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Mary Gibson was born about 1823 Unknown place. USA. Parents unknown.
At 18 she resided in Sanquhar Dumfriesshire. Scotland.
Mary Gibson (1823) married Robert Reid. 16 June 1847. In Sanquhar Scotland
Robert Reid was born in 1816 - 1908. Unknown where he was born
On 10 March 1864 she arrived in New York. USA… but left same year for Liverpool England. Unknown if husband was with her.
From that time on there has been no proof of her whereabouts. But there was a death of Mary Gibson 12 December 1883. Hackney London. England.
As there are quite a few Mary Gibsons in both USA and England I’m trying to trace the Mary Gibson born in America in 1823.
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PS on Mary Gibson. I believe she had a brother Jonah. Or Josiah
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Robert and Mary REID and some of their children are at 2 Victoria Grove, Hackney in 1881
RG11/313 pg42
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q279-T425
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q279-THWK
Robert REID is with his son Robert in 1891, he is widowed, so Mary died between 1881 and 1891.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QGWK-YN2
So the Mary Gibson REID who died Dec qtr 1883 at Hackney aged 60 certainly looks like her.
Probate for Mary REID of 117 King Edward Rd, Hackney, wife of Robert REID, Gentleman, died 12 Dec 1883. Same address for the abode of the Mary Gibson REID (aged 60) burial on 18 Dec 1883 at the City of London and Tower Hamlets Cemetery.
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Robert Reid was born in 1816 - 1908. Unknown where he was born
The 1851 Scotland census has Robert and Mary REID at 6 Apsley Place, Gorbals. Robert born c1817, Glasgow, shawl manufacturer.
https://www.freecen.org.uk/search_records/5a151249f4040b9d6e1d9aa1
The 1861 Scotland census has Robert and Mary REED at 2 Chatham Pl, Glasgow. Says he was born c1817 in Glasgow, a textile manufacturer.
The 1871 Scotland census has Robert and Mary REID at 448 Duke St, again Robert born c1817 in Glasgow, a cloth manufacturer (unemployed).
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For interest, 117 King Edward Rd was advertised for sale in Jan/Feb 1883 eg:
Tuesday, Jan. 30, 1883
Publication: The Standard
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Thank you for all that Maddy. Great. Is there any record where Mary Gibson was born. I know it was in America. But would like to know which state. All I get is born in USA. Thanks.
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Tread carefully, as "America" may also include any of the British colonies. There was recently a thread on RC where the person in question was born in Guyana, but on the census was recorded as "American".
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Mary Gibson 1841 census
https://www.freecen.org.uk/search_records/5902e7abe9379091b1d3279f/mary-gibson-1841-dumfriesshire-sanquhar-1826-?locale=en
Yes, looks like Josiah is a brother
Have you looked to see who Jean Ballantine is? Looks as if she might be the mother?
In 1851 census Sanquhar
Jane Ballantine 63 (b 1788) widow, Woollen and Linen Draper
Born Kilbucho, Peebleshire
https://www.scottishindexes.com/51transcript.aspx?houseid=84802111
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Thanks again for all that. Much appreciated. Definitely look into Mary Ballantyne I was told Joshua. Or Josiah was a brother. Born around 1818. Apparently he migrated to Melbourne Australia. 1852. But not confirmed. Dalek.
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Correction. Mary Ballantine. Not Ballantyne. Sorry.
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Jane Ballantine. Not Mary. 🙄
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According to the June 1847 marriage notice for Robert Reid & Mary Gibson, the bride's father was "John Gibson, Esq of Stafford, Ohio, U.S."
This doesn't mean Mary was born in Stafford. It's just where her father was living c1847.
Stafford is a very small village, and was a station on the Underground Railroad.
Originally named Bethel, it was laid out in 1838. In 1845 it's name changed to Stafford. William Steel, a Scottish-born abolitionist, is credited with changing the name of the village from Bethel to Stafford.
A couple of the marriage notices have "John Gibson, Esq of Stafford, Ohio, NS". Which I presume is Nova Scotia. Could be just a typo, though.
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Jean Ballantine, the lady whom Mary and Josiah are residing with in 1841, could be their aunt.
There's a Jean Gibson born 1788 in Kilbucho, Peeblesshire. Same birth year and birthplace listed in the 1851 census for Jean/Jane Ballantine.
Not sure if this John Gibson is connected to Mary and Josiah (or Jane/Jean Ballantine):
"Apprentice to, and eldest son of, Archibald Gibson, W.S. Born 1st February 1789.
Died 31st January 1879. Married (1) 21st July 1818, his cousin, Catherine, third daughter of John Dickson of Kilbucho, Peeblesshire, Advocate ; and (2) 10th April 1849, Mary Ann Mazyck, second daughter of Paul Weston, Physician, Charleston, South Carolina, U.S.A. Treasurer, 1862-70".
April 1849: John Gibson, a Writer to the Signet, married Mary Ann Mazyck (of Charleston, South Carolina), in Portobello, Edinburgh.
