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Research in Other Countries => Canada => Topic started by: Peggy13 on Wednesday 31 January 24 19:28 GMT (UK)
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As per George's death certificate,he was born 1811 in Ireland and died Nov 6,1911 in Kinloss, Bruce Co., Ontario, Canada. His father was George but I would like to know his mother's name and where George was born exactly. Since he was 100 years of age, I thought perhaps there might be an obituary or a big party on his birthday.
George had married Eliza Irvine Mar 15, 1849 at the Registrar's Office in the Town of Enniskillen, Co. Fermanagh but George's residence at the time was the Town of Lisnarrick, Civil Parish of Derryvollen. Looks like Eliza's residence was Tullycreevey,Civil Parish of Deveney.
https://www.rootschat.com/links/01syt/
They must have emigrated abt 1856 since their first child born in Canada was George Phibbs Johnston June 28,1857.
I don't find his death on findagrave but I did find this on familysearch.
https://www.rootschat.com/links/01sys/
Thanks for any help.
Peggy
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He is buried in Ripley-Huron Cemetery according to Genweb Cemetery Index. He was likely closer to 90 than 100 based on other records.
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Thank you so very much Eileen. Which other records are you referring to? Perhaps I will call the Cemetery and see what they have to say.
Peggy
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Peggy13, I didn’t go into familysearch to see what you linked to…is it his tombstone?
His death certificate does indicate his age is 100 years and so does his tombstone.
PB
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Looking at the various census records, he was more consistently 10 years younger; ie, in 1891, he is listed as 70. In 1901, he's 82. And in 1911, shortly before his death, he is 90.
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Hi polarbear, I was linking to his death certificate which indicates an age of 100.
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Also George Phibbs Johnston's obituary in Saskatchewan indicates he was born in Ireland but came to Canada at a young age. The 1891 census also indicates he was born in Ireland as well. Online tree has George's tombstone as well.
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Thank you eileenwilson for this tombstone photo and other info. That’s great. I wish he had an obituary. But seems he was born more like 1820 than 1811.
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Obituary for his wife -- doesn't name him as surviving?? Front page:
https://newspapers.brucemuseum.ca/viewer?file=%2Fmedia%2Fnewspapers%2FThe_Bruce_Herald%2FTHE_BRUCE_HERALD_1911-06-21.PDF#page=1&search=%22george%20johnston%22&phrase=true
The Bruce County Museum has a great collection of online historical newspapers. You may find other tidbits, but I'm not seeing an obit for George himself:
https://newspapers.brucemuseum.ca/
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this is great, eileenwilson. Thank you so very much. I couldn't view it on my iPad but it worked on my desktop. Thank you also for the link to the newspapers.
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Thank you eileenwilson for this tombstone photo and other info. That’s great.
Someone can't spell county Fermanagh properly. ;) ;)
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I have spent much time researching many online trees regarding George Johnston and Eliza Irvine. Found unverified info that George was born May 1819 in Armaph, Enniskillen, Co. Fermanagh. This fits quite well with the censuses. Does anyone have any suggestions as to what church George's baptism might be found if they were COI?
Thank you
Peggy
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Source for this info? Few C of I records have survived and depend entirely on the parish.
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One place that I saw it was on genealogy.com,posted by Nina Rogers, on Sept 1, 2012. They are her third great grandparents. Unfortunately, I think she had the wrong parents for George Jr.
George Johnston, Jr, May 1819, Armaph, Enniskillen, Ireland - November 6, 1911, Kinloss, Bruce, Ontario, Canada
Married March 15, 1849, Enniskillen (787 #67) to Elizabeth G Irwin, April 10, 1822, Fermanagh, Ireland - June 18, 1911, Kinloss, Bruce, Ontario, Canada.
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I have just discovered Nina has a private tree on Ancestry. I will write to her.
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There is no place called Armaph in Ireland. Likely a confusion with Armagh, the neighbouring county to Fermanagh.
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I did wonder about that Eileen. Yesterday I found dozens of trees that have that information which is likely one tree copying from another. As for Nina, I’ve been told that she’s no longer on ancestry and the person that you contact hasn’t been on for a year. There is quite a confusion about who are the parents of this George but I am quite sure it is NOT George Johnston and Susan Elizabeth Johnston. I have official documentation regarding Elizabeth Armstrong Breen nee Johnston, daughter of George Johnston and Susan Elizabeth Johnston, and her brother George was living near Newcastle Australia in 1853 and 1854 and put up money to sponsor the Breen family emigration to Australia. The documents do specify that it was her brother George and that he was living in Australia. At the same time, George and Eliza Irwin were having children in Ireland before emigration to Canada about 1858. So they have to be two different Georges, and George who is married to Eliza Irwin cannot be the son of George Johnston and Susan Elizabeth Johnston by a process of elimination.
