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The search for Louisa Elizabeth Maslin born 1821.
Research began in 1946 by an earlier generation. We have every piece of info possible on this woman’s life mainly due to information logged at Chippenham records office in Wiltshire from a solicitor. I have details of all of her life,her inheritances,marriage,children,where she lived and the tragic workhouse/ hospital records of her death.
The one thing which is no where to be found is her birth. On her marriage cert she says her father is George Maslin.
At one point she says she was born in Covent Garden London Middlesex but over all the seventy plus years of searching we can not find her and have no knowledge of her mother.
We do know she had an Aunt Sarah who she was living with in 1835. We also know she had a sister Sarah who was adopted( an informal arrangement in those days) both Louisa and Sarah use the name Evitt and there is some link between the Events and the Fawkes family.
I have recently been looking at French records as I know that Louisa Elizabeth now Perry visited France.
I began to wonder if she might have been born and christened in France. I have found a couple of records relating to Louisa Maslin,of course written in French ! I have managed to very roughly get the gist of it from my school days but am unable to link it to “ my” Louisa Elizabeth Malin ( Evitt).
Can anyone suggest where to look please ? She gives her birth as 1821 but that may be wrong if she was pretending to be older or younger than she really was.
Thank you.
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She appears to have been known under 2 different middle christian names on the freebmd entry. Possibly a mistranscription
Sept qtr 1846
Maslen Louisa Charlotte Devizes 8 515
Maslen Louisa Elizabeth
Perry John Devizes 8 515
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:6D3V-9CK7
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That’s amazing !
John Perry was her husband married in 1846 in Devizes.
Thank you so much it gives another clue.
I have about a hundred files on this extended family, this just might move me forward as I also know that her husbands two illegitimate daughters ,brought back to live with his wife !!!! changed their Christian names so there is a bit of history to this !
Many many thanks.
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Is she the Louisa Perry living in Berkshire in the 1881 and 1891 census? She's a servant in 1881, and a patient in an asylum in 1891.
What birthplaces does she give for the 1851 and 1871 census reports?
I can see husband John Perry in the 1851 census in London. He's a lodger (occupation: "late grocer").
However wife Louisa isn't with him.
Can you elaborate on Louisa using the name Evitt please? When and where does she use the name?
I suppose you know about these papers relating to Sarah Grace. Is she Louisa's aunt?
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/5d03666e-74ab-40f5-8c50-586fc9a417a3
And Sarah's 1851 Will: https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D56719
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same person in this thread
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=878647.0
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Other threads
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=444221.0
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=583291.0
Note Miggs191 has changed user name from Miggs 191 (space between "Miggs" and "191")
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In the 1841 census I note there's a James Maslen (male servant) residing with William and Sarah Grace (innkeepers) in Devizes. Born circa 1816. County of birth is Wiltshire.
Do we know who he is, in relation to Louisa? (She's on the same census page, too).
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Ashton,
I wrote an explanation but it’s disappeared ! Don’t suppose you received it. Was rather long !
The Evett name appears because Louisa Elizabeth Maslins sister was “adopted” by the Events. The step father was George. I’m thinking that the Evitt wife was another Maslin but I haven’t followed that through yet.Census records shows him as a grocer. Sarah turns up later living in Devizes as a milliner with Louisa Elizabeth Maslin.
The Evitt Are connected to the Fawkes. A son,we think ! is working as or with a solicitor in Regent Street in London. They turn up in listings for Carlton buildings which was built as offices for solicitors,architects etc. The Fawkes name can be traced “a bit” but I have a feeling they are family too.
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Ashton,we have been unable to make any link with James Maslin 1841 census.
Could just be coincidence as Maslin is a very common name in Wiltshire.
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Ashton,
Louisa gives her place of birth as Covent Garden. I’ve read christening documents until I’ve fallen asleep and then looked again at them !
Also checked Wiltshire.
My Aunt was suspicious that Louisa was the illegitimate child of an Elizabeth Maslin but I don’t know how she thought that….thinking out of the box I guess.
I’ve searched Wiltshire records and did wonder about Urchfont but no other link.