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Thank you Ashtone. That’s very interesting. Will check that all out. As you can imagine. So many Mary Gibsons. Quite a headache. But I appreciate what you all have found so far. Grateful Dalek. 🌺
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You mentioned that Mary Reid (nee Gibson) arrived in New York in March 1864. Where is that passenger record? What ship did she sail on?
Looks like a Josiah Gibson traveled to America in 1842. He's described as "Gentleman" on the Passenger manifest image. Both record images can be found on Family Search.
If Josiah remained in America until the 1850 census it would give the state he was born in. Although locating him in 1850 would depend on how he's described in the census record.
There's a Josiah Gibson (1818-1888) who died in Creston, Iowa. Birthplace: Virginia. Looks like he was a Minister, and had been living in Iowa for 8 years at the time of his death.
New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1891
Name Josiah Gibson
Birth Year (Est) 1818
Birthplace United States
Nationality United States
Event Date 1842
Ship Name Oxford
New York, New York, Index to Passenger Lists, 1820-1846
Name Josiah Gibson
Age 24
Residence Date 1842
Residence Place GB
Event Date 1842
Ship Name Oxford
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I'm curious as to the connection between Mary's father (John Gibson, Esq) and Stafford, Ohio. It's always been a very small town. In 1850 the population was only 124. Throughout it's history the population has never been above 200. Was her father involved in the abolitionist movement?
Perhaps there's a clue connected to Mary's 1864 visit to America. Was she visiting John or Josiah?
There's an 1855 death for a Mrs Jane Ballantine at Sanquhar.
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There's an 1855 death for a Mrs Jane Ballantine at Sanquhar.
The index shows that Jane Ballantine’s other name was Jane Gibson. Mother’s maiden name was Steele.
So Jane will be Aunt to Josiah and Mary, and sister to John Gibson in America.
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I think Josiah Gibson, the Minister, is possibly your chap. He can be found in the 1850-1880 US census records. Occupation is always Minister or Methodist Preacher. The 1880 census in Effingham, Illinois gives his parents birthplaces as Scotland (father) and Virginia (mother). Might just be a coincidence.
If there's an online marriage record for Josiah, it might indicate his father's name and occupation.
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There's an 1855 death for a Mrs Jane Ballantine at Sanquhar.
The index shows that Jane Ballantine’s other name was Jane Gibson. Mother’s maiden name was Steele.
So Jane will be Aunt to Josiah and Mary, and sister to John Gibson in America.
Sounds like John Gibson, Esq has the family connection to William Steel, the Scottish-born abolitionist who gave Stafford, Ohio it's new name. Explains why John would be in Stafford, then.
Also, I did mention in Reply #12 that Jane/Jean could be their aunt. ;)
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Jane Gibson / Ballantine's death certificate will give more details about both parents.
I believe her father will be John Gibson and mother Mary Steel.
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Partial bio on William Steel: "Born in Biggar, Scotland, on August 26, 1809, and emigrated to the United States with his parents in 1817. The family first settled near Winchester, Virginia, but soon moved to Monroe County, Ohio. From 1830 until the Civil War, Steel was a leader in the “Underground Railroad” in SE Ohio".
So there's another Virginia connection. Perhaps John Gibson, Esq emigrated around the same time as the Steel family, and initially settled in Virginia, as well. That would tie in with Josiah's birth in VA, as per those census records. Mary's birthplace might be VA, too.
Before 1853, systematic statewide recording of births, marriages, and deaths did not occur in Virginia. Many pre-1853 marriage records survive, but birth and death records are rare.
If this is the Gibson family Dalek is researching they're quite interesting, particularly with the abolitionist connection.
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There is a birth for a John Gibson in 1784 Biggar, Lanarkshire to parents John Gibson and Mary Steel.
This is possibly the same John Gibson who travelled to New York in 1804 (age 19).
Also possibly same John Gibson (merchant) in the 1850 census, Stafford Ohio, with wife Catherine (born 1792 Virginia), and children James (b 1827 Ohio - Dentist), Jane (b 1825 Ohio), William (b 1830 Ohio).
There is a marriage in 1814 in Frederick Virginia for John Gibson to Catherine Crum.
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You asked what ship was Mary Gibson on. Passenger list were. Robert. Mary. Jane. Cargerine. Robert and William.
Ashtione. As I’m doing this for my friend. She has all dates etc and wants to follow on from me, if that’s ok with you. She’s going to register with Rootschat and follow this thread. I want to thank you for your help. We think you’ve found her. Also thanks to other members who assisted. Dalek🌺
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Ship was Australasian ( Mary Gibson)
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Fascinating family.
Here is the 1864 passenger list:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939V-RS9J-42?view=index&personArk=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AQVPJ-7DHK&action=view
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Just want to thank everyone for all the information on Mary Gibson, I think, Ashtone, you have found her, I will investigate further. Yes, definitely a very interesting family, I'm very lucky to have them.
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According to the June 1847 marriage notice for Robert Reid & Mary Gibson, the bride's father was "John Gibson, Esq of Stafford, Ohio, U.S."
