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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Northumberland => Topic started by: rutht22000 on Sunday 18 February 24 16:01 GMT (UK)
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Lily Speed was born in 1897 in Newcastle, daughter of Walter and Mary Jane (nee Scotter)
She is with her parents and siblings in 1901 at 83 Holly Avenue in Jesmond and then in 1911 at 95 Cambridge Avenue, Whitley Bay.
But then I can't find her marrying, dying or anything...
If anyone can offer up anything I would be grateful :)
Thank you
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No guarantees, but I would be looking to investigate a marriage relatively close to home. A marriage 26 January 1929 in South Shields to David W. Batey at a non Anglican venue might be worth investigating.
Date found on South Shields bmdsite:
https://www.southtyneside.gov.uk/article/3044/Search-historical-births-deaths-and-marriages-records
Perhaps you might be able to look for a newspaper report or notice which might link her to the family?
I see her parents and brothers are showing on Find a Grave in the Whitley Bay area.
This may not be her but I would try to rule in or out first because of relatively close location to Whitley Bay.
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Births Dec 1898
BATEY David William Gateshead 10a 935
Death
David William Batey 79 Birth Date 8 Oct 1898
Registration Date Sept qtr 1978 Durham Northern Volume 1 Page 1208
No Batey/Speed births found
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You could try contacting the South Shields office by email and ask a direct question - ask if the have marriage cert of Lily Speed 1929 .. Father Walter Speed.
They may either say yes or that the Father is not a person of that name and in which case you can rule this one out.
By the way, do you know iif the family were of a particular religious denomination? The 1929 Lily may have either married at non Anglican Church or registry office.
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/225366887/walter_speed
Added: Actually, I see that family grave at Whitly Bay is in Section C which is a consecrated section - so they may have been Cof E.
https://one-name.org/marriage-locator/
I see from marriage locator that her parents married at a registry office in Newcastle in 1895.
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Today, River Tyne Lass said By the way, do you know if the family were of a particular religious denomination? --- baptism of Lily on the 29th July 1897 took place at the Bainbridge Memorial Wesleyan, Heaton, Newcastle. The family were living at 34 Chillingham Rd. Heaton.
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Looking at that 1929 marriage in South Shields:
Lily and David W. Batey can be found on the 1939 register. Lily's birth date is given there as 1901.
There is the death of a Lily Batey in Durham North RD in 1984, birth date 17th January 1901.
So I think she is quite likely the Lily Speed born in Lanchester RD in the 1st quarter of 1901, not the one born in 1897.
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Today, River Tyne Lass said A marriage 26 January 1929 in South Shields to David W. -- the 1939 Register shows David W Batey, born 8/10/1898, along with his wife Lily, born 17/01/1901, living at 51 Rothbury Gardens, Gateshead -- so not the Lily Speed that the OP is looking for.
I see that JenB beat me to it!
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Okay this one can be ruled out.
I could perhaps see if there might be any clues in the Whitley Seaside Chronicle next time I can get to North Shields local studies.
By the way I can't see full article but there seems to be a mention of a Harry Alcroft eldest Grandson of a Walter Speed, 1st class radio Officer, mentioned in despatches May 1942- online on BNA. (Newcastle Evening Chronicle) Any connection to Lily, I wonder?
Harry Alcraft birth June quarter 1920 Mother's maiden name Speed
..There does seem to have been a marriage but his Mother may have been a Minnie Speed so can rule this out too.
I'll check the Whitley paper for clues when I next can.
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Harry Alcraft, born in 1920, was the son of Lily's sister Minnie who married Harry Alcraft (senior) in 1920.
Edit: sorry RTL, I see you’ve edited your post to include this ;)
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No, it's my fault for editing as I go, Jen. ;)
I'll look in the Whitley Seaside Chronicle when I next can. There might be a clue in there, who knows. This paper is not online.
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I will attach an excerpt re family I have found for James Cecil's funeral. Nothing I can see published for other brother.
Can anyone spot anything likely for Lily among mourners?
Sorry about quality it is part faded and on the fold of the page.
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Full article from WSC 22 May 1936
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Possibly a red herring, but worth mentioning, that there is a 23 year old Lily Speed showing on the 1921 Scotland Census, in Cadder district, Lanarkshire.
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Possibly a red herring, but worth mentioning, that there is a 23 year old Lily Speed showing on the 1921 Scotland Census, in Cadder district, Lanarkshire.
Just done a search on ScotlandsPeople for a Lily Speed and the only birth that I can find is in 1905, Lily Knox Speed (MMN Henderson) -- AUCHTERDERRAN district.
Could be worth a look at the actual 1921 Census if anyone has access to ScotlandsPeople.
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Looks like her. She was born in Newcastle upon Tyne.
Good find, Jennifer :)
Ruth - if you PM me an e-mail address, I can send you a copy of the full entry
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Excellent work JenB and Gadget :)
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Thanks, Allan. It was all Jennifer's work. I'd been looking for her in shipping lists!
She was shown as a visitor but first entry on the sheet so I had to go to the previous page to find who she was visiting.
She was staying with a Murray family. The wife, Edith, was born in Amble amd a son, John, was born in Wallsend
Gadget
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Hi Gadget -- likewise, I too was looking at passenger lists as well as searching newspapers.
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A quick search of marriages in SP doesn't list her.
PS - Luckily it was SP in the 1921 and not F M P
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Good finds in Scotland Jen and Gadget. :)
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Very well done to both of you 👏👏
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Nothing after 1921 so far.
I've been trying to find a link to the Murrays but none so far ~
Donald C L Murray m Edith McCann, Chorlton, Q4 1911, Vol 8C page 1531
Their son, John L Murray, registered Q1, 1913, Tynemouth, !0B page 281
Edith with her family in Elswick in 1901 - RG13/4768/112/10
Gadget
Add - we lived not far from Holly Avenue when we first moved to N/C in 1968 :)
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I've just found this baptism record
Heaton Bainbridge Memorial Chapel (Wesleyan)
29 July 1897 Lily Speed born 7 July 1897
Father - Walter Mother - Mary Jane
Residence - 34 Chillingham Road, Heaton
Nothing jumps off the page with those details (wriggle room) for Lily (no surname) on the 1939
Gadget
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Just throwing a wild stab in and there may be no link at all but on freebmd there is a death for a Lily Lennox in 1972 Cleveland - date of birth recorded as 7 July 1897
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Only Lily - Lennoox marriage that I can see so far is
Q 2 1938 Lilly Hugill to George W Lennox, Middlesbrough.
1939 has this Lily as born 2 March 1908.
Nothing in Scotland.
Could it be a second marriage ??
Gadget
No Lennox births with MMN as Speed so far :-\
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It would appear we have lost Ruth too .. ::)
I must say I feel it is a bit disappointing that despite being on here a few times (last time yesterday) since we all started chasing around on this, there has been no further response from Ruth on this thread since her first post. :-\
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RTL - mmm
Ruth was on yesterday but has not contacted me for the Scottish info.
Gadget
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Whilst we all like a challenge it is only courtesy for the OP to acknowledge the findings, especially the definitive answers from JenB and Gadget. :(
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Thank you everybody
I would assure you that it is not deliberate that I haven't acknowledged any messages despite being able to log in since the thread started as I have had multiple other things taking up my time until I can have a proper read through what you have all kindly found.
Nevertheless thank you for finding Lily up in Scotland Jennifer. I hadn't thought of looking there as passenger lists were on my mind too as she had cousins out in Australia.
Gadget - no don't worry about 1921. I have some spare credits on SP that have been sitting there doing nothing for a while so I can use them up.
:)