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Research in Other Countries => United States of America => Topic started by: brigidmac on Tuesday 09 April 24 22:20 BST (UK)
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I'm trying to find out more about Isaac WORLEY 1804 -1869
+ his father Willis or Wiley WORLEY 1775 - 1824
Isaac was a farmer born Arkansas wife Elizabeth b.Kentucky
With at least 11 children born Kentucky
Age range baby to 23 years on 1850 census
His 2nd wife was the girl next door Margery DAVIS + he had 3 more children with him
Father could be the Wiley WORLEY on 1820 census from whitely Kentucky
But if so his wife Dorcas B 1786 and daughter Abigail B 1810 are not on census with him as there is only one female listed as age 16-25
There are 2 males over 45
1 male age 26-44
2 males between 10 and 15
Which could be 1saac and Willis 1806
+ 3 males under 10 I'd like to find their names
If it's correct census
I'm interested in knowing if they would have been soldiers at any point
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Doesn’t help with soldiers; just trying to get more details about the family…
Have you seen the Kentucky marriage records? It looks like there are two other Worleys on the page. We can give details if you’ve not seen the list.
Added: the two additional names are for younger folks so perhaps for his children.
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The marriage list shows N. Carolina as Isaac’s place of birth. The same is true for the 1860 census sheet.
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As I counted the household of Willis Worley in 1820 there is room for a Dorcas and Abigail
here is what I found on the family.
Willis or Wiley Worley (1775 - 1828, Youngs Creek, Whitely County, KY)
said to be in Knox County, KY in 1809
last mention said to be 1828 Tax records of Whitley County, KY
1810 Census Knox County, KY
3 Free white males 0-9 years of age.
0 Free white males 10 -15 years of age.
0 Free white males 16 -25 years of age including heads of families.
1 Free white males 26 -44 years of age including heads of families.
0 Free white males 45 years and older.including heads of families.
1 Free white females 0-9 years of age.
1 Free white females 10-15 years of age.
0 Free white females 16-25 years of age including heads of families.
1 Free white females 26-44 years of age including heads of families.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XH2P-7GJ
1820 census: in Whitely, KY
3 m under 10
2 m 10 to 15
0 m 16 to 25
0 m 26 to 45
1 m 45 and up
2 f under 10
0 f 10 to 15
0 f 16 to 25
1 f 26 to 44
3 engaged in agriculture
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XHLR-YCJ
** Isaac Worley (1804, Arkansas - 1869)
+ Elizabeth Walker (1809, Kentucky - )
said to have married 10 August 1826, Wayne County
1840 Census Wayne County, KY
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XHTP-JW5
1850 Census Wayne County, KY
- 1850: Rachel 23?, Dorcus 21, Matthew 18, Andrew 17, Simeon 15, Sara 13, Lucinda 12, Patty 11, Willis 8, Regalus 6, Harry, 4
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M65P-FCH
1860 Census Wayne County, KY
PO Box: Monticello
Isaac 55, NC
Elizabeth 56, KY
Matthew 27, Darkie 12, Elizabeth 9, Arrilde 5, George Alfred 3, Cader, 2
next household:
Simeon Worley, 24, Lucinda, 25, Willis 18
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MZB1-FSQ
male born to Isaac Worley and Elizabeth Walker, 7 June 1852, Wayne County, KY
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MZB1-FSQ
Isaac Worley married Margaret Davis 28 May 1854, Wayne County, at Baxter Davis[' house]
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QKJ3-9WWX
she is said to have died 1857
married Elizabeth Cassidy 24 April 1858, Wayne County
find Whitely County, Kentucky Will Book 1, 1818 - 1854
https://www.familysearch.org/library/books/records/item/270403-whitley-county-kentucky-will-book-1-1818-1854?offset=22
no Worley transcribed here
they say the images are at familysearch: search > catalog > "Kentucky, Whitley" > search, click on "Probate Records"
http://genealogytrails.com/ken/whitley/Will-Book1.html
But they are not there now.
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the "said to be" information is from the family search tree which is worth looking at
tree:
for Isaac https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/LHTZ-95F
for Willis/Wiley https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/L2CZ-999
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Thanks so much for all of this I LL have to digest in the morning as I'm in Leicester England
I'm looking for a way this family could connect to HARRISON'S in Yorkshire England as there are strong DNA matches thru descendants of 5 of Isaac's children
I'd just found the 1810 census too
And have an alternative birth of 1818 for Abigail daughter or Willis WORLEY
So that fits better with other children
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1850 Census Wayne County, KY
- 1850: Rachel 23?, Dorcus 21, Matthew 18, Andrew 17, Simeon 15, Sara 13, Lucinda 12, Patty 11, Willis 8, Regalus 6, Harry, 4
i have some differences in spellings + ages Racheal 23
sister Jemima also 23 living with a different family*
sara is Sena Ann
Pally is Polly Ann also known as Patty ?