Also of possible note is that Mary is described as the "eldest daughter" of John GIBSON.
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In the 1850 census John Gibson and family were living in Stafford Ohio
By the 1860 census John and family had moved to Morris, Grundy County, Illinois
John GIBSON (Junior) died 8 Nov 1784 in Morris, Grundy County Illinois
His wife Catherine died 1865
They were buried in Evergreen Cemetery https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/89028246/john-gibson
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Children of John GIBSON and Mary STEEL(E)
Baptised Biggar (Lanarkshire)
• John GIBSON (Junior) 20 July 1784 (born 10 July)
Baptised Kilbucho, (Peebleshire)
• David GIBSON 20 Feb 1786
• Jean / Jane GIBSON 2 April 1788
• Alexander GIBSON 23 Feb 1790
• James GIBSON 2 July 1794
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There is a birth for a John Gibson in 1784 Biggar, Lanarkshire to parents John Gibson and Mary Steel.
This is possibly the same John Gibson who travelled to New York in 1804 (age 19).
Also possibly same John Gibson (merchant) in the 1850 census, Stafford Ohio, with wife Catherine (born 1792 Virginia), and children James (b 1827 Ohio - Dentist), Jane (b 1825 Ohio), William (b 1830 Ohio).
There is a marriage in 1814 in Frederick Virginia for John Gibson to Catherine Crum.
Nice finds, Neale1961. I did see that 1850 census record for John Gibson, but dismissed it. I presumed "merchant" may have meant the local grocery proprietor. ::)
1860: John's occupation is "Gentleman". This fits in with Josiah Gibson, the Methodist Minister in Illinois.
Daughter Jean Gibson Oliver died in 1918 in Illinois. Parents names: John Gibson (born Scotland) and Catherine Crum (born Virginia).
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Catherine Crum marriage 14 July 1814 in Frederick Virginia to John Gibson
Her father is named as Christian Crum
From A Crum Family in America by Ferris B. Crum
"Christian Crum Sr. and his twin brother, Henry, were probably born about 1748 in Germany. Their father, Anthony Crum Sr., migrated to America about 1753 and settled first in Pennsylvania and a few years later in Frederick County, Virginia. Christian and Henry accompanied their father to America, grew to manhood in Pennsylvania, and moved to Frederick County, Virginia about the same time as their father.
Christian married Christiana Schmidt in Pennsylvania; Henry married Modlena (Mary Magdelena) --?__. They are shown as Heads of Families in the First Census of the U.S. Christian is shown as having six whites in his family and no negroes; Henry as having four whites and no negroes. Christian died Sept. 30, 1820; Henry in 1819. These men were famous Ministers, and associated with the early history of the United Brethren Church, or the Methodist Episcopal Church. They are frequently mentioned in the early histories of the U.B. Church, and in Asbury's History of Methodism.
Lawrence in his History of the United Brethren Church 28 quotes Henry Smith as follows: 'The Crums, Christian and Henry, I knew from my boyhood. They were our neighbors. They were twin brothers, and so much alike in early life that it was difficult to tell them apart. They were raised, I believe, in the German Reformed Church. They prayed and preached in the German. In the work of the ministry, Christian took the lead, and always kept it. I shall never forget the good and fatherly advice he gave me when I was yet a wily boy, and the impression it made on my youthful mind They both became itinerants. Christian travelled pretty extensively, and was an acceptable and useful preacher. O revere his memory. He was much beloved. Henry was a good man and useful. His house was open to the English (Methodist) as well as German (United Brethren) preachers.' Telling of a church service on Nov. 20, 1803, Smith said: 'Brother C. Crum spoke also, and it pleased God to accompany the word with power, and many cried aloud for mercy.' Henry, and his wife, Modlena, on Nov. 17, 1817 conveyed to certain trustees thirty-two poles of land for the erection of a Methodist Church.
#The major portion of this account was supplied by Judge Donald L. Lybarger. Crum, Ferris B., PhD.
"Christian Crum Sr. (5001) and Henry Crum (5002)," A Crum Family in America, Revised. [no publication information], 1965. p. 409.
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https://www.amazon.com.au/Crum-Family-Concerning-Descendants-Frederick/dp/1015215726
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I believe the Gibson family were involved with the Underground Railroad. Illinois had numerous UR stations, including Joliet, where Josiah lived and preached in 1860. In 1870 he's in Marion, Shelby, Illinois. Then in Effingham in 1880.
In 1850 Josiah was living in Columbiana, Ohio, a county that was also involved with the Underground Railroad. His wife Elvira's surname may be Ebbert (as per one of their children's marriage records).
Note: When one of Josiah's sons married he named his father as "Jonah Gibson" which takes us back to the details dalek39 gave at the start of this thread.
Indeed they are a fascinating activist family. They made a real difference in the world.
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Ashtone..Neil. Maddy. Just read the information you gave. Terrific. My friend has joined in She’s a happy camper. 😁. Thanks once again. No doubt I’ll be back with something else. 🙄. 😘. Dalek.
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Welcome Jackiemico. Don’t be shy to ask questions if you have any.