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General => Armed Forces => World War One => Topic started by: charliewatson on Monday 25 March 24 15:20 GMT (UK)
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I am searching for the grave of Gertrude Mary Giltinan, died 19/11/1918, on behalf of the In From The Cold project.
She was a nurse of the Voluntary Aid Detachment.
Does anybody have any information?
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Find a grave site has Brookwood Woking Surrey but that could just be the memorial as it says
Plot - panel 11 :-\
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Thanks, but that is the Memorial. The names remain on the Memorial until we find the grave. But thanks for your quick reply.
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Her death was registered in the Chorlton Reg. Dist. Lancs.
Dec/1918
Giltinan Gertrude M aged 29
Chorlton
8c/1410
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You need to give more details in your original posts to avoid duplication of information.
In from the cold..............
Nice to put a face to a name, even though its a sad one :'(
https://livesofthefirstworldwar.iwm.org.uk/community/7553/?page=5
https://livesofthefirstworldwar.iwm.org.uk/lifestory/7669896
1918 Location puts her 12 Park View, Victoria Road, Cork Ireland.
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https://florence-nightingale.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/hlf-volunteer-research-leaflet.pdf
Given that the mortuaries were full, and the undertakers could not keep up the pace, she may have been buried in a mass grave??
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Thanks, but this Gertrude Giltinan was aged 89 when she died, so wouldn't have been active in WW1.
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Thanks, but this Gertrude Giltinan was aged 89 when she died, so wouldn't have been active in WW1.
Pardon ?
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I thought you were looking for the nurse who died in active service? Did you look at the correct entry on that leaflet? She was aged 38. Some sites and the photo have her dying in 1919 not 1918 but I think it is the same person.
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Thanks, but this Gertrude Giltinan was aged 89 when she died, so wouldn't have been active in WW1
Her death registration says she was 29 which is the correct age.
I would suggest she was buried in Ireland possibly Cork as that's where here family were.
The link haliared put up has her aged 38 which is also incorrect.
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Ancestry Family Tree -
Gertrude M Giltinan 1881–
BIRTH 9 NOV1881 • 3, Greenmount, terrace, Friars, walk, Cork, Cork, Ireland
DEATH Unknown
Bishopstown Cork Ireland in 1911
Daniel F Giltinan 68
Elizabeth Giltinan60
Mary Giltinan 32
Michael Lewes Giltinan 30
Gertrude Giltinan 29
Norah Giltinan 28
Samuel J Giltinan 26
Teresa Giltinan 27
Francis B Giltinan
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Cork/Bishopstown/Gurteenaspig__part_of__Rural_/402473/
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai001898757/
1901 census Raheen and Cooleen, Blackrock, Cork, Ireland.
Daniel Francis M Giltinan 58
Elizabeth J Giltinan 49
Francis B Giltinan 23
Mary Ceceila Giltinan 22
Michael L Giltinan 20
Nora S Giltinan 18
Daniel J Giltinan 16
Teresa P Giltinan 14
Gertrude M Giltinan 19
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01t2w/
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Cork/Blackrock/Raheen_and_Cooleen/1116437/
Sandra
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https://vad.redcross.org.uk/record?rowKey=84761
Red Cross card for her.
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Might be worth checking if Gertrude is buried in a family plot at this cemetery ?
Brother Francis Giltinan born 1878 - died 22 October 1938
Burial
24Oct1938 St, Finbarrs, Cemetry, Cork, Cork, Ireland.
Death Notice Evening Echo Newspaper 22Oct 1938 Buried in Section E Row 14 Plot 25. St Finbarrs Cemetery
Sandra
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https://www.iwm.org.uk/history/spanish-flu-the-unseen-enemy
"Social and medical services were overwhelmed during the peaks of the virus. Doctors and nurses were scarce due to the war and to the scale of the pandemic. "
"With so many people dying, the bodies of those who had passed away were sometimes stacked on top of one another, in coffins or wrapped in cloth. Wood for coffins ran out, and gravediggers and undertakers could not keep up with demand. The dead were taken to the cemeteries by the lorry load. In some places, mass graves had to be used in order to bury the dead quickly enough."
"In some countries, including the United Kingdom and New Zealand, the peak of the mortality was in November 1918, in the midst of peace celebrations. Mass jubilation and cheering crowds also helped to spread the virus, and death tolls peaked in the days following the celebrations as the virus worked its course."
Does anyone know if there is a list of people buried in mass graves over this time period?
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24Oct1938 St, Finbarrs, Cemetry, Cork, Cork, Ireland.
Just checked the Municipal records for this cemetery but she's not there
although the images are quite difficult to read.
Feel free if anyone wants to take a look:
https://publications.corkarchives.ie/view/173026802/
You need to go the the end around p. 170.
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24Oct1938 St, Finbarrs, Cemetry, Cork, Cork, Ireland.
Just checked the Municipal records for this cemetery but she's not there
although the images are quite difficult to read.
Thanks for checking Jim, long shot really, thought it might be unlikely to travel back with her body at that time :'(
Sandra
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The 2nd. Western Gen. Hosp. was split into smaller sections all over Manchester.
It might be safe to say that all influenza patients were housed together.
Her death cert. will tell you her address at the time & one might assume again
it would be one the annexes.
she might have been buried in that area.
You won't know until you get it.
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I've looked again at the official record and it seems the registration of her death at Chorley erroneously gives her date of birth which seems incorrect.
I am indeed looking for the VAD Nurse of that name, probably born 1889, so about 29 at her death.
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Information given on a death cert. is only as good
as what the informant knows about the deceased.
The death index gives her age as 29 which is correct.
What was her address at the time ?
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I don't have the actual certificate. Someone of the same name had an address of 12, Park View, Victoria Road, Cork on 30/9/1918.
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I think you need her death cert.
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I think you need her death cert.
Yes, agree with that Jim.
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Thanks for your help and interest. I've now located her grave ay St.Finn Barrs Cemetery, Cork
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Thanks for your help and interest. I've now located her grave at St. Finn Barrs Cemetery, Cork.
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Thanks for your help and interest. I've now located her grave at St. Finn Barrs Cemetery, Cork.
So it was the same cemetery as her brother Francis in reply 12. Great she was found.
Sandra
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Strange I can't find her in the burial register but good she's been found.
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She's on page 150 near the bottom. Barely legible.
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You must be looking at a different register she's not on the one I'm looking at.
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Sorry. My handwriting! Should be No.170, not 150.
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Looked at p.170 half a dozen times & still missed it.
I thought I was going mad.
How are you progressing with Arthur?
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You mean Leonard Arthur Herbert?
Spent months and months and still nowhere. The family had some registration connections to the Edmonton district, including a potential marriage for him, so I'm hunting in that area now.
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I did suggest locating his parents on the 1921 census & looking
at cemeteries in that area I don't have access to it.
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Yes you did. I followed that up. Rather strange as no apparent entry for 1921. Mother and family appear in the 1939 Register. Father died in 1932 so should have been in that census.
It's a curious one.
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Not making it easy are they.