Louisa Elizabeth’s husband John Perry inherited a huge amount of money,property and land in the Devizes area. On his death ,six months later, his only legitimate child Mary Sarah Sissons Perry inherited.Louisa then lives with married daughter. Y 1895 all the money,land,shares ,property had gone. There is even a letter to the solicitor saying sell the silver candlesticks as we can’t support our six boys. Her husband John Biggs Banks was an estate manager and they lived in a large Tudor house outside Newbury. They moved to Enfield( now in London) as Great grandfather John Biggs Bank’s managed to get a job as a store man in the Royal Small Arms Factory where the Enfield Rifle was made.
I have the detailed records of Louisa’s life in the lunatic asylum. It’s talks of an unpleasant woman mumbling about being rich. It’s so very hard to know that my great great grandmother was being treated like this. She had been rich and had single handed lay brought up her daughter having my great grandmother educated in French,pianoforte,a little arithmetic,dance and Geography. They had to bring red flannel petticoats to wear and a silver spoon !
I have had huge amounts of help over the years on this site for which I am so grateful.
My late Dad and Aunt called me their custodian not the owner of this work and it must be passed on to the next generation.
I know everyone thinks their own family is wonderful but I’ve been told by many I should try to write this as a book.There are so many unusual incidents that it would make a wonderful tv drama.
And I haven’t even mentioned the part of this family that went to the USA to San Francisco around 1868 ! Or another branch who were Welsh and went to Philadelphia around 1871 !
Or the fact I could never understand why great uncles all survived WW11….They lived in or near Ordnance Road Enfield Wash and so all had protected jobs as they worked making armaments. They would not be called up to fight though there were Zeppelins overhead !Had they remained in Berkshire or their parents had not lost the wealth ,they would have all been called up to the Wiltshire/ Berkshire Regiments and probably lost their lives.
Thank you for putting up with my genealogical rants but it’s all so very important to me. The choices and efforts these people made make me who I am now.
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Carole W , sadly the Louisa Elizabeth/ Charlotte is a transcription error. Thank you for trying to help.
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Lizzie L,
I’ve posted many bits of the story. I have a whole study floor to ceiling with research files.
It’s obsessive ! I have to put it back and return later. Louisa Elizabeth Maslin’s birth is the one huge brick wall !
I know an unbelievable amount about her life due to solicitors documents and hand written personal letters lodged in the Chippenham Records Office but can not find her parents or her birth.
Due to certain “ inconsistencies” it would not surprise me if her giving 1821 as her date of birth is wrong.
I also think she may not have known where she was born and used Covent Garden as she thought it was acceptable !
I wouldn’t have thought of France except seeing some references when searching for something else. And I do know she went to France as one of her letters to solicitors asking for money refers to being there. I’d assumed it was because she was a milliner but it just might be something else.
Thank you for your help.
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How much do you know about Aunt Sarah?. She seems to have married William Grace early in 1841. The marriage record on Ancestry is a bit of a mess. Spinster altered to widow. Her father is recorded as Richard Mortimer (butcher) and his as Thomas Chandler (labourer). If Sarah was a widow I would expect the name she married in to be different from her father's, but why is William Grace's father a Chandler?
I think he was previously married to Elizabeth Hill and had a daughter Sarah Caroline (maybe other children as well)
Where did her money come from? first husband? father? The marriage record gives her occupation as Lady - does that mean independent means or she actually had a title?
Where does James Chandler fit in? He was witness to Louisa Elizabeth Maslen's marriage and one of the co-executors of Sarah Grace's will.
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I agree with LizzieL. I feel Aunt Sarah needs a full investigation. Is she Louisa's biological aunt? Or rather someone in an unrelated "guardian" role? Could she be Louisa's birth mother?
What year did Sarah marry William Grace? (Sorry, I don't have an Ancestry sub to view the record).
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Marriage was 23 jan 1841, both were widowed.
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Sarah says she was born in Upavon in the 1851 census (which she only survived by a short time). From her stated age 59 her year of birth would be about 1792
Her death reg Q2 1851, age given as 60.
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Both your thoughts have been our thoughts about “Aunt Sarah” !
