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Title: Looking for Ann Cairney or Keaney
Post by: PatPjn on Tuesday 23 April 24 16:11 BST (UK)
I'm looking for any help with tracing Ann Cairney who is my Great x3 grandmother, and was born in Workington in around 1815. She apparently had her first child, Patrick at the age of 13, and spent most of her life in Preston Quarter, Whitehaven before dying in 1873 in Co. Durham.
I've not been able to find any information about her birth or marriage as these are pre-1837. \any advice on how to get this information would be gratefully received.
Many thanks
Title: Re: Looking for Ann Cairney or Keaney
Post by: Milliepede on Wednesday 24 April 24 16:21 BST (UK)
You would need to find a baptism record from church records, same with a marriage if pre 1837. 

Who do you think she married and when?
Title: Re: Looking for Ann Cairney or Keaney
Post by: Tickettyboo on Wednesday 24 April 24 18:04 BST (UK)
I think we'd need a little more info to try to help

Was Cairney/ Keaney her married name or her birth name?
If it was her birth name what name was used for her death registration in 1873, Durham?
Her death record would likely show the name of her husband.


Boo
Title: Re: Looking for Ann Cairney or Keaney
Post by: Cas (stallc) on Wednesday 24 April 24 18:42 BST (UK)
Welcome to Rootschat Pat  :)

Anyone trying to help, think this is the family going by first post. Lots of variations on surname

1851 - Preston Quarter, Cumberland
Piece 2437, Folio 176, Page number 2

All b Workington, Cumberland, except Richard

Richard Mariner 42 Head Ireland
An Mariner   40   Wife
Patrick Mariner 21 Son
Denis Mariner 10 Son
James Mariner 2 Son

1841 -Allerdale above Derwent, Cumberland, transcribed Meler on A - both parents born out of county.

Cas
Title: Re: Looking for Ann Cairney or Keaney
Post by: CaroleW on Wednesday 24 April 24 19:45 BST (UK)
Son James birth was registered as Mariner - mmn Cairney
Title: Re: Looking for Ann Cairney or Keaney
Post by: Cas (stallc) on Wednesday 24 April 24 19:49 BST (UK)
1861 - Tanfield, Durham ?

Richard Marrens 59 Head Ireland
Ann Marrens 50 Wife Cumberland
James Marrens 11 Son "
Sarah A Marrens   6   Daughter "

MARINER, JAMES    mmn   CAIRNEY 
GRO Reference: 1848  S Quarter in WHITEHAVEN  Volume 25  Page 156

MERRIN, SARAH  ANN  mmn   CAIRNEY 
GRO Reference: 1854  J Quarter in WHITEHAVEN  Volume 10B  Page 486

Cas

Title: Re: Looking for Ann Cairney or Keaney
Post by: Cas (stallc) on Wednesday 24 April 24 20:27 BST (UK)
1871 Ann Marrin, wid & son James in Usworth, Durham

There is this 1881 that would put Ann death in 1885

Name   Ann Marron
Gender   Female
Death Age   72
Birth Date   1813
Death Date   abt 1885
Burial Date   27 Nov 1885
Burial Place   Chester Le Street, Durham, England
FHL Film Number   1894227
Reference ID   65

WILSON, JAMES    mmn   MARRON 
GRO Reference: 1880  D Quarter in CHESTER-LE-STREET  Volume 10A  Page

1881 - Usworth, Durham
Thomas Wilson 28 Head
Sarah A. Wilson   27   Wife, Whitehaven, Cumberland
Margaret A. Wilson 8 Daughter
Sarah A. Wilson 3 Daughter
James Wilson Son
Ann Morrow 70 Boarder Workington, Cumberland
Richard Morrow 27 Boarder, Whitehaven, Cumberland
John Morrow 26 Boarder "

John & Richard would fit as sons of Patrick from census.

Not locating a marriage or any baptisms for children. It is possible that Patrick was son of Richard only, as there is a large gap between first child & second.

Maybe try Scotland for marriage?

Cas

Title: Re: Looking for Ann Cairney or Keaney
Post by: trish1120 on Thursday 25 April 24 14:05 BST (UK)
Interestingly a Henry MARINER married a Mary CARNEY 24 Dec 1832 Priory Church of St Mary and St Bega, St Bees
(FreeREG)

1851 Mary Mariner is born c 1813 Workington

Cant see a bapt for Mary either
Title: Re: Looking for Ann Cairney or Keaney
Post by: trish1120 on Thursday 25 April 24 14:12 BST (UK)
F/S has a Burial  15 January 1814 Workington, JOHN, Son of PATRICK Carney

Sibling of Ann and Mary??

