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Title: John Marriott c1827 Kensington
Post by: nannyj on Sunday 25 February 24 15:02 GMT (UK)
I have John married to Charlotte Boyd in 1851 at Leyton. She is also visiting him on the 1851 census in Bromley, St Leonard.
I have their eight children born between 1852 and 1876.

I know that Charlotte's parents are William and Hannah. She was born in 1831 in Low Leyton, Essex.

I'm not looking for her ancestors as I've done this on another thread: https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=880638.0

However. any help going backwards from John would be appreciated.
Title: Re: John Marriott c1827 Kensington
Post by: CaroleW on Sunday 25 February 24 15:13 GMT (UK)
What's his fathers name & occupation on the 1851 marriage cert?
Title: Re: John Marriott c1827 Kensington
Post by: CaroleW on Sunday 25 February 24 15:18 GMT (UK)
The only 1841 entry in that rough locality was aged 15 & father was William occ Smith
Title: Re: John Marriott c1827 Kensington
Post by: nannyj on Sunday 25 February 24 15:24 GMT (UK)
What's his fathers name & occupation on the 1851 marriage cert?

Hi. I haven't got the cert. Doing the tree for a friend, so don't really want to spend out on it 🥺
Title: Re: John Marriott c1827 Kensington
Post by: Kay99 on Sunday 25 February 24 15:24 GMT (UK)
Looks like John married as Jonathan

Marriages Sep 1851   
Boyd    Charlotte        W Ham    12   402   
Marriott    Jonathan         W Ham    12   402   
Title: Re: John Marriott c1827 Kensington
Post by: nannyj on Sunday 25 February 24 15:26 GMT (UK)
Having enlarged this image without going onto the Essex records site (used to have a sub for years but stopped it) it looks like his father is Jonathan ... It says that her father is deceased (he died in 1832) and possibly that his father is too?

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/discoveryui-content/view/93295663:61700?ssrc=pt&tid=190551776&pid=102549424347
Title: Re: John Marriott c1827 Kensington
Post by: CaroleW on Sunday 25 February 24 15:29 GMT (UK)
Baptism 7.10.1827 St John Hampstead  - Jonathan Marriott father Robert mother Mary Ann

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/discoveryui-content/view/1166623:1558

Title: Re: John Marriott c1827 Kensington
Post by: nannyj on Sunday 25 February 24 15:35 GMT (UK)
Hi there. I did see that one ... But he consistently says on censuses that he was born in Kensington and wondered if Hampstead was too far away? Also, I'm fairly sure (she says while squinting at the enlarged, fuzzy image 🤪) that he gives his father's name as Jonathan? 🤔
Title: Re: John Marriott c1827 Kensington
Post by: CaroleW on Sunday 25 February 24 15:36 GMT (UK)
Yes - looking at it I would say it was Jonathan too
Title: Re: John Marriott c1827 Kensington
Post by: CaroleW on Sunday 25 February 24 15:46 GMT (UK)
Did Charlotte die in June qtr 1883 & Jonathan remarry in Dec 1883 to Annie Tyler?  If so - father is shown as John
Title: Re: John Marriott c1827 Kensington
Post by: nannyj on Sunday 25 February 24 15:50 GMT (UK)
Yes to Charlotte dying and I think yes to Ann Tyler, who was a widow, maiden name Hurt.
Title: Re: John Marriott c1827 Kensington
Post by: nannyj on Sunday 25 February 24 15:50 GMT (UK)
I wasn't completely sure about that marriage, although I think it fits with censuses etc.
Title: Re: John Marriott c1827 Kensington
Post by: CaroleW on Sunday 25 February 24 15:52 GMT (UK)
Definitely him on the 1891 with wife Anne
Title: Re: John Marriott c1827 Kensington
Post by: softly softly on Sunday 25 February 24 16:30 GMT (UK)
Possible rabbit hole. An Ann Merriott of full age married John Davis Kenney 1st August 1852. Her father recorded as John Marriott occ- Painter. One of the witnesses was a Charlotte Marriott-possible sister in law?


1851 census ref--possibly Ann (born Kensington) with a sister Mary A Thorne (born Kensington)

Piece   1497
Folio   474
Page number   2

THORNE, WILLIAM  CHARLES     MARRIOTT 
GRO Reference: 1850  S Quarter in SAINT PANCRAS  Volume 01  Page 285

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Title: Re: John Marriott c1827 Kensington
Post by: nannyj on Sunday 25 February 24 16:50 GMT (UK)
Ooh interesting ... Will check that out 🤔
Title: Re: John Marriott c1827 Kensington
Post by: softly softly on Sunday 25 February 24 18:16 GMT (UK)
Nothing's ever simple is it? Cannot find a GRO ref for this marriage to try and establish father's names.

Name   Charles Thorne (Widower)
Gender   Male
Record Type   Marriage Banns (Marriage Bann)
Marriage Banns Date   1846
Marriage Banns Place   Saint Mary At Lambeth: Lambeth Road, Lambeth, England
Spouse   
Mary Ann Marriett (Spinster)
Register Type   Parish Register

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Name   Charles Thorne
Gender   Male
Marriage Date   4 Oct 1846
Marriage Place   St. Mary, Lambeth, Surrey, England
Spouse   
Mary Ann Marriett
FHL Film Number   1041667
Reference ID   157-620

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Title: Re: John Marriott c1827 Kensington
Post by: Mabel Bagshawe on Sunday 25 February 24 20:52 GMT (UK)
4 October 1846 is the banns date rather than the marriage. It's worth noting that other entries for banns have a cross beside them and a further date at the end, presumably signifying when they actually married (and I can match them in the marriage register). No such info for Charles & Mary Ann. so either they didn;t marry, or they did it elsewhere, despite the page noting all persons registered were of this parish.