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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lancashire => Topic started by: clare sharp 14 on Saturday 16 March 24 22:10 GMT (UK)
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hi can anyone help with anything please. arthur beaver wright married elizabeth ann carr in 1931. her madian name is young and b around 1874. when she dies in 1957 says daughter registered death but i cannot read her name. also cannot find a daughters birth or elizabeths first marriage. also cannot find arthur beaver wrights first marriage says in 1901 he was single but in 1911 he was a widower, if anyone has any pointers i have their marriage cert ordered just waiting it to arrive.thank you
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Ancestry Probate Calendar
https://www.ancestry.com.au/discoveryui-content/view/14998513:1904?
.....Elizabeth Ann WRIGHT 8 Aldwych Avenue Manchester widow .....to Mary ENNIS married woman
https://www.ancestry.com.au/discoveryui-content/view/73241265:1904?
....Mary ENNIS 8 Aldwych Avenue died 15 Jan 1968
FreeBDM death Manchester Vol 10E page 261 MarQ 1968
ENNIS Mary age 67
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The Ennis marriage was a subsequent one
Marriages Mar 1955 (>99%)
ENNIS Christopher HALL Manchester 10e 415
HALL Mary ENNIS Manchester 10e 415
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Have you got the correct Elizabeth?
Because I think this could be the previous Hall marriage
June qtr 1922
HALL Ernest Peacock Barton I... 8c 1301
PEACOCK Mary Hall Barton I 8c 1301
Modified - Mary Peacock was an adopted daughter.
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Previous marriage for Elizabeth was to a Benjamin Carr
(From 1911 census)
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X7RT-78H
In view of the fact Elizabeth lived with Arthur for at least 10 years before she married him, I wonder if her first marriage is 1901 Dec qtr, Scarborough. (Even though recorded with Benjamin as wife in 1901)
A death for a Benjamin Carr that might work.
Carr Benjamin 53 York 9d 50 March qtr 1914
In view of their location 1901 & 1911
And from 1921
I think this is Mary’s birth reg, no mothers maiden name
PEACOCK, MARY -
GRO Reference: 1900 M Quarter in HELMSLEY Volume 09D Page 472
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thank you, still looking for arthurs first marriage .
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WRIGHT, ARTHUR BEAVER mother's maiden name FITZJOHN
GRO Reference: 1862 September Quarter in STAMFORD
Volume 07A Page 270 Occasional Copy: A
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Daughter is crossed out on the death certificate. What does the correction (17) say at the side?
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thank you, still looking for arthurs first marriage .
Is it the same Arthur Wright in 1901 and 1911?
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Daughter is crossed out on the death certificate. What does the correction (17) say at the side?
It's a simple numbered correction - the registrar just wrote daughter before the informant had signed the entry, so crossed it through. The marginal note will say "seventeen" and be initialled by the registrar.
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yes same arthur
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I might have the wrong Arthur here. This is from a tree.
Did he go from a Draper’s assistant for over twenty years to a Ganger on the railway?
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I thought perhaps Arthur is single in 1911
A farm labourer age 49
Born Stamford, Lincolnshire
Modified to add
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X7Y6-H1Z
The image clearly shows Arthur born Stamford
Benjamin Carr dies 1914 (perhaps) and by 1921 Arthur & Elizabeth are together saying they are married
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The tree I mentioned has Arthur in Shoreditch as a Draper’s assistant from 1881.
However 1891 668/49
Arthur Wright 26 yrs b Stamford is living with Thomas and Henrietta Harpum in Aylesford, Kent as brother in law to Thomas.
Henrietta Fitzjohn b 1847, Stamford
Harriet Fitzjohn married Thomas Wright in 1849
As mentioned previously, Arthur Beaver Wright mmn Fitzjohn
Added - just to note
1881 - Arthur is with his parents, Thomas and Harriet
I can’t see him though in 1901
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yes arthur did go back to sister and his parents, in 1901 he was in Shoreditch says hes single. in 1911 in Bawtry yorkshire as a windower. i have just got his marriage cert to elizabeth carr in 1931 and confirms he is a widower so definatley seeking a first marriage
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It’s odd that I can’t see records in the published tree now but it seems unusual that a draper’s assistant would become a Ganger as I wrote previously.