She married young to Richard Chandler in Rotherhithe in Surrey London. There is a Malin on the marriage cert as witness but I haven’t been able to link them yet. I’m guessing siblings or cousins. Richard Chandler seems to be something to do with boat making / and /or grocery that’s seeing legal documents linked to insurance and assuming it’s the right Richard Sissons. He’s travelling to the correct part of Yorkshire and more documents turned up to do with his landholdings. I think he might have been a widower (need to check files) He was older and conveniently dies ! He is listed as a gentleman. Louisa is living with them in Yorkshire. Louisa is specifically listed in the Will to receive money she’s about 13/15. When Richard Sissons dies it’s only a matter of months before they are in Devizes and Aunt Sarah has married Richard Chandler ( a widower I think) he dies with8n a year and she marries William Grace also a widower who has a daughter need to check but maybe a son too )
I began to think Aunt Sarah was killing off the husbands to claim the money !!! There’s a long document in Chippenham giving the exact details of one of the funerals. Black kid leather gloves,silk and satin ,oak and brass. No expense spared.
I don’t know here date of birth or where but it’s possibly in my Aunts note books.Its ten years since she died but I’m still finding bits I’d either forgotten about or hadn’t found. It doesn’t help that lots of her rough notes early on were on very poor quality post war paper.
I am awaiting the conservator at Vhippenham who is willing to give me advice because the collection of research is so vast and this part covers Devizes and surrounding Wiltshire.
Thank you again for your ideas. It so helps to be able to think this through .
Just seen extra posts.
Hadn’t picked up about the Chandler bit. I think this is a different family to the second marriage.
Grace was considered a dreadful man. Solicitors letters between themselves say give him a Guinea to get rid of him,don’t lend him any more money etc.
But the Castle Hotel was a very well known establishment with good reviews back then.
I think Sarah’s money was put into developing the Castle hotel as there are references to the return of the money.
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What is Aunt Sarah's maiden name? Do we know who her parents and siblings are?
How many men did Aunt Sarah marry and when/where? So far you've mentioned:
Richard Sissons (marriage year and location?)
Richard Chandler (marriage year and location?)
William Grace (marriage in 1841)
UPDATED:
Marriage date 03 Dec 1822
Marriage place Rotherhithe
First name(s) Richard
Last name Sissons
Spouse's first name(s) Sarah
Spouse's last name Maslin
Marriage date 16 Sep 1835
Marriage place Saint Pancras
First name(s) Sarah
Last name Sissons
Spouse's first name(s) Richard
Spouse's last name Chandler
I'm only seeing the transcripts for the 1822 and 1835 marriages. I wonder if the images are online? If so, do they include the witness names?
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Sarah says she was born in Upavon in the 1851 census (which she only survived by a short time). From her stated age 59 her year of birth would be about 1792
Is this Aunt Sarah's baptism? No father mentioned.
Baptism date 28 Mar 1790
Place Upavon, Wiltshire
First name(s) Sarah
Last name Maslin
Mother's first name(s) Elizabeth
Mother's last name Maslin
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Bingo! Elizabeth Maslin's burial below.
Wiltshire Burials Index 1538-1990
First name(s) Elizabeth
Last name Maslen
Age 55
Birth year 1767
Burial date 21 Aug 1822
Place Upavon
Residence St Mary, Rotherhithe, Surrey (where daughter Sarah married in 1822)
Here's Elizabeth's baptism:
Wiltshire Baptisms Index 1530-1917
First name(s) Elizabeth
Last name Maslen
Place Upavon, Wiltshire
Baptism date 12 Apr 1767
Father's first name(s) Richard
Father's last name Maslen
Mother's first name(s) Jane
Given the three items below, is there a strong chance that Louisa Elizabeth is the daughter of Richard Sissons and Sarah Maslin?
1. "Aunt Sarah" married Richard Sissons in 1822 (in Surrey)
2. Louisa's birth year is circa 1821 (birthplace is given as London)
3. Louisa gives her daughter "Sissons" as a middle name
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The marriage record on Ancestry is a bit of a mess. Spinster altered to widow. Her father is recorded as Richard Mortimer (butcher)...
Well, this is one for the books! There actually was a Richard Mortimer (butcher) residing in Upavo, Wiltshire. There's an 1804 Apprenticeship record mentioning his name:
"Robert HAMPTON, son of Edward (sawyer); apprenticed to Richard MORTIMER, butcher of Uphaven".
