth Cavanagh aged 18 Sept qtr 1870 Easington 10A 256
Title: Re: John Cavanagh Catherine McDermotte
Post by: AlanBoyd on Wednesday 31 January 24 10:24 GMT (UK)
from DRO

Easington, County Durham,  Our Lady of Victories & St. Thomas
28 Aug 1870 Owen Cavanagh, son of Michael Cavanagh & Elizabeth nee Connolly

Title: Re: John Cavanagh Catherine McDermotte
Post by: heywood on Wednesday 31 January 24 17:52 GMT (UK)
So could be his first wife then.  I was told he was married twice but no nothing of the first wife. Thanks so much CaroleW

The marriage certificate would give you his marital status -  bachelor/widower and his fathers name.

Thank you so much for your help. So still looking for a Thomas Kavanagh born around 1867ish with father John.

Where do you have information re Thomas?
Title: Re: John Cavanagh Catherine McDermotte
Post by: AlanBoyd on Wednesday 31 January 24 18:51 GMT (UK)
Where is Thomas supposed to fit in?

This is the only Thomas Cavanagh that I have found born in Easington in the 1860s

1871 Easington
Michael Cavanah 58 mason's labourer
Mary Ann Cavanah 40
John Cavanah 14
Margaret Cavanah 12
Thomas Cavanah 10   
Ellen Cavanah 4
Michael Cavanah 1

parents Ireland, all children Easington
slightly surprising that John, 12, has no occupation
Title: Re: John Cavanagh Catherine McDermotte
Post by: heywood on Wednesday 31 January 24 20:31 GMT (UK)
There are several published trees for the family - I have only looked at one.
Thomas has been included as a sibling and this 1871 census has been referenced:

1871 4953/20/5
Wolsingham Road, Wolsingham - a Common Lodging House run by James Brannon.
John Cavanagh 38 yrs Labourer b Ireland
Catharine 38 yrs b Ireland
Thomas 7 yrs b North Wales, Wrexham
John 1 yr b Durham, Ferry Hill
Title: Re: John Cavanagh Catherine McDermotte
Post by: heywood on Wednesday 31 January 24 20:38 GMT (UK)
In 1881 4925 /36/65

The family are living at Helmington Row and Thomas is shown b Spennymoor.
Title: Re: John Cavanagh Catherine McDermotte
Post by: eksteel on Thursday 01 February 24 10:09 GMT (UK)
Sorry for the late reply. Kavanagh is spelt with both a K and a C.
I did follow the Helmington Row family, John ended up in Gateshead but totally lost Thomas.
Thomas married a Margaret McCoy in 1894 in Lanchester Co Durham, he was born 1867 according to his marriage cert. No idea where he was born or died yet still working on that. He had 3 children Mary Ellen born 1894, Catherine Bridget born 1896 and John Thomas born 1898 only Catherine survived.
Thomas' father was John a labourer. When married they lived at a place called Flint Hill Dipton n Co Durham. When the baby died in 1900 I never found any trace of him after that. I have saved census records etc but cannot prove anything.  Very many thanks to everyone who posted to help. I don't know how to post an individual reply.   
Title: Re: John Cavanagh Catherine McDermotte
Post by: heywood on Thursday 01 February 24 11:23 GMT (UK)
Where were the family living when John Thomas died - the address.
I can see his birth in 1898 but not a death.

Was Catherine Bridget in an institution in 1911?
Title: Re: John Cavanagh Catherine McDermotte
Post by: eksteel on Thursday 01 February 24 19:41 GMT (UK)
Keeping Place Felling Gateshead is the address and he died in Gateshead in 1900.

Catherine Bridget was still with her mother in 1911 and never institutionalized.
Thanks for asking and thanks for your help.
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Title: Re: John Cavanagh Catherine McDermotte
Post by: eksteel on Thursday 01 February 24 19:42 GMT (UK)
Leeming place, not keeping place, spellcheck changed it sorry.
Title: Re: John Cavanagh Catherine McDermotte
Post by: heywood on Thursday 01 February 24 20:01 GMT (UK)
I can’t see Catherine in 1911 with her mother.
There are published trees which has Catherine as Caveney in an institution. That’s the the one I meant.
Where are they living?
I can’t see a death for John Thomas either -do you have the reference please?
Title: Re: John Cavanagh Catherine McDermotte
Post by: eksteel on Thursday 01 February 24 21:30 GMT (UK)
Catherine was living with her mother and new husband Patrick  McIntyre, they married in 1902 in Newcastle upon Tyne.
I don’t have an address for them.
John Thomas died in Newcastle upon Tyne in 1900 and is buried in Gateshead.
Sorry I don’t have refs.