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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Topic started by: milto1384 on Monday 18 March 24 16:34 GMT (UK)
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Hi folks,
I was hoping someone might be able to help me. I've traced ancestors from Canada back to Scotland, but I'm struggling to find Scottish records for them.
In a Canadian 1901 census I've found James Miller (born 16 May 1852, Scotland). It says he arrived in Canada in 1872.
He married Julia McMillan on 9th Oct 1880 in Toronto, but I've found her on the 1861 Canadian census aged 1 and her father Robert McMillan, 29, Coachman was born in Scotland and his wife aged 27 was also born in Scotland.
Any information on either of these sides would be fantastic if anyone is able to help!
Regards,
Alan
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Canadian thread
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=881246.0
reply 9 included:-
Possible ??
1861 Scotland Census - Balnatink. Caithness.
John Miller 42 Isabella P Miller 42
Janet Miller 14 James Miller 9
George Miller 7 Margaret Miller 5
John Miller 2
Sandra
https://www.geni.com/people/James-Miller/6000000112217070945
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Possible for brother William Miller, witness on 1880 marriage of James Miller
Parents James and Isabella.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XYD6-TTB
Sandra
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The best place to look for records of these folk before they emigrated is www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk.
According to the marriage record, both James Miller and Julia Maria Margaret McMillan were born in Toronto. His parents were John Miller and Isabel, and Julia's were Robert McMillan and Anna.
I see in the 1881 census in Toronto a family consisting of Robert McMillan, 48; Annie McMillan, 43; and John, 22; Robert, 18; Charles, 16; Thomas, 11; James, 9; Agnes, 7; and Alexander, 4.
There are index listings at FamilySearch of the deaths of two sons of Robert McMillan and Ann Roy; Charles, born 14 February 1865, d 1936, and Alexander, born 30 January 1877, d 1956, who would match the ages in the 1881 census. So I think it is likely that Julia's mother's name is Ann or Anna Roy.
Robert McMillan and Ann Roy were married in the parish of Anstruther Wester, county of Fife, Scotland, in 1857. You can view their marriage certificate online at Scotland's People for a modest fee. It will tell you the names of their parents including their mothers' maiden surnames.
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Obit/Death Notice for Robert McMillan
The Province
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Mon, 22 Aug 1910
Page 8
https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-province/143621220/
Event Type: Death Registration Number:1910-09-12
1910-08-20 Event Place: VANCOUVER - Age at Death:83
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01t2e/
Annie Roy McMillan - 18/2/1910
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01t2f/
Sandra
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marriage Ann Roy and Robert McMillan - Anstruther Wester, Fife, Scotland - 1857
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XTGY-WZ3
Ann Roy - McMillan Robert - 1857 - 403 / 1 - Anstruther Werster -
1871 Canadian Census St Georges Ward, Toronto West, Ontario.
Robt Mc Millan 37 Labourer.
Ann Mc Millan 35
John Mc Millan 12 Julia Mc Millan 11
Robert J Mc Millan 8 Charles Mc Millan 6
Jane Mc Millan 4 Thomas Mc Millan 2
James Mc Millan 0
Sandra
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marriage Ann Roy and Robert McMillan - Anstruther Wester, Fife, Scotland - 1857
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XTGY-WZ3
Sandra
Indeed, but the original document will provide useful information that isn't contained in familysearch, where there is only an index.
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Interesting family tree on ancestry if you have access. Obviously info would need checked out.
A link here if you subscribe.
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/family-tree/person/tree/79490851/person/172363313205/facts?_phsrc=Srt27&_phstart=successSource
parents of Robert McMillan listed as James McMillan 1801–1854
born abt 1801 - Dumfriesshire, Scotland died 8 August 1854 - Pittston, Luzerne, Pennsylvania.
and Mary Law 1801–1874 (note the death date differs from the information on the geneanet Community Tree - 1851) born abt 1801 - Wanlockhead, Dumfriesshire, Scotland died 8174 Scotland ??
FIND A GRAVE
1798 - 1854
West Pittston Cemetery
West Pittston, Luzerne County, Pennsylvania.
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/28317033/james-mcmillan
Geneanet Community Trees Index - shows another generation back.
https://gw.geneanet.org/raydick?n=mcmillan&oc=4&p=james
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1851 Wanlockhead, Dumfries.