So it appears "Aunt Sarah" knew her father's name after all (even though no father's name is listed on her 1790 baptism record).
Here's another record, but looks like it may be for Richard's son.
Wiltshire Social & Institutional Records 1123-1968
Record type Petty Sessions
First name(s) Richard, Junr.
Last name Mortimer
Notes Butcher of Upavon
Date 28 Nov 1820
Place Upavon
So, does this mean that William Grace's father really was Thomas Chandler?
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This could be James Chandler, witness at Louisa's 1847 wedding?
Wiltshire Social & Institutional Records 1123-1968
First name(s) James
Last name Chandler
Notes Of Devizes St Mary: Innkeeper & beerhouse keeper - The Three Crowns
Notes: Innkeeper & farrier of Week (Devizes)
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So, does this mean that William Grace's father really was Thomas Chandler?
Amazing finds Ashtone!
William Grace (1851 census) says he was born in Everleigh Wilts abt 1781. I did find one to fit s/o John and Sarah.
But could Sarah have misunderstoof the "father" question and given the name of the Father of her previous (Chandler) husband?
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Here's Elizabeth's baptism:
Wiltshire Baptisms Index 1530-1917
First name(s) Elizabeth
Last name Maslen
Place Upavon, Wiltshire
Baptism date 12 Apr 1767
Father's first name(s) Richard
Father's last name Maslen
Mother's first name(s) Jane
Image of the 1822 marriage on Ancestry
Witnesses were Richard and Jane Maslin (sic). All parties able to sign their names.
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Richard and Jane (Elizabeth Maslen's parents) baptised a son, Richard in 1769 in Upavon. If he married a Jane, the witnesses could be Sarah's aunt and uncle rather than her grandparents.
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Sarah's second marriage took place in 1835 to Richard Chandler (a widower of Pewsey) in St Pancras. Witnesses both had surname Hillier. One is Edward, can't read the other. Image of register on Ancestry
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Haven't progressed on the search for Louisa's birth, but want to offer up the people below. No doubt the OP already has the details:
1. 1854 marriage in Islington for Louisa's "sister" Sarah Maslin Evett. I'm unable to view the marriage record, but I'm curious as to who she names as her father (and his occupation).
2. 1848 marriage in Yeovil for a Jane Maslin Evett. Is she another "sister"? What's her story?
3. The OP references a "Mrs Fawkes of Carlton Chambers, Regent Street, London" in connection with sisters Louisa and Sarah. In the 1841 census there's a Joseph & Eliza Fawkes residing at Carlton Chambers with two teenagers. Joseph and Eliza are both servants.
I'm still no wiser about the Maslin sisters and Evett/Evitt connection. We need further clarification from the OP about the Evett people, whoever they are. Does the OP have the Evett's in any census reports?
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1. 1854 marriage in Islington for Louisa's "sister" Sarah Maslin Evett. I'm unable to view the marriage record, but I'm curious as to who she names as her father (and his occupation).
father is George Evett, a greengrocer
witnesses are E.Flowers and A.Evett
Everyone signs
the groom George Henry Eggleton, is a Baker.
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2. 1848 marriage in Yeovil for a Jane Maslin Evett. Is she another "sister"? What's her story?
Cert says Jane Evett, but she signs Jane Maslin Evett
father George, a pawn broker
witnesses Sarah Maslin Evett and John Bishop
James PAYNE (the husband) is an engineer
Jane is a school mistress.
both of West Chinnock.
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2. 1848 marriage in Yeovil for a Jane Maslin Evett. Is she another "sister"? What's her story?
Cert says Jane Evett, but she signs Jane Maslin Evett
father George, a pawn broker
witnesses Sarah Maslin Evett and John Bishop
James PAYNE (the husband) is an engineer
Jane is a school mistress.
both of West Chinnock.
They settle in Chard.
First child is Elizabeth Louisa born 1849
Census… 1851, 1861 Jane b Middlesex abt 1820/21
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Richard and Jane (Elizabeth Maslen's parents) baptised a son, Richard in 1769 in Upavon. If he married a Jane, the witnesses could be Sarah's aunt and uncle rather than her grandparents.