Harry is Harvey
also Davens & Darkie age 2 not sure if male female or twins
+ elizabeth b 1852
mother Betsy ?elizabeth WALKER 1809 d 1852
isaac then married next door neighbour margery DAVIS age 23
+ had 3 more children
arvilda1854
george alfred c worley 1856 *
cader powell march 1857 *he married elizabeth cassady after 2nd wife died oct 1857
lisa if you can help me with other marriages id be grateful
Ive marked with star ones who have dna matched descendants
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i have seen a record of for margeery davis
marriage bond for 3rd marriage
+ for his son Mathew F
but they dont give many details
not seen first marriage of Isaac
his parent marrigerecord is on us + internationalrecords but original is not available on ancestry ..or i didnt know how to find it
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oldohio I agree about census for Wiley WORLEY
so in 1810 the 3 boys under 10 would be Isaac b1804
willis1806
+ ?
the girl under 10 could be Abigail if she was born 1810
wife Dorcas would be there
so i need to look for 1 more girl
in 1820
there are 3 unknown under 10
2 from 10 t0 15 are ? + willis
1 26-44 could be isaac
abigail would fit the 16 to 25 age range
on ancestry transcription saw another male age 45 + could that be a friend relative or lodger
#Transcript says 1 slave age 45 but it's a mistake
On original it's clearly a line indicating O not a 1
Total household is # actually 9 not 10
.where did you see a possible wife ?
Nothing in over 45 column
Maybe her age was reducef
im trying to access the FS records now
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1850 - you're right, That should be Polly, not Patty as I thought.And Dorcas is 2, not 21. I don't see twins. The column after the number tells you if the person is male or female. Dorcas is a female name (from the Bible).
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The transcription of the 1820 census at ancestry for Wiley Worley is incorrect. You need to look at the image. The census enumerator did not include a column that he should have, namely for free white males 16 to 18. It looks like the transcriber just assumed that all the columns were what they were supposed to be.
What made me catch the mistake was that it looked like he had 3 foreigners, not naturalized, in his household out in the middle of nowhere in Kentucky in 1820. I kept thinking I counted the columns wrong. I ran the numbers half a dozen times before I realized the enumerator left out that one category.
See https://www.census.gov/history/www/through_the_decades/index_of_questions/ and find 1820 in the left column. Bookmark it or copy the information for all the years into a file and save it. It will make your life a lot easier, especially for 1790 to 1840.
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earlier question - the U.S. censuses were not taken "on the night of." They were supposed to reflect the status of the household on the date of the census, but I wonder if they ever did.
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slaves were recorded in separate columns. see the column headers on Wiley Worley's page for 1820, for example.
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random thoughts.
Isaac Worley named two children Willis and Dorcas. That is one reason to think you have the right parents for him, but is there any other reason to think so? It seems like people say Isaac and a brother Willis were born in Anson County, NC. Is there proof? And was Wiley Worley the only Worley in Anson County when Isaac and his brother were born? The story from "The Wileys of Whitely County, Kentucky" on Wiley's page at familysearch says he died there. If true, it would be some evidence that he was from there.
That list of transcribed wills of Whitley County does not include Willis/Wiley. If he died suddenly at a young age, that would make sense. Too bad, since a will might have named his sons. Is there a household headed by a Dorcas in 1830 or 1840? Are Isaac or his brother in it? I haven't looked for it.
I wonder why Isaac had so many children before he named one after his father and mother? Have you found the Walkers? What were Elizabeth's parents' names?
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How does anyone know that the same Isaac married Elizabeth Walker, Margery Davis and Elizabeth Cassidy? I haven't looked yet, it was getting late. Were there any other Isaac Worleys in the area at the time, like a cousin or nephew? Are there death records for the first two wives, or birth or death records for any of the children? They might name their parents, including the mother's maiden name, if they died late enough.
It matters because you have DNA matches with children of the two Elizabeths, so if they were different people, you would be sure your match was with Isaac's line. Do you match any children of Margery Davis?
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What do you know about Isaac's brother Willis? Did he name a daughter Dorcas?
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Is the name Worley common in Yorkshire?
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I won't get back to this today, but maybe later in the week or over the weekend.
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P.S. so the wife in 1820 was the female 26 to 44.
extra males can always be a farmhand, one of their brothers, or one of their fathers, or other relative.