I am also not sure that Susan had a middle name Elizabeth although she might have. Many trees claim that she died in 1849, but when you look at the documentation provided by some trees and go to findagrave and find Susan Elizabeth Johnston who died in 1849, she is the wife of Robert. Elizabeth Breen’s emigration papers say that her parents George and Susan were deceased by 1854 when she emigrated.
The 1901 census in Canada does have a date of birth for George of May 1819 which is about right and agrees with the 1911 census roughly. I haven’t found George between his emigration and 1901. I wrote to the municipal clerk of Huron-Kinloss regarding George’s death and family history who told me to write to the library who told me to write to the government of Kinloss who told me to write to the Bruce county historical Society. That is where that one is.
Peggy
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In the 1891 census, George and Eliza (noted as Lisa) are in Kinloss, both aged 78, with children Florence, 28, and Robert, 26.
I also found George, aged 64, and Elizabeth, aged 50, with daughter Mary aged 19 and son Robert, aged 17, all in Kinloss in the 1881 census. Written and indexed as Jonston.
1871 Census in Kinloss as Jonson has George aged 52 (or 42), Elizabeth, aged 46, with son James, aged 17 (all born in Ireland), as well as George Jr. aged 14, Stevin (sic), aged 12, Mary Ann, aged 12, and Robert W., aged 7, all born in Ontario.
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Thank you so much Eileen for all of these . I also just found them in 1861 in Brantford, Brant county, Ontario under Johnson. There is a Marianne on there as well who must be the Annie who married Thomas Ferris in 1888 and Francis Macklem in 1898. In 1898 she gives her parents as George Johnston and Eliza Irwin.
Making progress although it still doesn’t solve the question of George’s parents. I did write to the Bruce County Archives earlier today.
Peggy
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I'm not seeing that 1861 census, but makes me wonder why we don't see Florence until much later??
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My message disappeared, but here is the link for the 1861
https://www.rootschat.com/links/01t00/
Looks like Mary Ann is aged two months and on the 1871 she is aged 9. Pretty sure she is Annie on the marriage records in 1888 and in 1898. Annie mostly gives her Dob for 1864 but still think it’s her.
Florence did not marry so can’t be Annie.
Good observation that we don’t see Florence until 1891. I just checked the 1871 and she is not there despite being reportedly born September 1862.
Peggy
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George Johnston and Eliza Irwin name one of their sons George Phibbs Johnston in 1857. George’s father was George as per his marriage and his death. George’s mother is not named, but I am thinking it was Florence McGregor who married George Johnston, Sr. in 1817 in the Parish of Clogher, and that would fit with the birth of George in May 1819 as per the 1901 census. Florence McGregor‘s father was possibly Phibbs McGregor. I need to find the marriage in 1817 or Florence’s birth about 1795 to try to prove this theory.
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I have George Johnston and Flora aka Florence on the 1821 Irish census, living right next door to her likely parents Phibbs McGrigor and Jane Archdale.
This morning, I located the obituary for this George's great grandson David I. Johnston in the Regina Leader-Post on May 25, 1937 (he died May 18, 1937 in Welwyn, Saskatchewan.) However, my Premium Subscription to Newspapers.com expired yesterday. Can anyone tell me the names of David's children? His wife was Margaret Stroud whom he married in 1921.
Thank you so very much for any help.
Peggy
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Here is the obit :) :)
The Leader-Post
Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada
Tue, 25 May 1937
Page 13
https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-leader-post/147740544/
Sandra
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Marriage of Sylvia Merle Johnston may be of interest. Mother Margaret remarried - Margaret Creek
The Winnipeg Tribune
Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
Tue, 8 Jul 1947
Page 10
https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-winnipeg-tribune/147741947/
Margaret Creek on FIND A GRAVE
Welwyn Cemetery
Welwyn, Melville Census Division, Saskatchewan
PLOT 54/2
Margaret “Maggie” Stroud Creek - 1899 - 1986
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/136711808/margaret-creek
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Fantastic. Obit says 4 children and I only have 3. Thanks so much, Sandra.
Thanks also for the marriage of Sylvia. I have just found brothers George David Johnston, and Harvey Melfort Johnston so missing one sibling.
Peggy
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Thanks for info on Margaret Creek. I did see that on findagrave.
Peggy
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Missing sibling for the family of David Irwin Johnston was Lyle.
I went back through the various censuses and found George and Eliza in 1861 in Brantford, Co. Brant and he is age 36 so born abt 1825. I also went through all the tax assessments for Kinloss and George's date of birth usually varies from 1821-1823. I am positive that it is George's baptism May 18,1823, parents George and Flora aka Florence, residence Tullyavy, baptised at Trory.
Peggy