Found a marriage of a Richard Maslin widower to a Jane Eades spinster in Bethnal Green on 6th May 1823 (after Sarah Maslin married Richard Sissons). There is some similarity in the signatures, but Jane would have to have been calling herself Maslin before marriage for it to work.
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Louisa states on her marriage cert that her father is George. Because I found no evidence of him I wondered if she was recording George Evitt but naming him George Maslin ! Of course this supposition with no evidence.
I can’t follow through the amazing info at the moment due to a big family gathering here !
I’ll be back on line later.
Thank you so much to all of you for helping with so much work !
I am so grateful !✨🌟✨
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1. 1854 marriage in Islington for Louisa's "sister" Sarah Maslin Evett. I'm unable to view the marriage record, but I'm curious as to who she names as her father (and his occupation).
father is George Evett, a greengrocer
witnesses are E.Flowers and A.Evett
mckha489 - thank you for the details! The witness A. Evett could be sister Amelia.
Name Amelia Evett
Birth registration year 1838
Mother's maiden name Maslin
District Holborn
This is probably the Evett family in the 1841 census (all born in County) --
Payn Street, Islington
George Evett 45 Labourer
Jane 40
George 15
Sarah 9
Amelia 3
I'm not finding George and/or Jane Evett (with Amelia) after 1841. In theory, Amelia should be in the 1851 census somewhere (if she's the witness at Sarah's wedding in 1854).
I'm not seeing a marriage for George Evett to a Jane Maslin/Maslen. In fact, Amelia's is the only birth record I've found for their children so far.
Interesting that Sarah Maslin Evett made it down to Yeovil for Jane's 1848 marriage. Are they sisters?
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Re Jane (the one who married James Payne)
Jane is in West Chinnock in 1841 as a governess. (No children in the household though)
Anyway..I was posting to say that I think the witness to the marriage, John Bishop, is probably the Farmer
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1851
George, Jane and Amelia
Piece 1499, Folio 405, Page number 29
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1851
George, Jane and Amelia
Piece 1499, Folio 405, Page number 29
Sorry, the above isn't working for me. ??? What surname are they under?
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Evett. He's a greengrocer. They live in Islington
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1851
George, Jane and Amelia
Piece 1499, Folio 405, Page number 29
I don’t think that page is on FindMyPast. I am not finding it by ref alone, or by other people on the page.
Well found on ancestry though Lizzie.
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Yes, not on FindMyPast. I'll see if it's on FS. Then on to search for the births/baptisms for the older children, and the Evett/Maslin marriage. But maybe I'll hold-off until the OP returns, in case they already know all this information.
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They are in Titterton terrace. (Which is also where they were in 1843 for the baptisms of Sarah Maslen and Amelia in 1843).
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I don’t think I have seen posted ..apologies if I have missed it
There are Banns dated Jan 28 to Feb 11 1838 for George Evett B(achelor) and Jane Maslin S(pinster) with a big X by it. Does that mean they didn’t follow through with the marriage?
Added…church = St Giles in the Fields
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No wonder I'm not seeing any of those records. Not on FindMyPast. >:(
Given the late (1843) baptisms for Sarah and Amelia, I wonder if Louisa Elizabeth could the daughter of George and Jane? Maybe the couple never got round to baptising LE. Looks like they never got round to marrying either.
So, how are Jane Maslin (born c1804 in London) and Sarah Maslin (born 1790 Upavon) connected?
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There is a baptism for a Jane Maslin, dau of John & Elizabeth , St James, Westminster
Indexed with FHS film no 1850973 & 1042309
Bap 17 March 1799
Born 11 Dec 1798
IF that is our Jane Perhaps John & Sarah are brother & sister?
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Not sure if "Aunt Sarah" (from Upavon) had any siblings. But it does beg the question how a woman from Wiltshire marries two well-off chaps in London and Surrey. How did she meet them?
Perhaps Richard and Jane Maslin, witnesses at Aunt Sarah's 1822 marriage, can provide the link.
Not sure if its related, but a Richard Maslin (born 1786) was buried in St James, Piccadilly on 21 Dec 1832.
