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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Worcestershire => Topic started by: sft456 on Saturday 03 February 24 19:16 GMT (UK)
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Hi
Trying to find more details about our Arthur HAINES
B 12.1.1868 Bap 15.3.1868 Walburton, Sussex to Wiliam & Sarah
He is on 1871 & 1881 C with family in Sussex
Poss he on 1891 C as a Medical Student in Putney, b Sussex
Poss on 1901 C as a Physcian & Surgeon with wife Clarissa E (she b 1870 Australia) & son William Arthur C Haines (b 1899) in Tenbury, Worcs. Arthur b 1869 New Chichester, Sussex! (never heard of this)
Can't find anything about Clarissa (b Australia) or their m (presumably before 1899) & no further details on the couple
Son William A C m Doris I V Wallace 1925 Marylebone, London etc
There is a poss d/bur for our Arthur in Australia - d/bur 3.8.1941 b 1871 Walburton, Sussex
His wife is Alice Graham Murray b Tenbury, Worcs 1875 d Australia 1935 - her C details or m not found in England
Children on bur details:
Son - Arthur Graham Haines b 1908 - not found in England
Dau - Barbara Helen Haines b 1913 - not found in England
No mention of William A C Haines b 1899 Tenbury (above)
Some coincidences (Tenbury & Walburton) some not (wives & kids) - Is this our Arthur throughout or 2 different families? - no other Arthur Haines b Walburton, Sussex can be found within quite a few years either side of 1868
Did he poss m twice?
Any help would be appreciated
sft456
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On GRO website son Arthur has the mothers maiden name as REED.
Marriage that could match.
William Haines
EUPHEMIA CLARISSA REED in Newark reg district in 1896.
Tazzie
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Thanks
I assume you mean Arthur Haines m Euphemia Clarissa REED 1896 Newark, Lincs and they had a son William A C Haines. I wonder how that sits with Arthur's poss d/bu of 1941 & his wife Alice?
sft456
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Thanks
I assume you mean Arthur Haines m Euphemia Clarissa REED 1896 Newark, Lincs and they had a son William A C Haines. I wonder how that sits with Arthur's poss d/bu of 1941 & his wife Alice?
sft456
Yes you said you could not find a marriage for this couple. So you now need a corresponding death for a Clarissa or Euphemia.
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Might be a total coincidence but there's a Claris Haines aged 65 who arrives in Liverpool in 1936 from Bombay. Occupation nurse. Address - Lloyds Bank, Tenbury
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The Arthur who dies in Australia had 5 children - 3 sons and 2 daughters.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/131521039?searchTerm=%22dr%20arthur%20haines%22
He took up post in 1908, moving from eslewhere in Australia
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Confusingly there is a Clarisa [sic] E Haines, married, in Brighton in 1939 running a boarding house. She's b 1879 and has a Harold with her, of a similar age
Claris Haynes, b 1870, married, trained nurse, is listed in Hailsham
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Our Arthur Haines is also a Doctor, b in England - as I mentioned. The bur details on Find my past state he was 70 in 1871 b in Walburton - the newspaper article is short on destail. There are no other Arthur Haines b in Walburton at that toem. It also mentions 2 children as I again menrioned 1 born 1908 1 in 1913 & poss one b in 1899 - w poss wives
The article fails to mention his wife, whch, according to the bur details, was Alice Graham Murray b Tenbury. If our Arthur is the same man as in the article & on the bur details and in the 1901 C, where do Alice & Euphemia Clarice fit in ?
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When the son William A C Haines marries, he gives his occupation as AC Police, federated Malay states
His RAF records from WWI list Dr Haines, father as the person to be informed of casualty. Address given is in Pinner, but it's a bit unclear whether that's for him or his father. There's another address in Summersdown, Chichester
I'm getting a feeling his parents split up - whether before or after they left the UK I'm not sure
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Dr Haines of Willunga is quite quiet about his family
he went to Narracoorte in Nov 1907 as a locum, moving there from Melbourne
His daughter Barbara was b in 1913, according to her burial. The family notice of her marriage says she was the younger daughter of Arthur and Alice
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1921 census has a Claris Haines b1870 Ballarat, Victoria, Australia in Aldenham, Watford. she's with a family and a selection of other people, which suggests to me she's a live in employee (nurse?)
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When I couldn't find a 1911 or 1921 C for Arthur & Claris, (you have for Claris - presumably on her own) I began to wonder if he might have emigrated. There are other Haines in this family who went to Ballarat, Victoria in 1870 & are stll there
Their son William A C was at boarding school in Worcester in 1911 aged 11, someone would have had to be around for him. He would have been conscripted in October 1917
It is poss, if the 2 Arthur's are the same, for him to have emigrated to Australia after 1901, though where Clarissa went I don't know. Perhaps they fell out and divorced. Shame we have no m details for Alice
I have found no d record for Arthur in England or emigration details. Odd that he would up sticks and leave his family then start a new life with a new wife & kids in another country soon after
Nevertheless, a bur records that a Dr Arthur Haines was b in Walberton, England - very specific, shame the date is 3 ears out. Of course it's just poss that his new wife didn't when he was b - he might have mentioned 1871 closer to her b date of 1875
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Tree with photographs of all 4 children in second family, so must have known or know of them. Suggests your Arthur Haines was the same person.
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/family-tree/person/tree/106563044/person/160052897570/facts
Has 1st wife death England 1951 under her maiden name.
Cas