Is this the 1901 record you have?
1901 272 /29;50
Arthur Wright, 41 yrs Draper’s Assistant, b Stamford, Lincs
Working at Dawsons, Shoreditch
I would think that Arthur is this person:
1891 248/36
Pitfield, Shoreditch
Arthur Wright, 27 yrs, Draper’s Assistant, b Stamford, Rutlandshire
He is living with several other assistants
and
1881 521/58/13
High Street, Southwark
Arthur Wright, 18 years, Draper's Assistant, b Stamford, Lincs
Living with several others
The one mckha489 found seems more likely
The 1911 person may well be him of course. What was his occupation in 1921 ?
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What was his occupation in 1921 ?
Builder’s foreman
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:) Thank you
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yes arthur did go back to sister and his parents, in 1901 he was in Shoreditch says hes single. in 1911 in Bawtry yorkshire as a windower. i have just got his marriage cert to elizabeth carr in 1931 and confirms he is a widower so definatley seeking a first marriage
What do you think re the Shoreditch person?
I see the tree I was referencing has been altered - is that your tree Clare?
It is difficult, as the Shoreditch man seems to be the only one in 1901 which hinders your search for any other candidates.
There is a newspaper entry dated 24th March 1900 - Newark
It mentions Arthur Wright of … a ganger.
I cannot access it so not sure if that is correct.
Also, there are many Arthur Wrights.
It us just ‘ganger’ and your find in 1911 that connects.
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Arthur Wright of Retford
Platelayer for Great Northern railway
Assault on a police officer.
21 days prison
He asked for a fine instead “I am a married man”
But that was declined
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Arthur Wright of Retford
Platelayer for Great Northern railway
Assault on a police officer.
21 days prison
He asked for a fine instead “I am a married man”
But that was declined
Thanks again.
Is that 24th March 1900 - I can see it is similar but does it mention ganger?
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Sorry! Yes it is that piece.
And it does say ganger, after having said Platelayer.
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I think there is a railway employee in 1901, Retford - Arthur Wright married to Mabel. So unlikely. That’s sad!
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I think there is a railway employee in 1901, Retford - Arthur Wright married to Mabel. So unlikely. That’s sad!
And younger, and not born Stamford. :'(
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How do we know he was a Ganger? Oh I see. The 1911 census in Bawtry.
What was his occupation on the marriage?
1881 with Parents Thomas & Harriet. Ag Lab
1891 with sister General Labourer
1901?
1911 either Ganger (widower) or a Farm labourer (but single)
1921 builders foreman with Elizabeth married (but they didn’t marry until 1931)
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Yes not sure re 1911 but Clare seems sure of that entry.
If he was widowed in 1931 on his marriage, that means he could have married anytime between 1891 and before 1921 when someone has them cohabiting I think.
If he is the single man in 1911 then that shortens the time.
As Elizabeth ‘s husband was deceased, you would wonder why they didn’t marry for at least ten years - maybe Arthur was still married for part /all of the time.
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As Elizabeth ‘s husband was deceased, you would wonder why they didn’t marry for at least ten years - maybe Arthur was still married for part /all of the time.
Yes. That’s my thought. On the other hand, if Elizabeth’s marriage to Benjamin Carr is the one in the December quarter of 1901, she clearly isn’t too worried about co-habiting, as she is with Benjamin at the 1901 census.
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I wonder if you have any more thoughts, Clare?
Every now and then I have a search around 1901 but with no success.
I just had a thought re the Boer War which is often the reason people cannot be found in 1901.
I see some Arthur Wrights in the indexes but no other clues and the records, if accessed, may not help.
However, it is a possible reason for his absence.