I only mention it because Jane Evett (nee Maslin) gives St James as her birthplace in the 1851 census.
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Evening all, I am absolutely blown away by your research and help.
Having cleared the decks of some living relatives ,I’ve had a Quick Look.
Exactly my thoughts are being written. My Aunt who started the research back in 1946 and was still searching at 104 !!! At one point thought she was a high class prostitute when we found the link to Regent Street Carlton buildings.
But I then began to think was “Aunt Sarah” deliberately marrying older men to get their money and property or good forbid was she helping them on their way ( I’ll never know that !)
I can’t understand what Sarah Maslin is doing in Rotherhithe Surrey London where she marries,as it appears that the family link is Devizes.
I also have wondered who Amelia is and where she came from as I don’t think she’s an Evitt by birth or a Maslin.
I shall return to this tomorrow.
You have no idea how grateful I am for all your efforts !Thank you.✨🌟✨
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I also have wondered who Amelia is and where she came from as I don’t think she’s an Evitt by birth or a Maslin.
Your reply has me confused. There is a GRO birth registration for Amelia Evett (born 1838) plus her 1843 "late" baptism record on Ancestry. Mother's maiden is Maslin.
You can order a digital copy of the 1838 birth directly from the GRO for only £2.50 for further proof.
Unless a baptism for the other daughter Jane Maslin Evett can be located it's probably a case of George and Jane neglecting to baptise their older children (Jane and Louisa).
Jane, Louisa, and Sarah all name-check their father as George Evett/George Maslin (grocer).
Then there's the milliner occupation for sisters Louisa, Sarah, and Amelia (see 1851 census).
In my mind, the remaining mystery is how Jane Maslin (from London) and "Aunt Sarah" are connected.
Maybe Jane Maslin (witness at the 1822 marriage) is the "wife" of George Evett, and mum of the girls mentioned above. Given that Aunt Sarah "married up" in 1822 was there an agreement/arrangement for her to take Louisa and Sarah?
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There is a baptism for a Jane Maslin, dau of John & Elizabeth , St James, Westminster
Indexed with FHS film no 1850973 & 1042309
Bap 17 March 1799
Born 11 Dec 1798
IF that is our Jane Perhaps John & Sarah are brother & sister?
Or, John (the father) was fictitious and Elizabeth was the same single mother who had given birth to "aunt" Sarah in Upavon in 1790, That would make Jane and aunt Sarah sisters / half sisters. If LE was Jane's child (irrespective of whether George Evitt is her natural father), then "aunt" Sarah would indeed be her aunt. I think Richard maslin and Jane nee Eades (marriage winesses) are Elizabeth's brother and sister in law. Jane using the Maslin surname before they were actually married. see reply #30
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Not sure if its related, but a Richard Maslin (born 1786) was buried in St James, Piccadilly on 21 Dec 1832.
I only mention it because Jane Evett (nee Maslin) gives St James as her birthplace in the 1851 census.
Image of record is on Ancestry, this Richard Maslin was from the workhouse. Could the Jane Maslin who did not quite marry George Evitt be this Richard's widow? So she would be Jane Eades and first married name was Maslin.
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There is a removal order for a Richard Maslin from St Leonards Shoreditch to St James Westminster dated 2 Dec 1829. It says delivered to the workhouse.
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I don’t think I have seen posted ..apologies if I have missed it
There are Banns dated Jan 28 to Feb 11 1838 for George Evett B(achelor) and Jane Maslin S(pinster) with a big X by it. Does that mean they didn’t follow through with the marriage?
Added…church = St Giles in the Fields
There's a marriage Q1 1838 - George Evett and Jane Maslin on same page vol 1 page 48. But his entry says Bloomsbury and hers says St Giles and St George although the vol number and page number are the same. Found on freeBMD
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Image of marriage record on Ancestry. Feb 12th 1838 St Giles in the fields. Jane says her father is John Maslin - no occupation given. Witnesses W. Taylor and Esther Cooper. All parties sign
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Jane is single so not the widow of the Richard found earlier
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Richard and Jane (Elizabeth Maslen's parents) baptised a son, Richard in 1769 in Upavon. If he married a Jane, the witnesses could be Sarah's aunt and uncle rather than her grandparents.