James Mcmillan 52 Head
Mary Mcmillan 56 Wife
Agnes Mcmillan 28 Daughter
Charles Mcmillan 21 Son
Robert Mcmillan 16 Son
James Mcmillan 14 Son
I came across an obit for Robert's sister Agnes McMillan who had married in 1851 to Howatson
Pittston Gazette
Pittston, Pennsylvania
Wed, 31 Aug 1910
Page 1
https://www.newspapers.com/article/pittston-gazette-agnes-mcmillan-howatson/5979992/
Sandra
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parents of Robert McMillan listed as James McMillan 1801–1854
born abt 1801 - Dumfriesshire, Scotland died 8 August 1854 - Pittston, Luzerne, Pennsylvania.
and Mary Law 1801–1874 (note the death date differs from the information on the geneanet Community Tree - 1851) born abt 1801 - Wanlockhead, Dumfriesshire, Scotland died 8174 Scotland
Well, they are all wrong. ********* Ancestry peddling dud information again.
I found a few credits and viewed the 1857 marriage certificate, which says that Robert McMillan's parents were John McMillan, gamekeeper, and Margaret Laing.
John McMillan and Margaret Laing had seven recorded children between 1827 and 1849, anll baptised in Dunscore, Dumfries-shire. In 1851 they are all in Riddingshill Cottage, Irongray, Dumfries-shire.
Margaret McMillan, other surname Laing, died in Lochmaben, Dumfries-shire, in 1875, aged 69. There is also a death of John McMillan, 76, in Lochmaben in 1881, mother's maiden surname Johnstone, who may or may not be her husband.
There's only one recorded baptism of a child to Archibald Roy and Margaret Ross, a son Alexander baptised in Rosemarkie, Ross-shire in 1818. However there is a family in Nairn in 1841 and 1851 with Archibald Roy, mason, and wife Margaret, with a large number of children including 10-year-old Ann in 1841. Margaret Roy, other surname Ross, mother's maiden surname Boyne, died in Nairn in 1881 aged 75. Archibald Roy, mother's maiden name Falconer, died in Nairn in 1877 aged 84.
I could of course be wrong. Never trust anything you find online including anything I might say, unless it's an image of an original document - and even then be wary because mistakes can and do occur.
You need to go to www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk, invest in a few credits, and use them to look at those death certificates.
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A few snippets of newspaper clips..... (British Newspapers Archives - free to register and 3 pages free to view.
The Courier and Argus
Dundee, Tayside, Scotland
Wed, 13 May 1857
Page 3
https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-courier-and-argus/143670233/
Dumfries and Galloway Standard
Dumfries, Dumfries and Galloway, Scotland
Wed, 20 May 1857
Page 4
https://www.newspapers.com/article/dumfries-and-galloway-standard/143670277/
British Newspaper Archives have a few entries
https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/search/results/1857-01-01/1857-12-31?basicsearch=ann%20roy&somesearch=ann%20roy&retrievecountrycounts=false
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QLS4-V93Q
Father of Ann Roy - Archibald Roy passed October 1877 - 12 Caledonian Street. Nairn.
Scotlands People :-
Archibald Roy - aged 84 years - MMN Falconer - died 1877 - 123/75 Nairn
British Newspaper Archives newspaper article - Wednesday 24 October 1877
Newspaper - Nairnshire Telegraph and General Advertiser for the Northern Counties.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01t2g/
FIND GRAVE
Nairn Cemetery Nairn, Highland.
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/173675617/archibald-roy
spouse Margaret Ross Roy - 1806 - 1881
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/173675668/margaret_roy
two daughters listed on the headstone.
Catherine Roy 1831 - 1881
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/173677302/catherine_roy
Margaret Roy 1834 - 1878
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/173675795/margaret_roy
Scotlands People
Margaret Roy - aged 75 years - mmn Boyne - died 1881 - 123/67 Nairn.
1871 Census 12 Caledonian St. Nairn.
Archibald Roy 78 Head. Mason.
Margaret Roy 69 Wife
Catherine Roy 40 Daughter. Seamstress.
Margaret Roy 36 Daughter. Seamstress.
Mary Ann Roy 13 Grand-daughter (Granddaughter)
Sandra
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Good work, Sandra! That does seem to clinch it very satisfactorily.
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This is fantastic!! Thank you so much. That gives me so much more to go and investigate!