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Thanks so much once again
Unfortunately I can't do the clever filing computer system that you suggested. I m a bit of a technophobe
& I work from my mobile phone a lot
I will answer your questions if I can
Yes I do have proof of different wives from birth records and finding children from earlier wives on censuses with half siblings & next wives
Actually have 26 thru lines to Wiley WORLEY & 23 to Dorcas meadows ( 3 top matches are thru a Yorkshire lady if Wiley is the birth father
16 are via Isaac via 5 children different mothers
5 are via Willis via 4 different children
1 thru daughter Jemima
1 thru son Ruben
I've spoken to a descendant of Isaac's son Cader who has heard about an English connection but hasn't investigated that side much
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Yes I saw the 3 " unnaturalized foreigners too & hoped they would be a clue but spotted the mistake on the original and it. Was 3 people working in agriculture
I have a Welsh great great aunt called Dorcas and other biblical names 1great grandfather was Abiah
& An English gggfather was Nimrod
Re random thoughts Maybe earlier Dorcas + Willis babies had died + they used the same name again .
I didn't notice what religion they were + whether this would be common practice .
I discovered that Jewish religion it's considered unnatural to name children after living ancestors but families honour grandparents after their death by naming children after(for) them .
Our traditional Scottish naming system can be helpful in confirming matches first son named after dad's father second son after mum's father
3rd son after dad
1st daughter after the mother's mother 2nd daughter takes fathers mother's name sometimes including the surname and third daughter has same name as mother ( I should have been called Mary Stephenson MacDermid but my father broke with tradition.& The spelling of my first name is Irish
English families tended to name first son after the father
But don't have the American tradition of adding 1st 2nd 3rd after each generation
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"people say Isaac and a brother Willis were born in Anson County, NC. Is there proof? And was Wiley Worley the only Worley in Anson County when Isaac and his brother were born? The story from "The Wileys of Whitely County, Kentucky" on Wiley's page at familysearch says he died there. If true, it would be some evidence "
1850 + 1860 census for Isaac states born north Carolina
Willis says birth place south Carolina in 1860
Wife of Isaac; Elizabeth & children all born Kentucky
Kentucky birth records state the mother's name including surname Margerry DAVIS. Or Elizabeth /Betsy WALKER
1840 has Dorcas Worley ( Wiley's widow ) heading household with 3
males and 1 female aged 15- 30
Further up the page is Her son Wiley /Willis Worley with 4 males & 4 females in household which corresponds with his children
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This family don't seem to care about naming children after maternal grandfatbef
Dorcas parents were Thomas and kesiah
Isaacs wife Elizabeth WALKER
Had father Jesse Alexander Jerry walker mother was Rachel Mary
Their first daughter was called Rachel
Margerys parents were Baxter & Mary/Polly
Their daughter was Alvida
Cader is an unusual first name and his middle name Powell is a surname I wonder if he was named after a friend or important person
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Hi. I enjoyed this as you will probably be able to tell.
Military records:
I didn't see any reference to military service for Wiley Worley or his son Isaac. Wiley was born in 1775, so he wouldn't have been in the American Revolution. His father might have been, if you figure out who he was. Isaac was born about 1804, so he would have been 57 when the American Civil War started. I suppose he could have gone if he wanted to, but I doubt that they came looking for him. Maybe some of his sons were. They could have been on either side, if you start looking.
I started looking.
Matthew was a Union soldier (the North)
His wife applied for a widow's pension:
United States Civil War Widows and Other Dependents Pension Files, 1861-1934
Name Marjory Owens Worley
Event Type Pension
Event Date 1861 - 1934
Event Place Kentucky
Relationship to Veteran Widow
Veteran's Name Mathew F Worley
Veteran's Military Unit 1 Kentucky Cavalry
Veteran's Military Company H
Application Number WC99829
Affiliate Record Group 15
Affiliate ARC Identifier 300020
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KXXW-4NZ
Affiliate Publication Title Index to Compiled Service Records of Volunteer Union Soldiers Who Served in Organizations From the State of Kentucky.
Name Matthew F. Worlby
Alias Mathew Woerly, Mathew F.
Military Beginning Rank Private
Military Final Rank Corporal
Military Side Union
Military Unit 1st Regiment, Kentucky Cavalry
Military Company H
Event Type Military Service
Event Date from 1861 to 1865
Event Place Kentucky, United States
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F9R9-128
note there was also a 1st Kentucky Cavalry Regiment on the Confederate side.
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Andrew was a Union soldier as well.