Found a marriage of a Richard Maslin widower to a Jane Eades spinster in Bethnal Green on 6th May 1823 (after Sarah Maslin married Richard Sissons). There is some similarity in the signatures, but Jane would have to have been calling herself Maslin before marriage for it to work.
banns were called for this couple in Whitechapel in 1820. Something must have prevented them marrying until 1823.
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As mentioned in my Reply #26 --
The OP references a "Mrs Fawkes of Carlton Chambers, Regent Street, London" in connection with sisters Louisa and Sarah.
In the 1841 census there's a Joseph & Eliza Fawkes residing at Carlton Chambers with two teenagers (Eliza and Edward). Joseph and Eliza are both servants. Note: Edward was born in Essex in 1826.
UPDATED:
Joseph Fawkes died in 1849. His widow Elizabeth marries again in December 1854:
Elizabeth Fawkes (nee Maslin), widow
George Stacey, widower, occupation: Porter
Both of this parish: Paddington
Fathers: John Maslin (Servant) and William Stacey (farmer)
Witnesses: handwriting is terrible, so unable to decipher the names
1851 census - Unable to locate widow Elizabeth Fawkes
1861 census - George and Elizabeth Stacey at Carlton Chambers, 4 Regent Street. According to the census, Elizabeth was born 1805 in London.
Elizabeth died in 1866 and is buried in Brompton Cemetery (Residence is 4 Regent Street).
1866 - St. James Westminster, London
Stacey, Elizabeth (age 63)
So, this connects Jane Maslin to Elizabeth Maslin. Possibly sisters? And how are they related to "Aunt Sarah" from Wiltshire?
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A little story - some fact - some fiction / supposition
Once upon a time in the little village of Upavon, Wiltshire, Richard Maslin was born in approx 1737 (from age at death), he met Jane Offer from nearby Enford and they married on 15 Oct 1764 in Enford.
They had three children in Upavon
John bapt 23 June 1765
Elizabeth bapt 1767
Richard bapt 1769
Richard snr was buried in Upavon in 1814, Jane was buried in Upavon in 1828 (age at death gives birth year of 1740)
The three children decided to go to London to make their fortune, but not before Elizabeth had a relationship with a man (possibly Richard Mortimer the local butcher - how else to get the best cuts of meat) which resulted in the birth of her daughter Sarah in 1790 in Upavon.
In London John married Elizabeth in 1798 (possibly Sealy or Muntt - prefer the latter due to location) They had several children Jane 1799, Elizabeth 1803, Richard 1810, (possibly Elizabeth and Joseph later).
Jane lives with a George Evett eventually marrying him in Feb 1838 about 3 weeks before their daughter Amelia is born. Amelia has 3 older sisters / half sisters who all add the surname Evett to Maslen - Jane b 1820/1 (marries James Payne), Louisa Elizabeth b 1824ish (marries John Perry), Sarah b 27 Oct 1831 (marries George Henry Eggleton.
Elizabeth (1803) is the problem as I did find a burial in the right parish on 20 Mar 1806 , two months after Elizabeth was baptised (although born in 1803). There is however another Elizabeth baptised in 1813 in Stepney and a Joseph in 1815 (listed in both Stepney and Whitechapel) children of a John / Elizabeth couple. Did the later Elizabeth become Mrs Fawkes? (Perhaps some guy can solve that one).
Richard (1810) appears to be buried in 1832 - don't think he married
Joseph (1815) ( if he part of the family) marries a Sarah and becomes a blacksmith / farrier (father John is blacksmith on baptism record)
Richard (1769 Upavon) married Jane Eades eventually in 1823 in Bethnal Green after a failed attempt three years earlier in Whitechapel. They were witnesses at Sarah (1790, Elizabeth's illeg daughter) first marriage to Richard Sissons in Rotherhithe. Jane signing herself Maslin even though she was still an Eades.
Can't find any children for this Richard and Jane or definitely what happened to them after 1823.
Elizabeth (1767) was buried in Upavon although residence was Rotherhithe
And Sarah (1790) - known affectionately in the family as Aunt Sarah - we know all about her. Did she help her two rich husbands on their way? We shall never know.
to be continued ......
