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I have lost track of my great grandaunt Eliza Whiteman.
I am missing her exact birthday, the 1939 registry, her date of death. I was also wondering if she married a third time after the death of her 2nd husband.
(note: Not to waste peoples time I have tons of information on her birth family parents and sibling etc. I have also fleshed out her children's trees down to living people on her first marriage. Also a kid from her 2nd marriage down to living people.
Her name is Eliza Whiteman
birth registration
Birth
Dec 1891 • Smalley, Derbyshire, England
Name: WEIGHTMAN, ELIZA Mother's Maiden Surname: CRESSWELL GRO Reference: 1891 D Quarter in BELPER Volume 07B Page 558 (note alternative spelling of last name)
Her parents were Henry Whiteman and Alice Cresswell.
She married Sep 1908 Volume 7b page 1324 Marriages in Belper
Edward Cresswell
BIRTH OCT 1888 • Belper, Derbyshire, England
DEATH 18 SEP 1913 • Smalley Common, Derbyshire, England
They had three kids Sydne, Edith and Doris. Doris died young.
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Edward Cresswell died in 1913 in Doncaster Yorkshire. somehow, he worked in coal mines so likely something to do with that.
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Eliza Cresswell nee Whiteman married George Edwin Elliot 26 Sep 1914 in Stanley Common, Derbyshire, England (I can't find the volume and page number but I have the banns and photos)
I think they had a child
Albert Edwin Elliot
BIRTH 26 FEB 1920 • Shardlow, Derbyshire, England
DEATH APR 1978 • Dudley, West Midlands, England
the birth reg has mothers name as Whiteman rather than Cresswell
26 Feb 1920 • Shardlow, Derbyshire, England
Name Albert E Elliott Registration Date Apr 1920 Registration Quarter Apr-May-Jun Registration district Shardlow Inferred County Derbyshire Mother's Maiden Name Whiteman Volume Number 7b Page number 1199.
I trace Albert down to living people.
I have nothing about Eliza after this poing. so am looking for anything on her after 1920.
George Edwin Elliot died in Shardlow, Derbyshire, England in 1941
Volume 7b
Page 947
But I don't know if Eliza was still alive or with him???
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1939 registrar
Your Elliott family is in Shardlow, Derbyshire.
Looks as if there might have been another child born after Albert.
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There are 2 more Elliott children born in 1922 and 1924.
See FreeBMD
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I think your ELizabeth married a Mr Crookes
Possibly her death
Eliza Crookes
Death Age 87
Birth Date 17 Oct. 1891
Registration Date Jan. 1979
Registration district Derby
Inferred County Derbyshire
Volume 6
Page 1184
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Births Dec 1922
Whiteman Shardlow 7b 916
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Births Mar 1924
Whiteman Shardlow 7b 980
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MARRIAGE
Eliza Elliott
Spouse - Joseph Crookes
Registration Date Oct. 1942
Registration district Shardlow
Volume Number 7b
Page number 1189
Joseph Crookes is living with the Elliott family in 1939.
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Births Dec 1922
Elliott ---- Whiteman Shardlow 7b 916
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Births Mar 1924
Elliott ---- Whiteman Shardlow 7b 980
I thought it best not to name them just in case they are still living.
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thanks
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Joseph Crookes
Death Age 68
Birth Date abt 1897
Registration Date Jan. 1965
Registration district Shardlow
Inferred County Derbyshire
Volume 3a
Page 486
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You may have missed the first son ......
Births Jun 1917
Elliott Dennis A Whiteman Shardlow 7b 859
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and the first daughter ........
Name Annie Elliott
Registration Date 1915
Quarter of the Year Apr-May-Jun
Registration Place Belper, Derbyshire, England
Mother Whiteman
Volume 7b
Page 1236
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great...
I also just found a possible few more kids
Births Jun 1915
ELLIOTT, Annie Whiteman Belper 7b 1236
Births Jun 1917
Elliott Dennis A Whiteman Shardlow 7b 859
he died 21 March 1999 Derbyshire, England
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great...
I also just found a possible few more kids
Births Jun 1915
ELLIOTT, Annie Whiteman Belper 7b 1236
Births Jun 1917
Elliott Dennis A Whiteman Shardlow 7b 859
he died 21 March 1999 Derbyshire, England
Correct, as I previously posted for you.
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In 1921, they were at Hardys Row, Stanley Common, Stanley, Derbyshire.
A tree on Ancestry confirms that she married Joseph Crookes (1896-1965)
It also has pictures of Eliza, her first two husbands, and two children, Sydney and Edith Cresswell
Edith married William Vickers and they are probably the ones mentioned below:-
There are several memoriams in the Derbyshire newspapers after 1979:-
Derby Evening Telegraph, Monday, March 23, 1987
CROOKES, Eliza, March 22, 1979. -
Gone are the days we spent together,
But memories of you will last forever.
Sadly missed. - Bill, Edith and family
David
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Oh good so we now know where she was in 1921
As for their marriage, it took me a bit to find due to a spelling error.
Searching for Eliza Elliott married to Joseph Crookes his name is misspelled as Crockes
Elliott, Eliza Spouse Crockes Shardlow 7b 1189
but when one searches for Joseph Crookes married to Eliza Elliott it is all correct
Crookes, Joseph Spouse Elliott Shardlow 7b 1189
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So, I have Eliza more or less sorted.
I had a look at Eliza's sister Ethel
Ethel May Whiteman
B:20 Nov 1887 Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England
D:25 Sep 1978 Rushcliffe, Nottinghamshire, England
she married 3 Aug 1907 • Smalley, Derbyshire, England
to
Albert Henry Brown
B:11 Aug 1885 Horsley Woodhouse, Derbyshire, England
D:Oct 1949 Shardlow, Derbyshire, England
I'm not sure about the death of Ethel. Everyone has that death date. The death registry is under the name Whiteman rather than Brown. The birth year is also off by a bit, which doesn't always mean anything.
I was wondering if Ethel also remarried, and the death registry people attached to her is wrong.
I just found a living DNA match to Ethel and we are trying to figure this out, accurately.
She had twin sons
Harry Brown (Twins)
B:6 Jan 1908 Smalley, Derbyshire, England
D:22 Mar 1957 227 belper road, Stanley Common, Derbyshire, England
John Brown (Twin)
B:6 Jan 1908 Smalley, Derbyshire, England
D:Mar 1996 Ilkeston, Derbyshire, England
1911 census
County/Island Derbyshire
Country England
Street Address 45 Glendon Row Smalley Common Derbyshire
Marital Status Married
Registration District Number 436
Sub-registration district Horsley
ED, institution, or vessel 09
Piece 20962
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1939 registry
Line Number 30
Schedule Number 172
Sub Schedule Number 2
Enumeration District Rcwq
Borough Shardlow
Registration district 434;1
Inferred Spouse Albert H Brown
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questionable death registry that may or may not be right
Name Ethel Whiteman
Death Age 89
Birth Date 7 Jul 1889
Registration Date Jan 1979
Registration Quarter Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration district Rushcliffe
Inferred County Nottinghamshire
Volume 8
Page 1584
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This looks a possible death for Ethel May Brown in 1969
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVCN-J6NV
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Deaths Jun 1969
BROWN Ethel May Shardlow 3a 1039 (Born- 1887)
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thanks Neale1961 that is looks right