1841 in Workington we have;
Patrick Cranny 63 Blacksmith born Ireland
Jane Cranny 65 born in County
Title: Re: Looking for Ann Cairney or Keaney
Post by: PatPjn on Thursday 25 April 24 22:52 BST (UK)
You would need to find a baptism record from church records, same with a marriage if pre 1837. 

Who do you think she married and when?

Ann married a man called Richard Marrin (which has also been spelt as Marren, Morron, Marin or Marriner), but I can not find a marriage record for them. I have looked in Irish and Scottish records as well as English ones, and it would have predated Civil registration.
Title: Re: Looking for Ann Cairney or Keaney
Post by: PatPjn on Thursday 25 April 24 22:57 BST (UK)
I think we'd need a little more info to try to help

Was Cairney/ Keaney her married name or her birth name?
If it was her birth name what name was used for her death registration in 1873, Durham?
Her death record would likely show the name of her husband.


Boo

Hi
Cairney was her maiden name, her married name was Marrin (also spelt as Marren, Morran, Marin and Marriner). Her Husband predeceased her, and was named Richard. I haven't been able to find a marriage record for them. Ive checked Irish  and Scottish records and also looked for irregular marriages, without success
Title: Re: Looking for Ann Cairney or Keaney
Post by: PatPjn on Thursday 25 April 24 23:00 BST (UK)
Welcome to Rootschat Pat  :)

Anyone trying to help, think this is the family going by first post. Lots of variations on surname

1851 - Preston Quarter, Cumberland
Piece 2437, Folio 176, Page number 2

All b Workington, Cumberland, except Richard

Thank you for the welcome  :)
You're right, this is the family. There are loads of variations on the family name, and I'm trying (Unsuccessfully) to trace Richards birthplace


Richard Mariner 42 Head Ireland
An Mariner   40   Wife
Patrick Mariner 21 Son
Denis Mariner 10 Son
James Mariner 2 Son

1841 -Allerdale above Derwent, Cumberland, transcribed Meler on A - both parents born out of county.

Cas
Title: Re: Looking for Ann Cairney or Keaney
Post by: trish1120 on Saturday 27 April 24 10:54 BST (UK)
Have you read over what I have posted PatPjn?

As she named a Son Patrick could the info I posted by her sibling Mary and Parents?
Title: Re: Looking for Ann Cairney or Keaney
Post by: PatPjn on Saturday 27 April 24 21:27 BST (UK)
Son James birth was registered as Mariner - mmn Cairney

Yes, my ancestor was her daughter Sarah Ann with the same maiden name on her birth certificate
Title: Re: Looking for Ann Cairney or Keaney
Post by: PatPjn on Saturday 27 April 24 21:30 BST (UK)
Interestingly a Henry MARINER married a Mary CARNEY 24 Dec 1832 Priory Church of St Mary and St Bega, St Bees
(FreeREG)

1851 Mary Mariner is born c 1813 Workington

Cant see a bapt for Mary either

Interesting, I wonder if she was a sister. I also wonder if Henry was Richard's brother.
Thank you for that.
Title: Re: Looking for Ann Cairney or Keaney
Post by: PatPjn on Saturday 27 April 24 21:32 BST (UK)
F/S has a Burial  15 January 1814 Workington, JOHN, Son of PATRICK Carney

Sibling of Ann and Mary??

1841 in Workington we have;
Patrick Cranny 63 Blacksmith born Ireland
Jane Cranny 65 born in County

Thats fantastic, thank you. I'll see what I can find out with that branch and post it up.
Title: Re: Looking for Ann Cairney or Keaney
Post by: trish1120 on Sunday 28 April 24 09:34 BST (UK)
Yes it is possible as siblings sometimes married siblings :)

Title: Re: Looking for Ann Cairney or Keaney
Post by: trish1120 on Sunday 28 April 24 10:36 BST (UK)
Another possible.

Marriage
25 Oct 1812, Camerton St Peter, Camerton, Cumberland
Patrick CRANNEY to Jane LAMPSON
Patrick of Workington* and Jane of Camerton at time of Marriage.

A very hard family to trace and I feel for you.

Trish :)
Title: Re: Looking for Ann Cairney or Keaney
Post by: PatPjn on Sunday 28 April 24 14:38 BST (UK)
Another possible.

Marriage
25 Oct 1812, Camerton St Peter, Camerton, Cumberland
Patrick CRANNEY to Jane LAMPSON
Patrick of Workington* and Jane of Camerton at time of Marriage.

A very hard family to trace and I feel for you.

Trish :)
Thank you Trish, they're very hard to trace. Its taken me 20 years to get this far on this branch. Other branches were relatively straightforward.
Many thanks for you help