Andrew Worley
Age 27 years
Birth Year (Estimated) 1835
Military Unit Twelfth Infantry, Wh-Z AND Thirteenth Infantry, A
Event Type Military Service
Event Date 1862
Event Place Kentucky
Affiliate Publication Number M397
Affiliate Publication Title Compiled Service Records of Volunteer Union Soldiers Who Served in Organizations from the State of Kentucky
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F8NN-X29
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/69655856/andrew-j.-worley
burial record: 4 July 1862, no location.
at ancestry
These two pages at werelate have some added and maybe contradictory information:
Matthew's page said he died September 1864 at Andersonville prison. The records I found didn't name a date or place.
https://www.werelate.org/wiki/Person:Matthew_Worley_%281%29
Andrew's page says Andrew J died at Vicksburg, Mississippi, 15 July 1862. His burial record that I found said 4 July 1862, with no location.
https://www.werelate.org/wiki/Person:Andrew_Worley_%281%29
Thomas Meador served in the military during the American Revolution.
http://lancehallgenealogy.com/mobley/Moberly.html
and https://freepages.rootsweb.com/~nolenancestry/genealogy/page6.html
In 1743, Thomas' father Jason Meador was fined for being a Quaker and refusing to bear arms. And for not attending the local Anglican church.
https://freepages.rootsweb.com/~theduffypapers/family/meador/1738_jason_meador.htm
Haven't looked at the Mobleys for military records yet.
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1830 Census for Dorcas, Willis Worley and Isaac Worley
1830 Census, Dorcas, Isaac, Willis Worley, Whitley CO KY
Dorcas Worley household
1 m 5 to 9
2 m 10 to 14
1 m 15 to 19
1 f 10 to 14
1 f 40 to 49
1 f 80 to 90
Willis Worley household
3 m 0 to 4
1 m 5 to 9
1 m 20 to 29
1 f 20 to 29
Isaac Worley household
1 m 20 to 29
2 f 0 to 4 [Rachel and Dorcas]
1 f 20 to 29
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XHPZ-Q3V
note the 80 to 90 year old female with Dorcas, probably her mother.
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Worley is an unincorporated community and coal town in McCreary County, Kentucky, United States.
on Big South Fork of the Cumberland River. There is a Worley Hill Top Road.
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Worley,+KY+42647/@36.7020917,-84.5509055,15.17z/data=!4m6!3m5!1s0x885d1232b42e0577:0x913bef77e0a251b6!8m2!3d36.6995218!4d-84.533828!16s%2Fm%2F0494vmq?entry=ttu
McCreary County was formed in 1912 from parts of Wayne, Whitley, and Pulaski Counties, so this is the right place.
https://history.ky.gov/markers/mccreary-county-1912
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The pages for the Worleys at werelate.org had some sources and good information.
https://www.werelate.org/wiki/Person:Wiley_Worley_(2)
click on other family members also.
Wiley's page was last modified 14 March 2024, so there might be someone there you can correspond with.
Note: It looks they have two Cader Powell Worleys confused. It looks like Dorcas and Wiley Worley had a son named Cader b 1823. then Isaac and Margery Davis had their son Cader in 1857.
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lots on Keziah Moberly/Mobley here. The second one looked more complete but I didn't compare carefully.
as found at https://freepages.rootsweb.com/~nolenancestry/genealogy/page6.html
as found at http://lancehallgenealogy.com/mobley/Moberly.html
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I think the connection to Yorkshire might be the Moberlys. There were a lot of them there when I tried just the name and county at ancestry, and not too many Worleys.
I didn't try Meador, that could be the connection also, since your matches are to Dorcas Meador, daughter of Keziah Mobley.
Anyway I started searching for Mobley + Yorkshire + Maryland (because that is where Keziah's earliest American ancestor is found, according to one of those links.
I found this:
https://freepages.rootsweb.com/~mobleyb/genealogy/Family_History.html
1 Edward Moberley, b. WFT Est. 1531-1587, Yorkshire Co., England, d. WFT Est. 1569-1621,
m. WFT Est. 1555-1621 ________
1.1 William Moberley, b. WFT Est. 1569-1615, England, d. WFT Est. 1609-1659, England
1.1.1 Edward Moberley, b. WFT Est. 1609-1642, England, d. WFT Est. 1666-1701, England
1.1.1.1 William Moberley, b. 1665, England, d. WFT Est. 1699-1756
m. Phoebe Lovejoy, b. 1665, England, d. WFT Est. 1699-1760 [Phoebe is rumored to have been a "governess" for William Penn's family in PA., but no records remain to support this claim]
1.1.2 John Mobberly I, b. WFT Est. 1606-1635 in Cheshire, England, d. WFT Est. 1658-1697.
m. Abt. 1655 Elizabeth Woods, England, b. WFT Est. 1615-1638 in Cheshire, England , d. WFT Est. 1659-1709
1.1.2.1 John Moberley, Sr., b. Abt 1657, England, d. 1727, Maryland.
m. (1) Abt. 1686 Anne Biggers, England, b. Bet. 1658 - 1660, England, d. Bef. 1708, Maryland. [dau. of John Biggers, (Col.)]
