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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Cumberland => England => Cumberland Lookup Requests => Topic started by: TwiggyTree on Friday 15 March 24 01:27 GMT (UK)
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Hi folks
I found Richard in the England Wales Civil Register of Marriages 1837-1915.
Wigton, 10b, 679, 1st quarter, 1884
There are 3 women that appear on that register page. One I have eliminated as the incorrect first name.
That leaves 2, that may or may not be the same person:
STEEL Mary or STEELE Mary.
I would like to confirm which is the correct surname spelling and if possible when she was born, and who her parents are please.
I have looked on Find My Past (Banns, England, 1884 | Cumberland Marriages, 1884), Ancestry, and British Newspaper Archive but nothing other than that Civil registration appears to show up and one article that suggests he was from Aspatria.
I am wondering if there are offline resources someone may have that would solve this 10-month mystery.
Thank you.
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I have looked on Find My Past (Banns, England, 1884 | Cumberland Marriages, 1884), Ancestry, and British Newspaper Archive but nothing other than that Civil registration appears to show up and one article that suggests he was from Aspatria.
Richard Fearnon JACKSON baptism 10 June 1860 at Aspatria, Cumberland. Parents - James and Rebecca.
His birth registration - Cockermouth (10b/495) Jun qtr 1860, mother's maiden name BROWN.
If you purchase the marriage certificate it should show Mary's father's name and occupation.
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When looking at the FreeBMD entry for the marriage of Richard Fearon JACKSON, I would suggest that Mary STEEL/E are the same person. There is obviously a missing male spouse in the entry - using the Page Entries search:
https://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/PageEntries.pl
you can see there is one entry which has only 3 names - 10b/669. This suggests the extra spouse is entered under the incorrect page number (679 instead of 669 ?). On page 669 Hannah RICHARSON married Joseph PEARS 13 March 1884 at Caldbeck. I was hoping Jane BROWN (on page 679 on the index) married William LATTIN (on page 669 on the index), but actually he married Margaret STRONG 1 March 1884 at Caldbeck. (Margaret STRONG appears to be mistakenly entered under Wigan 8c/669) So still not sure who Jane BROWN (on page 679) married. Possibly Henry Sewell GRAHAM - he seems to be an odd entry in Mar qtr 1884 too. :-\
Hope this makes sense. There is a guide on FreeBMD for finding a missing spouse:
https://www.freebmd.org.uk/marriage-help.html
But in any case, I still think Mary STEEL/E is the same person.
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Thanks for that maddys52.
I figured that 1 male to 3 females wasn't correct but didn't know how to see what might be on other pages. Have bookmarked those 2 links.
Am holding off on the certificate for now, as the research is for someone else, but may need to get it to put me out of my misery - these folks are the last in a family tree to be identified. ::)
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There's a couple of Jackson births with mmn Steele in Ulverston and Whitehaven districts. Can't find them later - but I see Richard may have emigrated to New Zealand?
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I understand not wanting to necessarily pay the $$. :)
Mary JACKSON's death certificate should also have information about her father and mother. She died on 20 September 1930, in her 73rd year, so born c1858.
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/PBH19300922.2.43
This year of birth also fits with a passenger list for the family in 1913 on the Omrah travelling from Brisbane to London, which has her age as 55.
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There's a couple of Jackson births with mmn Steele in Ulverston and Whitehaven districts. Can't find them later - but I see Richard may have emigrated to New Zealand?
Yes, they emigrated to NZ, children born in NZ 1888 (Eveline Ann Rebecca) and 1891 (Hilda Lariena, though on the passenger list she is Ada Mary?) Also a son 1896 (Richard Fearon)
A nice obituary:
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/GISH19450912.2.97
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Mary had a gold watch and chain. Left to grandaughter, also Mary
https://ndhadeliver.natlib.govt.nz/delivery/DeliveryManagerServlet?dps_pid=IE56026755
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maddys52
Interesting about the ship's passage. Perhaps this is a subsequent one, as I had them emigrating:
11 May 1884, on the Aorangi, London, England to Canterbury, New Zealand as part of the Assisted Immigrant Scheme.
Mabel
Thanks for that tip off. I will look for those births as an aside.
maddys52
Hmmm....not sure what to make of the Hilda Lariena vs Ada Mary.
I had a note from a military file that Mary may have been born in Keswick.
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maddys52
Interesting about the ship's passage. Perhaps this is a subsequent one, as I had them emigrating:
11 May 1884, on the Aorangi, London, England to Canterbury, New Zealand as part of the Assisted Immigrant Scheme.
Yes, this is a subsequent trip back to the UK. Interestingly I can only see Richard, Mary and Ada on the return voyage in 1913 on the Orsova. Maybe Evelyn stayed a bit longer.