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...but not before Elizabeth had a relationship with a man (possibly Richard Mortimer the local butcher - how else to get the best cuts of meat)
;D ;D As the saying goes...."catch-as-catch-can".
Lizzie - see my Reply #53 for details on Elizabeth Fawkes/Stacey (nee Maslin).
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Aunt Sarah - we know all about her. Did she help her two rich husbands on their way?
Reminds me of the opening credits to "Hart to Hart" -- "when they met, it was murdah!" :P
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New theory:
The burial in St James Westminster on 20 Mar 1806 might be John's wife Elizabeth (now I see an image, the record doesn't give age but there is W, M or C after each name, which I assume must be woman, man or child, rather than widowed and married as there are no S's for single). The burial for Richard in St James puzzled me as it gave birth year of 1806, but if he was born in 1806 and Elizabeth died shortly after childbirth it would fit. So Elizabeth 1803 survives to become Mrs Fawkes. Richard eventually gets baptised in 1810 in Lambeth - the family have form for late baptisms.
Elizabeth (1813) and Joseph (1815) are a different family.
I have found at least two other John /Elizabeth Maslin couples. One pair married in Berkshire and had a child in Kensington. Another pair settled in Deptford, that John also came from Wiltshire.
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Hi all !
I am totally blown away by this research ! Completely understand the “possible” links in all this but it makes so much sense.
Upavon was where my late Aunt thought Sarah may have been born as the illegitimate daughter of an Elizabeth!
To say I’m excited by all of your efforts and everything you have all done is putting it mildly !
I just want to phone my Dad and Aunt to tell them but of course they have already died.
I am so sorry that I can’t thank you all personally….you have no idea how much this means to me.
As a child I was brought up thinking everyone did genealogy and I’d picked up so much info along the way. Then I started working with my Dad and Aunt and looking things up for them eg National Archives online. My study is full of our research. To complicate matters the John Perry that Louisa Elizabeth marries inherited a huge amount of money,shares,land and property in around 1870.
That was one of the reasons the reasearch began. Where and why had all the money gone ?
Don’t worry….i know a
L the answers to that part of the story !
I really love the explanation that is fact and fiction because that is how we solved the later part.
Begin with facts with evidence, look for strong possibilities to either include or exclude ( with evidence) and continue checking every bit. And then of course going back to check again as new info is released and is on line or has access.
I am so grateful. Thank you for such wonderful research. Now to get my brain up a gear or two and set to work !!! ✨🌟✨
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Miggs191 - do you have your Maslin research entered on family trees, such as Ancestry or FindMyPast? Or is it all in paper files, waiting for a proper (online) family tree to be created?
Have you used or currently use Ancestry, FindMyPast, and Family Search for research?
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About 100 paper files of Maslin,Perry of Devizes. Banks of Potterne, Lacock and Enfield.
I’m on Ancestry,Find my Past,Genes reunite and Heritage. There are bits of more recent family on some of these. I’m not brilliant at adding info so find there may be two sisters who are the same person and I can’t get rid of it !!! Not very computer literate. I was a teacher until retirement and my seven year olds would teach me ICT !!!
I’m also half Irish and that’s on paper and also on line in parts. That is all my own research going back to 1800 which is pretty good for Ireland. I’m currently working on linking my grandparent’s land ownership to a document found in the 1800’s Bowood House near Lacock . Which will be an amazing coincidence to have my Irish family linked to my English family back in the 1600 s!
That’s not on line as it’s investigative at the moment.
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Are we calling this thread "Completed" then? ??? Your original question was regarding a birth/baptism for Louisa Elizabeth Maslin. As far as I can tell, the Evett's never got round to baptising Jane or LE (having done "late baptisms" in 1843 for their younger children).
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At the moment I think it’s a resounding YES !
I know everything about Louisa from the age of thirteen. I now have evidence to link the other Maslin’s together.
When you mention christenings ,I’ve a feeling that that Amelia and Sarah were baptised but later.
I do know that Louisa’s step children ( from a relation ship her husband John had,don’t ask !!!) were christened at least twice as children and then as adults so there is a bit of a pattern in that bit of the family.
Many thanks again. I’ll now need to get it all down on paper ! Or computer !✨🌟✨