m. (2) Bef. 1708 Elizabeth Robertson, b. WFT Est. 1655-1690, Prince George Co., MD, d. WFT Est. 1711-1750.
m. (3) 2/28/1716 Susannah Scaggs, Queens Parrish, Prince George Co., MD, b. WFT Est. 1657-1699, d. WFT Est 1719-1753.
1.1.2.1.1 William Mobberly, b. 1692/93, d. WFT Est. 1694-1783
1.1.2.1.2 Edward Mobberly, b. 1696, d. WFT Est. 1697-1786
note: The last man, Edward, is in the files about Keziah's ancestry.
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here is something on the Meador family, where they were before Anson Co, NC, and their connections with the Mobleys.
https://freepages.rootsweb.com/~theduffypapers/family/meador/1738_jason_meador.htm
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thoughts:
If the Meadors and Mobleys were that close to each other, and the Meadors were Quakers, then maybe the Mobleys were also. And maybe that is why they left England. I don't know, I didn't get that far.
None of those pages except for the Morleys at werelate.org have sources, so use with caution.
One of the pages, at werelate.org I think, got into the proof that Wiley Worley's wife Dorcas was the daughter of Thomas Meador and Keziah Mobley. I think a pretty strong point is the 1830 census of Dorcas' household with the 80 to 90 year old woman in it. Thomas died before 1826 - there are records in that year of his land going to a son and Keziah relinquishing rights to it.
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How far back have you traced your cousin's line in England? Does he/she have anyone named Mobley or Meador in their ancestry?
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I've never seen that numbering system before for a genealogy, but I think the line from Edward in Yorkshire to Edward b 1696 in Maryland is:
1. Edward Moberly (Yorkshire)
- 1.1 William
- 1.1.2 John (Cheshire) < - residence in Cheshire might be fiction. You'd know better than I if that makes sense. Another page said "maybe they were in Cheshire" and "maybe they were in Barbados" also.
- 1.1.2.1. John (1657, England - 1727, Maryland)
- 1.1.2.1.2 Edward Moberly b 1696, Maryland
and maybe Keziah is his daughter by his second wife
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Wow oldohio
Detective of the year
I LL have to go through this bit by bit but seems to compare well with what DNA matches have on their trees
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Military records:
I didn't see any reference to military service for Wiley Worley or his son Isaac. Wiley was born in 1775, so he wouldn't have been in the American Revolution. His father might have
been, if you figure out who he was. Isaac was born about 1804, so he would have been 57 when the American Civil War started..
Thomas Meador served in the military during the American revolution
In 1743, Thomas' father Jason Meador was fined for being a Quaker
and refusing to bear arms.
I have Wiley's parents as being Joseph John Worley 1727+ Barbara worrel 1749 again no Barbara's in descending branches
I've added to you quote
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THe connections to English Mobberly men seems too far in past to account for the dna match around 3rd cousin level
if the cader Worleys have been mixed up that would account for a generation closer
cader the uncle would have been youngest son of wiley bborn soon before his fathers death in 1824
what information did you find about him ?
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DNA thru lines are showing up to half 5th cousins descended from Wiley WORLEY thru sons Isaac + Willis
Via 3 different children of each
To me that is conclusive of the shared ancestor
Now it's a case of following the correct path .
Looks like strongest connections to 2 sons of Isaac ; Cader Powell + George
I've looked at the other Cader ..no sign of a middle name
Have added all his children to
BD DNA tree
Have shared this topic with a descendant of Cader Powell WORLEY
3 generations of their family have taken DNA tests . So I LL be able to do triangulations with more accuracy
Had assumed connection to Yorkshire branch is via a son of Wiley the patriarch of this branch but have to consider that it could be a child of Wiley himself which would make Cader Powell WORLEY a nephew not a half brother + bring the matches a generation closer
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5th cousins share a common gr gr gr gr grandparent. Do you know how far back that would be in their trees from the people in the US whom you match?
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Yes some are 4th great grand children like my cousin others are 1 generation closer or 1- 3 generations removed
Here's 1 example