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I see on Frederick Adolph HANSEN's army record he says he married Evelyn Ann Rebecca JACKSON on 6 May (might be August?, either a "5" or an "8") 1913 in Cumberland, England. (Can't see the marriage on FreeBMD)
Modified to add:
Not sure why, I can't see the marriage on FreeBMD, but Ancestry have it indexed:
Frederick A HANSON and Evelyn A R JACKSON Wigton Sept qtr 1913 (10b/1123)
Oh, found it now ... senior moment. ;D
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maddys52
Interesting about the ship's passage. Perhaps this is a subsequent one, as I had them emigrating:
11 May 1884, on the Aorangi, London, England to Canterbury, New Zealand as part of the Assisted Immigrant Scheme.
Mabel
Thanks for that tip off. I will look for those births as an aside.
I'm getting more dubious, especially if your 1884 emigration date is correct, as they post date that.
The Ulverston ones look to be the children of William Wilson Jackson and Mary Jane Steele, whose marriage is registered in Ulverston in 1885, given one son is also William Wilson
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Children are named in the Will I posted earlier. I am sure Twiggy has already
Ada Mary HOLSCHIER
Evelyn Anne Rebecca HANSEN
Richard Fearon junior
Have you got Mary’s death cert?
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Yes, this is a subsequent trip back to the UK. Interestingly I can only see Richard, Mary and Ada on the return voyage in 1913 on the Orsova. Maybe Evelyn stayed a bit longer.
I should have checked the passenger list a little more carefully. The entries immediately previous to the JACKSON family (on the previous page) on the return voyage on the Orsova are Frederick and Evelyn HANSEN.
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Hmmm....not sure what to make of the Hilda Lariena vs Ada Mary.
Actually, checking the NZ BDM I see that Hilda Lavinia JACKSON died 1891 aged 9 months. Strange that I can't see Ada Mary JACKSON's birth registration.
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maddys52
Thanks for that further confirmation about the passenger list. I will need to wait until I can get to a library to see that but it totally makes sense.
And thanks for that marriage for Effie and Fred.
Will look for Fred's WW1 file.
Ada's birth date is on her death registration at least.
mckha489
Yes I do have the will, thank you.
No I don't have the death certificate, or the marriage certificate yet.
Mabel
Noted. Thanks for the cross-checking.
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Getting back to your original question about Mary STEELE, we know that she married in the Wigton Registration District in 1884 and subsequent references have her year of birth c1858. If she was in the area in 1881 there are a few possibilities, though the marriage or death certificate would help to determine if any of these were correct.
I think a likely possibility is Mary STEEL (22) born Torpenhow daughter of Ann STEEL (51, wid) farmer of 90 acres at Threapland (some 8 miles from Wigton, 4 miles from Aspatria). Bothel and Threapland is within the Wigton Registration District.
RG11/5179/61 pg 15
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2WM-VZ78
1871:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VRM9-QTP
1861:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7G7-KCD
Her birth registration - Jun qtr 1858 Cockermouth (10b/461) mmn MARTIN. So daughter of George STEEL and Ann MARTIN who married Mar qtr 1850 Cockermouth (25/73).
I can't see her in 1891, although it is difficult with a common name.
As mentioned, the marriage certificate would be needed to confirm.
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I do think those parents are likely, maddys52, as the father's name is given to the oldest son, albeit a common name!!
Thank you very much.
I did start looking at how to order certificates from the GRO https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/faq.asp
but got a bit lost with the choices. Does ordering online, with the reference, and requesting "Online digital image view" mean that you get sent a link wherefrom you can download it yourself in PDF? And that is the cheapest option at only £2.50? If so that is easier and cheaper than I thought it might be. ;)
I will have a look and re-read this thread, and perhaps take the plunge. There is a first time for everything!
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I do think those parents are likely, maddys52, as the father's name is given to the oldest son, albeit a common name!!
Thank you very much.
I did start looking at how to order certificates from the GRO https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/faq.asp
but got a bit lost with the choices. Does ordering online, with the reference, and requesting "Online digital image view" mean that you get sent a link wherefrom you can download it yourself in PDF? And that is the cheapest option at only £2.50? If so that is easier and cheaper than I thought it might be. ;)
I will have a look and re-read this thread, and perhaps take the plunge. There is a first time for everything!
Yes, digital image for £2.50 is immediate with a link.
Adding to say…you select the “button” next to the event you want to order, and then the options for cert, pdf or digital come up for you to choose accordingly.
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Unfortunately I think the £2.50 digital images are only for birth and death certificates. Marriages aren't yet included in this offer.
I'm not sure how much NZ death certificates are, that may be a cheaper option, though a death certificate is only as accurate as the informant knew - the marriage cert info is given by the couple themselves.